BCrockett94Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPOct-10-2013 10:36 PM
I didn't like most of the showa series. xD I liked a handful of them, but they mostly sucked in my opinion.
Anything with Mothra in it that isn't in the Millennium series.
Godzilla: Final Wars was perhaps the fourth worst Godzilla movie ever created, behind Godzilla v. The Sea Monster, Son of Godzilla, Godzilla's Revenge, and King Kong v Godzilla.
I don't hate Godzilla v. Hedorah, but I don't really like it that much either.
BigbyMothra LarvaeMember0 XPOct-11-2013 4:14 AM
Yeh I forgot about Final Wars, I felt like I was sucking a lemon during the whole film.
Durp004BaragonMember425 XPOct-11-2013 4:42 AM
Son of Godzilla, and GMK.
Son of Godzilla was a compilation of some of the most unoriginal, dumb Godzilla enemies ever. Minilla was introduced and every movie afterwards that he was him was brought down. He doesn't even look remotely close to godzilla. Even Godzilla's Revenge was better, it just compiled the fight scenes from that and a few other movies and threw out the dumb plot and useless characters. Granted it replaced it with a plot that was just as dumb, but there were more fight scenes with Godzilla so in my eyes it still comes out ahead.
GMK. Oh god where to start. Godzilla is the souls of Japanese soldiers for 1. WTF? And they're mad at modern Tokyo for either forgetting about them or modernizing don't remember which; either way INCREDIBLY stupid. The monsters Ghidorah and mothra don't fit as guardians as well as the original idea did. The fights were ALWAYS incredibly 1 sided. And to top it all off and 1 of the main problems I had with this is that a soldier drills into Godzilla, and gets out, then the dumb**** godzilla in the movie Kills himself with he beam, because somehow drilling from a blood vessel outward connects that wound with the throat. If the soldier say went inside and detonated his craft and maybe some bombs onboard near godzilla's brain, or heart, and that took him out it wouldn't be as bad, as it's relate to the original with some1 sacrificing themselves to kill godzilla but no soldier had to survive and they did it in the stupidest way possible
Just overall both are really bad Godzilla movies, I'dd have to go with Son of Godzilla being the worse 1 though simply because at least visually GMK looks good.
BCrockett94Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPOct-11-2013 8:25 AM
DURP004, he's not just Japanese souls. He's the collection of the souls of everyone who died during the Pacific Conflict of World War Two. Not that that matters much anyways, still pretty ridiculous. xD
Oh, and you're forgetting Ghidorah's "oh-look-you-didn't-kill-me-yet-even-though-I-blew-up-before-you're-eyes!" thing going on.
BCrockett94Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPOct-11-2013 8:31 AM
KaijuChris, it really reminded me of an unnecessary remake of Destroy All Monsters. The only thing that it really improved on were the visuals and slightly less boring acting. You got the Xileans, Ghidorah is the final opponent monster, Xileans control the monsters, I believe they use a space ship instead of the Atragon (Gotengo)... Well, I'm just gonna stop right there. Let's just say that a remake of DAM (Final Wars) was not very necessary, by any stretch of the imagination.
G. H. (Gman)GiganAdmin4820 XPOct-16-2013 3:20 AMTeam Ghidorah
[i]GMK[/i] the worst? Wow. Hardly. While I agree it's a little overrated by some fans I'd place [i]GMK[/i] as one of the best entries in the series behind the top Showa movies.
For starters, the "Godzilla is the souls of Japanese soldiers" is inaccurate. He's a manifestation of those lost during the Pacific War, both American and Japanese-- it never says simply one or the other.
Furthermore, this is not a new idea. Ishiro Honda himself even presumed the original Godzilla was the vengeful embodiment of those lost in the Pacific War. For decades film scholars and critics have assumed that was a symbolic reason for Godzilla's attack. The only thing that [i]GMK[/i] did was expand on that idea. I for one am glad they took the character and explored the mysticism behind him. It makes Godzilla that much more eerie and creepy. And most importantly it got away from all the pseudo-science that plagues that last three decades of the series.
