Godzilla vs Slattern
Posted Jan-07-2014 9:01 AM
now, I know that is unfair to put a "Godzilla vs Something" in a Godzilla site, but well just wanna know what you think.
Heigh: 181 m. (est.)
Weight: 6,150 tons (est.)
Powers: Trio of triple-crowned tails and highly resilient, leathery reptilian scaling.
Heigh: 60-100 m
Weight: 25,000-50,000 tons
Powers: Atomic breath, nuclear pulse and magnetic powers.
so what do you say, who wins and why...
Posted Jan-07-2014 10:43 AM
a second nuke would likely have killed slattern, nuking godzilla can only make him stronger, and remember in g vs megaguirus he survived a black hole( i know some say it was a small one but there is no such thing, a singularity is a singularity no matter what, what they basically did was focus what i belive is called the event horizon). as far as sheer strength goes, godzilla definetly takes the cake, although he has less volume, he is much heavier, sometimes notably even heavier that what king of zombies said. seeing that godzilla has thrown around even heavier enemies than himself, stattern would be a rag doll to him.
king of the monsters
Posted Jan-07-2014 4:49 PM
Look at their weight difference, Slattern is almost twice the height of the tallest Godzilla and he weighs nowhere near his amount, that just shows how much more powerful Godzilla is compared to Slattern. In addition the nuke he survived was a pretty weak nuke if Gipsy Danger sincerely survived standing hundreds of meters from it.
Posted Jan-08-2014 12:46 AM
I'm pretty sure Slattern isn't 180 meters.
Specially since the jeagers themselves are only about 200 and some odd ft tall, slattern was bigger, but NOT THAT much bigger.
Posted Jan-08-2014 2:03 AM
@GODZILLAHIMSELF - There is zero evidence or proof of any kind to support your idea that Godzilla could survive a direct nuclear blast.
Being born of radiation fallout after the bombs go off is VERY different from surviving a direct nuclear blast. In fact, the difference is so substantial that it's laughable. Godzilla was theorized to have been a dinosaur exposed to the radiation let off by the atomic bombs during his initial conception. He was NEVER at ground zero or even anywhere near the original blast site as far as we know. Toho never specified where he was and how much radiation he was exposed to. Regardless of where or when, the fact remains that since he wasn't at ground zero he was not exposed to the full extent of the power of the bomb. If he had been, he'd have been vaporized and Godzilla would never have been born in the first place.
If Godzilla ever did get hit in the face with a nuke, there's no doubt in my mind that he'd be vaporized. Even Godzilla has limits, and being exposed to the kind of sheer kinetic power alone that a nuclear bomb possesses, not counting the other elements and factors involved, would completely annihilate a creature of Godzilla's size and weight, no question. As big as he is, and as much as we love him, I have no doubt that a direct nuclear blast would kill him instantly.
Godzilla may feed off radiation, but a nuke is so much more than just radiation. The force of the blast coupled with the extreme heat, air pressure, shockwave, and more would decimate Godzilla's biology and wipe him off the face of the earth.
The black hole didn't even hit him, otherwise he wouldn't have been there at all. Nothing escapes a black hole. That's a fact that even Godzilla cannot ignore. The black hole in Godzilla vs. Megaguirus missed him, plain and simple. Either that, or there was another Godzilla underground the whole time.
@INSTINCTIVEGIGAN - Weight has nothing whatsoever to do with physical power, so your comment is worthless. Also, Pacific Rim took a lot of liberties with reality regarding just about everything, but the nuclear element was the one where they stretched it the most. The most obvious theory behind Gypsy surviving is that the blast occurred underwater which is more dense than air and thus slowed not only the blast, but cushioned the shockwave. If that were a real situation, Gypsy would have been blasted to smitherines being that close, underwater or not. But it's a movie, and you can't kill off the heroes in a movie like Pacific Rim.
As far as the topic itself is actually concerned, and despite being a hardcore Godzilla fan my whole life, I actually have to vote Slattern in a head to head match barring special abilities.
Size, speed, and intelligence. We all know that Godzilla is smart, but he never came up with ambush tactics or had a hive mentality to draw on past experiences. If Godzilla fought with any other Kaiju from the Pacific Rim lore before he fought Slattern, then the big S would have all the info on how Godzilla moves and fights to easily dominate the match. Slattern might be lighter than Godzilla, but is does that really matter? Not unless Godzilla manages to grab onto him, and if he does then his arms are no longer free to defend him from Slatterns tails or arms, which are much longer and more dextrous than Godzillas.
Sad to say it, but when taking Godzilla's atomic breath out of the equation, Slattern easily wins the fight in my logical mind. In my fanboy mind, Godzilla wins no matter what, but realistically if the two creatures went at it and Godzilla fought with only his body and not his breath, I could easily see Slattern winning the fight with his speed and intelligence, not to mention his ability to learn from his Kaiju brethren's past experience against the big G.
