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Am I really the only one?

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Dec-19-2013 4:53 PM

I know that I'm something of a rarity in this, but I seriously starting to believe that I'm the only one who thinks that there should not be ANY Toho monsters aside from Godzilla in this new franchise that Legendary Pictures is producing.

I love the classic Toho monsters as much as any Godzilla fan, but they have their place: In their respective Toho movies.

This is a new franchise developed by Legendary Pictures. Toho has no part in the production save for owning the monster Godzilla. Toho as a company has not engaged in any kind of creative or executive decisions on the project nor are they involved with production. Yoshimitsu Banno and his team are on the project, but they are not from Toho. If anyone believes that Toho is helping create the project, they are wrong. Toho was only ever involved as far as to ensure that Godzilla looked like Godzilla and that he didn't turn out to be another iguana.

Again, respectfully to the Toho lineup, they don't belong in the American franchise as far as I'm concerned. Godzilla is more than enough, and I don't want to see any HD Computer Generated remakes of the old Toho classics. They are classics for a reason, because they hold up just fine exactly the way they are. Part of the charm of the old Godzilla films was the suitmation. This is a new era for Godzilla and it's an entirely new universe that Legendary has created around the creature. None of the old Toho monsters hold a place in it. This is Legendary's project, not Toho's.

If Toho wants to follow in Legendary's footsteps and make a CG Godzilla film featuring new and upgraded versions of their classics, then that's fine and I'd definitely support it.

But all this talk of "which Toho monsters should be in the film," or "which Toho monsters do you think should be in the film," or "what if this Toho monster is teased for a sequel," really needs to stop.

I'll say it again because too many people seem to have misinterpreted Toho's role here. This is not a Toho production and they are not a part of the production team for this film at all. This is Legenday's film, and they have not acquired the rights to any other Toho monsters. Unless they do, there will be no further Toho monsters in this film and that's exactly the way I think it should be and the way it should stay.

Am I really alone in thinking that Toho monsters don't belong in this franchise?

Let me know, because I'm as hardcore a Godzilla (and Toho monster lineup) fan as you can get, but I respect the fact that this is Legendary's production and their take on the creature of Godzilla. To me, Toho monsters outside of Godzilla himself have absolutely zero place in this new universe. If you disagree, then that's fine, but if you're going to disagree at least make your argument intelligent and don't just say "this monster should be in it because it's a fan favorite!" or "it should be in the movie because it's iconic like Godzilla," or some fanboy nonsense like that.

Thank you!

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15 Responses to Am I really the only one?

Daikaiju Danielle

Dec-19-2013 4:58 PM

Trust me, you are not the only one.

As much as I would absolutely LOVE to have Orga in the new Godzilla franchise, I know it wouldn't work out very well. I'd like to see some new, creative kaiju for once. :)


"Daddy's home- cake every night,"


Dec-19-2013 5:03 PM

It's because Godzilla fans like to hold their favorite monsters close to them, and I understand, I would LOVE to see some classic Toho monsters in this movie, but its not going to happen. Fans like to imagine how the movie would be with Toho monsters in it. It would be a nice treat.

G. H. (Gman) #TeamGhidorah

Dec-19-2013 6:15 PM

I think it depends on what monsters are used. Mutations that echo the "real creature" scenerio in the 1950s Toho movies might work: Rodan, Varan, Anguirus... But Mecha-Godzilla? Gigan? I don't think so. Even King Ghidorah, as much as I'd love to see him, probably wouldn't mesh well...

"It wouldn't be a true Godzilla film if you didn't touch upon those things. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a true Godzilla fan." - Mike Dougherty, fellow gatekeeper-elitist ;)


Dec-19-2013 6:23 PM

I definitely agree that the more 'realistic' Toho kaiju like Anguirus and Rodan would fit well into the new Godzilla universe, but securing the rights to such characters would be more expensive than it's worth. Most people don't know or care about Godzilla's pals. Paying the royalties to get them in the film just wouldn't be financially a wise decision.

godzilla3580 #TeamGhidorah

Dec-19-2013 6:31 PM

I would love to see some of the old Toho monters, but I honestly don't think it is going to happen. It would probably cost them a ton more money to use them, which, like DURATOK said, would be more expenive than it's worth. The only way I think they would use another Toho monster would be to put one in the very last movie (for the fans of course), and make absolutely sure it would work in the universe.