Admittedly Mothra and King Ghidorah were monsters too popular for the underdog roles they were put in, but that was Toho's fault. (Angirus and Varan were the original monsters written for the movie.) Regardless, it did help the movie's success and Kaneko was mindful of Godzilla's 35 year relationship with King Ghidorah. While it was odd to see King Ghidorah in such a role, at the very least the rivalry between the two monsters was well built. King Ghidorah was easily the strongest of the guardian monsters and his new role gave the creature something different to do for the first time in three and a half decades. Mothra was pretty much the standard character she's always been, if not a little watered down: A mythical, guardian creature.
While I agree General Tachibana's sacrifice would've been far more effective than the ending we got, I like the idea of Godzilla being killed by his own biology. Although he is of mythical proportions it was made very clear earlier in the movie (by Isayama's ghost) that he is also an [i]animal[/i], and like all living creatures, can be killed. Thus the idea of damaging his body came full circle and Godzilla was defeated by his own biological imbalance.
It's not a perfect movie, but it got people talking differently about Godzilla-- What he means to the Japanese culture, pop culture and how relevant he is in a post-9/11 world. Remember this was mere months after the WTC was attacked. These are ideas that were talked about amongst critics and film professors when the movie was released. Conversation like this didn't spark for any of the other Millennium movies amongst such people.
But on topic to the worst of the worst, my vote is, easily, [i]Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla[/i].
I typically enjoy every Godzilla movie, but [i]Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla[/i] has so many script problems and ideas that never go anywhere I don't know where to start. I could fill a novel with the flaws in that movie.
A close second would be [i]Godzilla vs. Megalon[/i], but I'll take it over [i]vs. SpaceGodzilla[/i] since it has a more coherent script and is funny as hell.
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Durp004BaragonMember425 XPOct-16-2013 2:18 PM
Having him be vengeful souls would be fine if they didn't also go with the Radiated dinosaur. Having both, but not being clear on which it is was a dumb idea. If he's the souls leave it at that, if he's the radiated dinosaur then there. You can't throw both in the mix when they are 2 completely different things and then not be clear as to which he is.
There was so rivalry between Ghidorah and Godzilla in that move as Godzilla was always winning. There was never 1 second that it even seemed Ghidorah had the upper hand. Giving some1 a new role isn't necessarily a good idea if it doesn't work and this one didn't. Putting in 2 popular monsters who don't fit the plot over the originals is a very dumb idea from a story telling standpoint. Sure it made no money, but at the expense of 2 known monsters getting dragged through the mud, and put in roles they didn't fit.
This movie tried to do too many things. Throw in mysticism while not being clear about it. Throwing in the most overused Godzilla enemies in yet another movie despite plot and director views going against it, and trying to honor the original with a sacrifice without actually sacrificing the character and having Godzilla die in the stupidest way thus far, granted his hearts still beating in the end despite just being a heart and having no blood to direct, but just overall so many problems with this movie. If I saw 0 other Godzilla movies and watched it then I probably wouldn't have had as much of a problem with it but as some one that's seen all of them this was underwhelming especially as a movie that it hailed as 1 of the best.
Definitely not 1 of the best, the most you could argue it towards was maybe middle of the pack.
G. H. (Gman)GiganAdmin4820 XPOct-17-2013 3:09 AMTeam Ghidorah
[i]Having him be vengeful souls would be fine if they didn't also go with the Radiated dinosaur. Having both, but not being clear on which it is was a dumb idea. If he's the souls leave it at that, if he's the radiated dinosaur then there. You can't throw both in the mix when they are 2 completely different things and then not be clear as to which he is.[/i]
I don't really understand this logic. Godzilla IS a radiated dinosaur, but what he stands for and symbolizes is typically something different. This is like saying it's okay for Godzilla to only be a force of nature, but not a dinosaur. That doesn't make any sense. The issue is that Godzilla has always been used to represent more than what he is. Simply saying he should've only been a mutated dinosaur dumbs down the character. It's not fair to either fans or filmmakers to make him so one dimensional.
