G. H. (Gman)
Dec-08-2019 12:15 PM
If King Ghidorah in chains is a thing I quit. Just going to focus on Ultraman and the older movies until something better comes along.
Dec-08-2019 12:23 PM
G. H. (Gman) Keeping my fingers crossed that that was a lie on the leaker's part, but if it is true, then well...I've seen stupider ideas. Doesn't mean it won't be weird at the very least, but still, I'm not gonna let it get to me too much.
Dec-08-2019 12:23 PM
We don't know the exact context for Ghidorah in chains. It could be as simple as Kevin is revived and put in chains.
Anyways, I think the G-fandom needed this little leak. The announcement of the delay hit like a damn bunker buster, but having this little snippet is sure to make fans feel a bit better.
Dec-08-2019 12:25 PM
Antoniozilla Something like the USS Argo from KOTM, perhaps?
TheGMan123, "We don't know the exact context for Ghidorah in chains. It could be as simple as Kevin is revived and put in chains."
Perhaps. And as I said above, it could just be that this new Ghidorah is weaker than the last one, and is thus easier to contain.
Dec-08-2019 12:41 PM
... It's so awesome but... how is that aircraft carrier supporting the weight of both of them? Also, that leak can't be true because they said Kong was three quarters of the size of Godzilla, and as you can see here, they seem to be at about similar sizes.
Dec-08-2019 12:42 PM
Titan of Water
Physics don't work like this either, and yet we let this one slide:
And yes, that pun was 100% intentional. I'm kind of cruel that way.
But yeah, I can let this one slide, but I hope some of the more outlandish sounding leaks aren't true.
Dec-08-2019 12:45 PM
... Why would you hurt me like this? XD
But yeah, I just hope they give some explanation so that this scene holds up.
Yes, I am just as cruel but with half the wit XD
Titan of Water
Dec-08-2019 12:48 PM
I just feel this movie needs to be really good to succeed. The late Showa Era has more of an excuse cause they had really good films before they started becoming less focused on good writing. But the Monsterverse is still in it’s young stage, and I feel it needs to really succeed before it can survive with mediocre writing.
Dec-08-2019 12:49 PM
TheLazyFish At a second glance, it kind of looks like Godzilla still has one foot in the water. Maybe the ship's listing to the side under his weight and Kong only looks bigger because he (and pardon the Star Wars reference) has the higher ground?
G. H. (Gman)
Dec-08-2019 12:49 PM
It could be a new super boat, ala, Gotengo. It could be a boat washed ashore they're crunching on. It could just be the port. We don't know the context yet.
But seeing how the Monsterverse is all about that fan service now, I'm hoping it's the return of the most durable superstructure in the entire franchise!
Dec-08-2019 12:50 PM
Titan of Water
Yeah, after they wasted the oxygen destroyer and Burning Godzilla in KOTM... they really need to write GVK well. I loved KOTM, but... if this series is to survive, they need to do GVK really well
Dec-08-2019 12:59 PM
TheLazyFish I dunno, I don't feel Burning Godzilla was wasted. If anything, I think the Chen sisters being the Shobijin of the MonsterVerse was an even bigger waste. And at least the Oxygen Destroyer actually had a part in the narrative.
Dec-08-2019 1:14 PM
MinecraftDinoKaiju There was a leak a while back that said, among other things (one of those things being that Godzilla and Kong would fight atop an aircraft carrier like they do in the footage), that there would be a scene of a new Ghidorah chained up in a cave like the dragon from The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad or something.
Given that it's supposed to be Ghidorah of all creatures, I think you can guess where our concerns lie.
Dec-08-2019 1:27 PM
That is one well made aircraft carrier if it can support two fully grown monsters fighting on it. I'm really excited now. Hopefully we'll get a trailer soon.
Dec-08-2019 1:35 PM
I like how this brief clip also showed a great comparison of how big Kong is in relation to Godzilla. The original leak said he was maybe around a head shorter than Godzilla, which is showcased well here.
Godzilla is straightening up, while Kong is tiptoeing a bit as he prepares to punch Godzilla. So where would this put Kong's height? Maybe about 320-350 feet tall?