Ray Burrberry

Dec-19-2013 7:24 PM

You can't blame people for their desire to see some classic characters from the Toho universe in the new Legendary series. It's like when we go to the theater to see any superhero film and it's become common for teasers to show up in the end credits. It gets fans excited and talking about the next film. If you're a fan of Spider-Man for instance, you watch for clues that point to who the next villain will be. Just like Spider-Man has his gallery of supporting characters and villains, Godzilla has his. I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with whether other Toho monsters should be in the new series, but I can understand why many fans have a desire to see it happen. And something tells me that if Godzilla 2014 does really well financially and critically, Toho will consider giving permission for the use of other Toho monsters.  


Dec-19-2013 7:33 PM

if we dont get toho monsters in godzilla 2014, that is just fine. at least we will get new monsters


Dec-19-2013 8:09 PM

Well let's put it this way; Legendary spent from pre-production to mid-summer on the design of Godzilla himself to get to the design we see in the latest trailer, and after the abomination that was Zilla I reckon they wanna get the titular Kaiju right before even considering tampering with any other fan favorites. If any other classic Toho beasties were to make an appearance at all it wouldn't be 'til a sequel when they see how this movie does.


Dec-19-2013 8:50 PM

I think we should wait to see how this movie, and universe pans out before making claims that no other monster fits in, or demanding old monsters be returned.

Depending how this movie goes I could see either of the arguments having a strong backing


Dec-19-2013 10:11 PM

I honestly have to agree. I LOVE the toho monsters! However, I wanna see new monsters. This Godzilla is going in a serious and realistic senario. This movie is being filmed like a horror/disaster movie. It will be a new way to see Godzilla, yet closely to how he was in 54. Im a fan of Godzilla's enemys just like anyone else, but this isnt Pacific Rim. Bulding giant robots to fight giant monsters is just TOO childish of an idea, and wouldnt fit. We would not do that realisticly. AT ALL. So I couldn't see Mechagodzilla in this. Nor a walking pile of weird smog crap with an eye(Hedorah). And a space cyclops or three headed golden dragon. Those are CLASSIC monster ment for those CLASSIC films. Lets see some new ones for this new Godzilla! But thats just MY opinion(Which means nothing).


Dec-19-2013 11:08 PM

...but a person needs new experiences. They jar something deep inside, allowing him to grow. Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken = Bring on new monsters!

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Dec-20-2013 12:29 AM


Fucking LOVE "Dune". 


Dec-20-2013 1:40 AM

"Toho as a company has not engaged in any kind of creative or executive decisions.."

"Toho was only ever involved as far as to ensure that Godzilla looked like Godzilla and that he didn't turn out to be another iguana"

Some might call that a creative AND executive decision :)



Dec-20-2013 9:53 AM

I completely agree with the OP, and I've stated basically the same thing in a few different posts. This new franchise is going to be alot more realistic and mature than any of the Toho series ever were, and those old fan favorite kaijus wouldn't fit at all. Also throw in the fact that, as much as these characters were (and are) popular with the hardcore fans, the general movie-going public would see them as silly, and it would invite comparisons between the new franchise and the old Toho classics, which would be a problem for Legendary, in terms of marketing the new franchise...



Dec-22-2013 4:45 PM

Do you make Superman without Lex Luthor?  Batman without the joker?  When you do reboot inthis manor you run the risk of another 1998 Godzilla.  Too distent from theoriginal storyline to be legit.  The Hesi films  were realy a contimuation of the Showa as was the malinial series.  This new reboot is not, so a reworking of the other kiju form this universe makes sence.  If you are going to creat anew universe, why bother with Godzilla, just make a new monster.


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