[i]There was so rivalry between Ghidorah and Godzilla in that move as Godzilla was always winning. There was never 1 second that it even seemed Ghidorah had the upper hand. Giving some1 a new role isn't necessarily a good idea if it doesn't work and this one didn't. Putting in 2 popular monsters who don't fit the plot over the originals is a very dumb idea from a story telling standpoint. Sure it made no money, but at the expense of 2 known monsters getting dragged through the mud, and put in roles they didn't fit.[/i]
Not true. When King Ghidorah gained the ability to fly he launched an energy blast that scarred Godzilla's neck and gave General Tachibana the edge to drill through. He also dragged Godzilla underwater and was smothering him until one of the Satsuma subs accidentally fired a missile into King Ghidorah's face. So there was easily screen time where King Ghidorah had an edge on Godzilla. Granted the roles may have not fit (although Mothra has always been a mystical creature), but Kaneko made the most of it by building King Ghidorah up as the top guardian beast. Besides, it's not the first time King Ghidorah has had a vastly different origin. The Heisei King Ghidorah and [i]Mothra 3[/i] King Ghidorah have very little in common with the Showa version. Not that the fight is what makes the rivalry so intense. King Ghidorah was the last of the beasts Godzilla took on and he kept coming back for more.
[i]This movie tried to do too many things. Throw in mysticism while not being clear about it. Throwing in the most overused Godzilla enemies in yet another movie despite plot and director views going against it, and trying to honor the original with a sacrifice without actually sacrificing the character and having Godzilla die in the stupidest way thus far, granted his hearts still beating in the end despite just being a heart and having no blood to direct, but just overall so many problems with this movie. If I saw 0 other Godzilla movies and watched it then I probably wouldn't have had as much of a problem with it but as some one that's seen all of them this was underwhelming especially as a movie that it hailed as 1 of the best.[/i]
I have to disagree with a lot of the final assessments here. While the movie has some flaws they're certainly not enough to overshadow what it does well. Granted Toho's decision to use their most popular monsters in this was crude, but hardly a deal breaker. I don't, however, believe Kaneko was ever trying to "honor" the original film with a sacrifice by General Tachibana. If that were the case he would've sacrificed him, otherwise there's nothing there to assume that was the original intent.
The thing is, as a person who has also seen the entire series, I felt [i]GMK[/i] was very refreshing. The Heisei series hasn't aged very well and those same stories were practically being revamped by the Millennium series which failed to be as creative as [i]GMK[/i]. [i]GMK[/i] took risks that [i]G2K[/i], [i]Megaguirus[/i] and the [i]Kiryu[/i] movies didn't. It dared to do things that might piss off fans at the expense of telling a fresh story in the series. It paid off. The movie stands out of the last 30 years of redundancy. So if it's only a "middle of the pack" movie, then it's pretty high in the middle.
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monsterx200Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPNov-08-2013 8:34 PM
Terror of Mechagodzilla, when Godzilla face two enemsis by himself
ZillaH8erforevaMothra LarvaeMember0 XPNov-17-2013 3:15 PM
Zillaa hands down, sorry for the language but **** America and their americanization of japanese movies
ZillaH8erforevaMothra LarvaeMember0 XPNov-17-2013 3:19 PM
Butut if we are not talking about Zilla then I would say Godzilla's Revenges. It's so bad that they had to re-use almost all the footage from the passed films in order to make a mess of a movie.
FordBrodyLover99Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPNov-17-2013 3:23 PM
I like you already...
On another note, i think the worst Godzilla movie ever (not counting the 98 movie) is...None of them. Yeah, there are those who are better than others but there is none that i really dislike...
123invadersMothra LarvaeMember0 XPOct-13-2014 2:12 PM
Godzilla's revenge: this is the only Godzilla movie I hate, a horrible story, annoying characters, and way WAY to much stock footage
Godzilla vs the smog monster: not horrible but really wierd and extreamly boring
Ebirah horror of the deep: good storyline but to king kongish for me
Godzilla Tokyo SOS: this movie was really generic in my opinion
Godzilla vs spacegodzilla: don't get me wrong I love spacegodzilla but the story was awful
Godzilla and Mothra the battle for earth: not bad but really....really boring
123invadersMothra LarvaeMember0 XPOct-13-2014 2:15 PM
And I know it dosen't really count bt I also hated the 1998 movie (I refuse to call it Godzilla)
Huge-BenBaragonMember330 XPOct-13-2014 2:16 PM
Easy the only worst godzilla movie out there is G98.
I would rather watch stock footage over G98 anyday of the week.
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