Posted Jan-08-2014 3:03 AM
Why are you bringing Slattern's speed into this as a factor of the match? Slattern never left the water so while it appeared he was fairly mobile in that setting so is Godzilla. Granted the few scenes of him under water are hindered by the Special Effects budget toho had but the few cgi scenes and radar from subs coming into contact with him has shown underwater he's also decently fast.
Then there's the question of his size. Now I remember slattern being bigger, however that height has him at almost twice Jaeger size leaving me to guess that his height is including his tails.
I believe slatten is finally killed by Gipsy Danger's exhaust from it's nuclear power, so if that can burn through it I'm guessing the radioactive breath can do the same.
Posted Jan-08-2014 1:41 PM
@KYERO, stop trying to look so smart man, i havent seen it in a while but im pretty sure godzilla got nuked underwater in g vs king ghidorah. also godzilla has survived far worse than nukes, for example the black hole gun, hes also been dropped into a volcano and has swam through magma totally unharmed. plus dont forget the asteroid. also the weight does matter. imagine a 7 foot tall, but anorexic, man trying to fight mike tyson or maybe louis cyr( strongman with a ton of records, 5 foot 10 but 290 lbs). the anorexic dude is going to lose. also godzillas weight points to him being far more dense than slattern wich gives godzilla a major advantage regarding durability. also the second time they fired the black hole gun at godzilla it clearly did not miss, oh and nukes underwater are much deadlier because water is denser than air, think about it,if someone dropped a bucket filled with air on you vs a bucket of water, wich would hurt more. in conclusion, stop being such a know it all, even the most intelligent of us, wich i must admit you are among, are wrong at times.
king of the monsters
Posted Jan-08-2014 8:15 PM
To be honest here. It is very DIFFICULT to compare, why? Because there is little known of Slattern. He was only in the movie for 5 minutes. Hell, the game gave more detail to Slattern then the movie. All there is to Slattern is his size. He could not defeat Striker. At all. He was losing, then called for Scunnar to help. Besides his sheer size, he has electricity. Except it's alien-like. But thats only if you're including the games characteristics. When talking Godzilla, we have almost 60 years plus comic books and games to include with what he is capable of. Im not sure if Ive seen him ever get hit by a nuke. Even though Slattern did, you can't really compare who can take more damage. Slattern faced Striker, was losing, then he faced GD and was killed.
How many monsters has Godzilla faced? Including all those versions of Mecha Godzilla? The Pacific Rim monsters are nothing more than large beast(With the acception of those few who had a special ability) Godzilla faced King Gidorah, Space Godzilla, Detroya ect..Do you think Slattern could fight those? I highly doubt it but I could be wrong. Godzilla isnt just a big lizard. Id have to go with Godzilla, not because Im a fan. But because there really isnt anything unique or shocking about Slattern, except him being 600 ft tall, and there is so little known. A "Godzilla vs Gamera" would be much easier to argue.
Posted Jan-08-2014 11:46 PM
Thank you @Godzilla Himself, you pretty much stated everything I would mention. Weight surely does matter imo. The reason being that Godzilla is 4 times the weight of Slattern at the very least! That weight isn't just fat, it's a combination of that super thick "skin", very dense and strong muscles along with massive bones to hold up the structure, etc. I think Godzilla would more than likely just crush Slattern. Slattern couldn't handle his atomic breath nor his strength and combined weight. If Godzilla can pick up King Ghidorah (who is bigger than him) and throw him or even get him down to the ground like he has before, then Slattern would be like a ragdoll once he got ahold of him. Godzilla would for sure be able to take more of a beating that Slattern would. Slattern might have been heavily damaged but he was finished off by the turbine exhaust which I don't believe would be as strong as Godzilla's atomic breath. I'm sure Slattern would have some advantages and give Big G trouble in some areas but nothing Godzilla wouldn't overcome.
Posted Jan-09-2014 12:04 AM
"There is zero evidence or proof of any kind to support your idea that Godzilla could survive a direct nuclear blast."
-IDW Godzilla did survive a nuke at point blank range.
-FW Godzilla survived an asteroid impact which was at least as powerful as a large nuke.
"If Godzilla ever did get hit in the face with a nuke, there's no doubt in my mind that he'd be vaporized. Even Godzilla has limits, and being exposed to the kind of sheer kinetic power alone that a nuclear bomb possesses, not counting the other elements and factors involved, would completely annihilate a creature of Godzilla's size and weight, no question."
By that logic, Godzilla should be blown apart by tanks and missles, but he clearly possesses supernatural durabilty far beyond an ordinary animal of his size, which, as I showed above, is proven to be enough to survive a nuke in some incarnations. In fact, by that logic, Slattern should also have been vaporized by the nuke that hit him, since he isn't substantially larger than Godzilla. Also, Godzilla was originally inteded to be like a force of nature that mankind can't hope to stop, so it wouldn't make much sense if a weapon mankind possessed before he even came into existence could vaporize him.