Gomi: Ninja Monster
Dec-08-2019 1:59 PM
Well, I'm excited! Also yes, Godzilla is clearly straightening up, look at where his knee would be and the water falling off the base of his tail onto the carrier.
Dec-08-2019 2:10 PM
ALTERNATE THEORY: The two are on opposite sides of the boat, Godzilla is setting one foot onto it, and Kong will leap over it to deliver the punch. Kong only looks as tall as Goji due to perspective.
Dec-08-2019 2:18 PM
I mean, Burning Godzilla is basically Godzilla's ultimate form, and it has such weight to the name. ESPECIALLY when he died because of that form. But they used it in the SECOND movie. Look, I don't have a problem with them changing the form from it's original intentions, but I do have a problem they used it already. You know why? Because A. He had to use it against GHIDORAH, so god help him WHEN he fights something stronger and B. Since if the studios want to keep the fans interested, they have to raise the stakes with each film. Like how in Avengers they originally had to save the world, but in Endgame they had to save the WHOLE Universe, and now there's talks of them having to save the MULTIverse. People want to see NEW and more EXCITING stuff every film, and the best way to do that is to raise the stakes in every film. Hell, you can kinda even see that in the Heisei era. However, when you use Godzilla's most powerful form in the second movie, every creature afterwards is going to have to exceed Ghidorah's strength, or match Burning's strength if they want to keep things interesting. So then, they need to either REALLY supe up Godzilla, bring in Burning EVERY movie, or have the movies be less interesting to the main stream since the stakes would have gone down hill. Now, people are going to expect creatures stronger than Ghidorah, and if Godzilla could only beat Ghidorah with his Burning form... then things aren't going to look very well for Godzilla unless he can achieve his Burning form every movie, which is uninteresting and low stakes as hell. The writers kinda screwed themselves over. Think how everyone was pissed that they used Superman's death in the second movie to have Superman. Unlike in the comics, where it was a HUGE deal and everyone thought he's dead, everyone knew Supes was coming back because it was the second movie. Even if they didn't know he was coming back, they didn't have enough time to be attached to the character to worry about him, and now the stakes have to be raised every film to the point of SUPERMAN'S DEATH. In KOTM, it's similar. We don't get to feel how much more powerful Burning Godzilla is because he's only on screen for 2 minutes at the end of the second movie. Hell, we don't even have a great feel for Godzilla's strength normally, let alone BURNING Godzilla. And now that there have to be creatures WORSE than Ghidorah, it's not going to end well for Godzilla because he could barely handle Ghidorah.
Dec-08-2019 2:28 PM
I guess I can understand where you're coming from. Still love that scene, though, and I don't feel it was wasted. But I do understand where you're coming from.
And I'll freely admit, if I was writing the MonsterVerse, I would have saved Ghidorah for, like, the last movie in the series.
Although...there was something I saw a while back that kind of stuck out to me. Ghidorah can regenerate his body like a mythological hydra, right? From what I remember, the best way to kill a hydra is to burn it. Given the MonsterVerse's penchant for tying it's creatures back to ancient myths, I can't help but wonder if that's what they were trying to go for.
But whatever. I think we're drifting. Big dinosaur fights big monkey on a big boat. Let's talk about that. :)
Dec-08-2019 2:29 PM
And besides, the MonsterVerse probably isn't going to last that long anyway. I'm pretty sure the original plan only went up to Godzilla vs Kong.
Gomi: Ninja Monster
Dec-08-2019 3:06 PM
Friendly reminder that it took a nuke and Mothra sacrificing herself to instigate Burning mode in the MV. Mothra's dead and nukes aren't safe aboveground, so the stakes can still be real with smaller threats because Godzilla doesn't have his ace-in-the-hole to solve the problem. Also Ghidorah isn't as much of an invincible entity as we all like to think, he's had his twin tails handed to him every time he shows up, often twice in the same movie. Him showing up in the third installment isn't too far off from the Showa and Heisei series.
But yes, let's talk more about the clip at hand, I'd much rather do that. :P For example: his face looks a lot better here than the poster, the beard really seems to fit with the new design and the mouth doesn't seem as odd.
The Hooded Figure
Dec-08-2019 3:26 PM
Friendly reminder that it took a nuke and Mothra sacrificing herself to instigate Burning mode in the MV
Some people believe the former, others believe the latter. The film doesn’t really clarify on the matter.
Gomi: Ninja Monster
Dec-08-2019 3:39 PM
It never seemed too unclear to me, but that's neither here nor there, I accounted for that in my explanation. Point being, the circumstances surrounding Burning Godzilla mode were unique and replicating them every movie would be ridiculous, so in my opinion the stakes can still be real without it.
The Hooded Figure
Dec-08-2019 4:04 PM
If it were clear, only one of the instances would be accounted for; rather, both are intermixed. However, the fault does lie with the film’s lack of explanation.
As for the news, Kong’s looking good. I hope he is victorious against Godzilla.
Gomi: Ninja Monster
Dec-08-2019 4:22 PM
Personally the way I see it, there's no outcome that won't tick off a large portion of the fanbase. Either Kong wins and people get mad he won, Godzilla wins and people get mad he won, or they respect each other and people get mad they didn't have a definitive winner. So I'm planning on just sitting back and enjoying that this is happening in the first place, and letting whatever the outcome is be what it is, no sides for me.
Dec-08-2019 5:47 PM
You know, I've seen a lot of prominent individual G-fans being very vocal about how they don't like the connotations behind this clip potentially confirming the original Russian leak. I'm just here wondering why.
That stuff sounds AWESOME. Ghidorah in chains is incredible imagery, as is Godzilla and Kong going at it on a sunken aircraft carrier.
G. H. (Gman)
Dec-08-2019 5:58 PM
King Ghidorah shackled is great imagery if it's some sort of western dragon in a medieval movie or Game of Thrones or The Hobbit or something. But one of the things I've loved so much about King Ghidorah is that he was never treated like a dragon--And even when we saw him in "weaker" states he was never neutered (Mothra 3).
But the increasing tilt toward treating him that way feels very generic. And shackling Godzilla's arch-nemesis (which KotM only felt the need to emphasis every 10 minutes) who is supposedly the King of Terror with man made technology (especially chains - though I'm sure there's some catch to that -) feels horribly out of place for King Ghidorah.
But whatever. I don't particularly care for this interpretation of King Ghidorah to begin with. So I suppose they can nerf him how they want.
Dec-08-2019 6:11 PM
Godzilla is not that small. how are they both able to stand there? It would probably sink. And is it just me or does Kong actually look taller than the big G? LETS GO GODZILLA>
Dec-08-2019 6:24 PM
G. H. (Gman) If it's some kind of clone pseudo-Ghidorah, I'd feel a little better about it. But I agree, having him chained up like Ray Harryhausen's dragon from The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad just feels off.
I personally don't feel like they're trying to dumb him down to just a dragon, but I get where you're coming from.
Dec-08-2019 6:26 PM
Gojifan2007 "Godzilla is not that small. how are they both able to stand there? It would probably sink. And is it just me or does Kong actually look taller than the big G?"
I think it's the perspective. A lot of people are saying that Kong is about a head shorter than Godzilla. My personal theory is that Godzilla is beginning to climb up on one side of the carrier, while Kong leaps at him from the other side. But we won't know for sure until we see more footage.
Dec-08-2019 6:47 PM
I dunno, I guess I just don't get these kind of vibes.
Ghidorah (likely still as a head and neck) in chains is just plain cool and a neat image to have after establishing he was the devil before. The devil has been chained up, but he's still tempting humanity.
Dec-08-2019 6:51 PM
TheGMan123 Honestly, I kinda hope Ghidorah doesn't make a full comeback in GvK. I loved him in KOTM, but twice in a row feels repetitive.
There was some alleged leak a while back that proposed that the main villain of the movie would be a shapeshifting biomass made from an experiment with Ghidorah's DNA gone wrong. I honestly like that idea a lot better.