"We all know that Godzilla is smart, but he never came up with ambush tactics..."
Why would you think Slattern came up with the plan to ambush the Jaegers? Obviously, it was the aliens behind the kaiju that organized it. Also, Godzilla is literally sentient in at least the Showa series.
"Slattern might be lighter than Godzilla, but is does that really matter? Not unless Godzilla manages to grab onto him, and if he does then his arms are no longer free to defend him from Slatterns tails or arms, which are much longer and more dextrous than Godzillas."
Why wouldn't Godzilla be able to grab Slattern? Slattern may be fast, assuming the fight takes place underwater, but Godzilla is a fast swimmer too, especially in Final Wars, where he swam to several different locations all across the world over the course of a few days. If Slattern tried to restrain Godzilla's arms with his tentacles, he would just use his incredible strength to get free. And once Godzilla gets a hold of Slattern, the smaller incarnations could throw him quite far or smash him into the ground repeatedly with little hope of Slattern breaking free, Heisei Godzilla would be thrashing him around like a ragdoll, and FW Godzilla would just throw him into outer space =-D
"...when taking Godzilla's atomic breath out of the equation, Slattern easily wins the fight in my logical mind."
Why would we take his atomic breath out of the equation?
Finally, in all of your post, you failed to adress how Slattern could actually hurt Godzilla, which he kinda has to do in order to defeat him. Unless you count the video game as canon, Slattern is a tooth & claw (& tentacle) monster, and the only purely physical attacks (i.e. not an energy beam or some kind of acid/chemical) that I can ever remember penetrating Godzilla's hide were Gigan's claws and buzzsaw and Mechagodzilla's dart... missile... things in the Showa series and piercing cables in the Heisei series, which were all edged weapons made from alien/futuristic ultra-strong alloys. Based on Slattern's fights with Striker Eureka and Gypsy Danger, there's nothing particularly powerful about his tentacles. Trying to strangle Godzilla wouldn't work, since, if he really needs to breathe at all (which I doubt), he must be capable of holding his breath for years at a time. Meanwhile, Godzilla has ridiculous strength in some incarnations and an Atomic Ray which is clearly more powerful than the exhaust from Gypsy Danger's reactor. The only way I could imagine Slattern winning is if he had the Electric Ray from the video game, since I've always assumed electricity is Godzilla's Achilles heel.
I know, longpost is long, but I can't think of a TL;DR version, sorry.
Posted Jan-09-2014 1:12 AM
Oh my gosh are you guys actually discussing this? Look at their weight difference despite Slattern's superior height, that just shows how much more powerful Godzilla is. Godzilla wins, he and all of Toho's other monsters are on a completely different level from Pacific Rim's kaiju.
@KYERO The weight difference is EVERYTHING. You think just cuz something's taller, it's more powerful! Extremely false, look at King Ghidorah around the same height as Slattern but he weighs around 50,000-70,000 tons and this is the guy that is classified as a planet destroyer.
And also you should know that in addition to surviving magma and asteroid-like impacts, Godzilla has actually been hit with a nuke in the first issue of "Godzilla: Kingdom of Monsters" and brushed it off; it's actually what gave him his atomic breath in the IDW comic book canon.
Also your theory on the nuke being weakened in water is nonsensical if you knew anything about how explosions work. An explosion in the air the atmosphere will compress and absorb some of the explosion's energy, but in water the energy is not only not cushioned but flows with the energy making it MORE powerful in water. So it's actually worse being IN the water than out. And if this nuke is legit, Gipsy Danger and Slattern would've been gone, just history. If you don't believe me, I give you the power of a nuke underwater:
Posted Mar-12-2014 4:27 AM
Slattern is Godzilla's bitch. If godzilla laid his hands on slattern it would be like peeling an onion with a chainsaw. Yes slattern may have survived a nuke(which is impossible since gibsy danger took him down with a sword) but Godzilla has survived a nuke,blackhole, a tempature very close to absolute zero, and a meteorite. And **** no slattern is not that big. When I whatched pacific rim the jeagers and kaiju's looked very small to me and Godzilla does a little bit too but I can at least say he's pretty ******* big.
KYERO@ Hey stop acting like your the smart one here cause your not. 90% of the time you are wrong and is very rare for you to even state something that is actually correct. And if you think a nuclear blast could kill Godzilla then you have not seen a godzilla film or even know who and what Godzilla is. The only thing that stands a chance against Godzilla is the oxegen destroyer or another monster.
Lets compare how th fight would go down slattern is an ant and godzilla is a nuclear bomb...who will win? Godzilla of course! Besides another reason why a nuke can't kill godzilla is because godzilla has a weopon thats 100 times more powerfull then a nuke.
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