Titan of Water
Dec-08-2019 6:52 PM
TheGman123 they better have a good explation for that though. Ghidorah was five hundred something meters tall in the last movie, and I’m pretty sure he could easily break iron chains. So the only way it could work is that he hasn’t fully generated and is a midgit at the time.
Dec-08-2019 8:09 PM
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my Godzilla! I am sooooooo punked for this movie! I can’t believe that we have to wait eleven months until it comes out! My mom says Kong’s going to kick Godzilla’s butt, which I hope is not true.
Dec-09-2019 5:49 AM
Since people are apparently ready to drop this movie because this seems "Impossible"
Let's do some math.
Legendary confirmed that their Godzilla's tail is 550 feet and 4 inches long and based on what we can tell from films he has about 60ft between the outside of each of his feet.
The Argo, at best estimate, is only about 400 ft wide so whoever used that as an example of why this would work, I'm confused as to your logic.
The largest Known marine-based Aircraft Carriers; Nimitz-class carriers have a length of 1,092 roughly twice the length of Godzilla's tail and 252 ft wide, roughly 4 times as wide as Godzilla needs to stand.
So in size, they do fit.
So let's talk about the ship sinking, as appears to be the larger concern.
A Nimitz-Class Carrier displaces 106,300 t of water, Godzilla alone in MV weighs 99,634 t, meaning in order for a Nimitz-class not to sink Kong would have to weigh more than 6,666 t to sink it.
Kong only weighted 158 t in Skull Island and was 104ft Tall
In the footage, he appears to be roughly Godzilla Height, which comes out to 393 ft.
So for simplicity's sake, lets scale Kong to that.
A 393 ft Kong would weigh, 597 t roughly.
So this is NOT impossible physics wise, not for them to be STANDING on it at least.
Rather Godzilla Climbing on board, or them fighting on it, is feasible would be a lot more to math, but it IS feasible that they could be doing this on board a Nimitz-class Carrier and it stay afloat as they do so.
Dec-09-2019 6:07 AM
JJGYET "The Argo, at best estimate, is only about 400 ft wide so whoever used that as an example of why this would work, I'm confused as to your logic."
Guilty as charged. I was just kinda throwing out possible explanations there.
But I like you're analysis. I'm not the biggest expert on aircraft carriers, but it seems like you've got this down to a science. Nice job.
Dec-09-2019 6:14 AM
I appreciate that I did a stint in the Marine Corp and spent a lot of downtimes researching the feasibility of real-life military weaponry against TOHO Kaiju just because I am just like that. (we lose BTW)
So I saw this and immediately knew it was in my wheelhouse.
I will say I messed up slightly, Godzilla Needs closer to 200 ft in width to stand (my measure was his actual foot width oops) but that still is small enough for him to stand on the deck.
Dec-09-2019 9:00 AM
Well, you could go work for Legendary and get a job as a researcher who provides logical analyses into the impossible things they put into the movies and explain why it actually IS possible.
Anyways, thank you for allowing me to see that the scene actually is possible, because that makes it that much better!
Dec-09-2019 11:00 AM
Maybe, but if the Ghidorah in chains is real, and if they realized they messed up by using Godzilla's final form in the second movie, then it might just almost be the end of my hope for the Monsterverse.
And I will wait for them to prove me wrong.
Until then, see you in 2020, and Happy Holidays.
Dec-09-2019 4:31 PM
I appreciate @JJGYET's analysis of how physically possible it actually would be for Godzilla and Kong to both stand on the aircraft carrier. Nicely done!
Dec-10-2019 11:36 PM
Godzilla has always been over the top and pretty loose with physics and such, The message is consistent though. Personally, I pick apart scifi movies for different reasons but give Godzilla a pass. They fight on a ship. BFG. Godzilla should be enjoyed and due to its size and scope- I think these oversized characters are a good reason to have really good CGI.
Dec-11-2019 7:46 AM
@JJGYET Actually the 393 Kong would weight much more than that.
Square cube law "When an object undergoes a proportional increase in size its new surface area is proportional to the square of the multiplier and its new volume is proportional to the cube of the multiplier".
Kong is 393 feet tall. An average silverback gorila is 6 feet tall and the heaviest recorded wild gorilla registered weighting 267 kg /589 pounds.
393/6=65.5 x as tall, wide and deep as an average gorilla. A 65,5 fold increase in size means that Kong's weight would multiply 281,011 x (the cube of 65.5).
281,011 x 589 =165.515,479 pounds /75,076 tons. This would make Godzilla 1,32 x heavier. Also a nimitz class aircraft weights from 100,000 to 104,600 tons. So that aircraft carrier would sink with both titans on board.
Dec-11-2019 8:01 AM
Stefan94 That's assuming he really is 393 feet tall, which I still kind of doubt. The scene is in silhouette, and I'm still entertaining the possibility that he's jumping over the carrier from the side facing us, and Godzilla is on the other side raising one foot onto it.
Dec-11-2019 8:06 AM
#JurassicKaiju14 he has one feet behind him but it's still on the ground. I guess he let's one feet behind him to put all his body weight in the punch Tough Godzilla is hunched over as if he just got on the carrier.
Dec-11-2019 10:10 AM
Just because "one will fall" does not mean that it has to be a death scene for either monster. Godzilla brings balance... as established in the King Of The Monsters and 2014 films. So for him to be "killed" by Kong goes contrary to the overall theme of the monsterverse. Some want to see one kill the other... and that to me is morbid. In nature... it is survival of the fittest. Godzilla has survived way longer than Kong... and Kongs race was wiped out by skull crawlers... and those bad boys are no where near the caliber of Godzilla.
Logic tells me that - A. Kong will be used by man for nefarious purposes B. Godzilla will be lured to Skull island by stolen ORCA tech using Ghidorah's Alpha frequency. C. The two monsters will fight simply because it is in their nature to. D. Godzilla will not be prepared for the confrontation on Kong's home soil and lose the fight... but not die. E. Ghidorah's salvaged head could be wrapped in chains while it's DNA is altered and it becomes a hybrid titan that ultimately Kong and Godzilla will fight... and it will be under the control of Alan Jonah's team... which I suspect is a rogue element of MONARCH.
The scene in the teaser leak could very well be a docking platform for large vessels and not an aircraft carrier.
The rumor about a mechagodzilla would just be that... a rumor... and in my opinion... would make no sense at all given the amount of mechanical engineering required to achieve such a great feat... and it would not be very grounded in realism give what the monsterverse has tried to do thus far. (ARGO) That flying wing could be possible but a giant robot Godzilla... I don't think so. Also... there is room for more story telling regarding the hollow earth and the people of the past who worshipped the titans. That has yet to be explored. If the monsterverse is to continue... they have to keep Godzilla and Kong alive. I know that the "rights" expire after this movie... but not for Kong and the other Titans that are not TOHO properties. I could see future films featuring Kong... and maybe even Gamera (which would fit perfectly in the monsterverse).
That's my take on things thus far. Theory only... but a plausible one.
Dec-11-2019 10:17 AM
Guys, Kong notices that something has changed, and he doesn't like it. Ghidorah's call also awakens the Skull Crawlers. He doesn't escape from his island, because he doesn't want to be apart of the hunt. He doesn't care bout the other Titans and their homes, and he doesn't want them to come for his. He wants them to stay away from him.
Dec-11-2019 10:47 AM
https://www.scified.com/member/41420 Maybe because of this he hunts down any titan that comes remotely close to the island even if they mean no harm. What if Godzilla climbs the carrier just out of pure curiosity towards Kong, but Kong is the one that lands the first hit pissing off Godzilla?
Dec-11-2019 11:03 AM
I'm pretty sure that Kong is gonna be ticked that a whole bunch of new Titans are converging on Skull Island and disrupting the place's balance, and since Godzilla is the new Alpha, he'll take his quarrel to him.
The question nobody seems to be asking is why they're all going to Skull Island? All we know is that it's apparently some sort of major access point to the Hollow Earth, and that there's been some recent seismic activity going on there.