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King Ghidorah's reputation

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godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-17-2014 5:44 AM

king ghidorah is in my opinion the best godzilla villian toho ever came up with, he is godzilla first true enemy and godzilla gets assistance to defeat him, (except gmk). king ghidorah is what got me into the franchise but i find that toho has represented king ghidorah very poorly after destory all monsters, godzilla vs gigan was his last appearence in the showa series godzilla movies, slightly overshadowed by gigan. gvskg1991 (my favourite ghidorah movie) is under mindcontrol again, and isn't resistant to godzilla atomic breath and head is blown off (mkg is cool though), GMK made ghidorah weaker than godzilla and a good guy (i still like it though) which is wha i heard the personality they used in king ghidorah in IDW's godzilla kingdom of monsters. g:fw slightly got it right with keizer ghidorah, but he is not 'king' ghidorah. i want a movie by either toho or (if likely) legendary where king ghidorah is the ultimate badass, pure evil, NOT under the influence of alien mindcontrol, has high intelligence(above human if possible) and being tougher than destroyah(i don't see destoryah as godzilla's toughest enemy). what do you guys think, should he be what i said or is ghidorah good as he is.

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Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPJan-17-2014 6:16 AM

King Ghidorah does not need to be in any godzilla movie for a while. If you count Keizer Ghidorah as the same(which i do) then Ghidorah has been in 7 Godzilla movies out of 28(29 if you count the American 1). That's a ridiculous number of movies for a monster to appear in besides the main character monster Godzilla. Right now if you had a pile of random Godzilla movies and you blindly picked 4 chances are 1 of the movies would have Ghidorah.

 He's been portrayed every way possible, alien, future monster, mecha, good guy, bad guy, a monster that needed a lot of monsters to take down, a monster that 1v1ed godzilla, and monster that needed help taking down Godzilla, was it basically a tag match. So he's been given every since way to look. He doesnt need to be portrayed in a different way because he's been portrayed in basically every way possible. He is almost always controlled, but his intelligence isn't really stupid, he's extremly tough throughout the showa, and even heisei series, and he destroys everything. He's as good as he's gonna get, and he doesnt need another chance to try to make him better

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-17-2014 8:47 AM

i never said king ghidorah was stupid, i simply said i wished he had high intelligence like spacegodzilla did (as many fans say). and i recognise that he has been in the most movies in the franchise beside (godzilla and mothra) compared to other monsters. my point was that in all his movies he isn't given the potential, for example in the heisei movies, he was tough against the atomic breath but got defeated because of his mindcontrol got broke and godzilla got the advantage, heisie ghidorah did probably destroy the most cities but, mg2 almost killed godzilla, spacegodzilla is said to be highly intelligent and very evil, destoryah was ruthless, evil and tough.

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPJan-17-2014 9:37 AM

I don't really see any problem with him getting defeated after the controls for him got destroyed. Space Godzilla got beaten after his tower got knocked down, mechaG destroyed when his plating got melted off. The point is before those things happened Ghidorah mechaG, and Spacegodzilla were all winning by a lot, then something happened that turned the tide in Godzilla's favor. Godzilla was getting wrecked by Ghidorah for most of that fight and the thing Ghidorah got that neither of the other monsters did was a round 2 were he came back and basically tied if not beat Godzillla as Mecha King Ghidorah. Overall I don't see any problem with his power in this movie. He was beating Godzilla in not just 1 fight but 2. 

I don't agree with this "potential" word you keep using as I said throughout most of the showa Godzilla needed help to beat him. Gigan is somwhat of an exception but at the end of that movie after Gigan ran away both Godzilla and Anguirus fought Ghirorah. In the heisei he was winning then something happened that turned the tides, but came back later on and beat him. GMK was never supposed to have Ghidorah but they subbed him into the script over Varan to make more money so that's the real reason he did so poorly in that 1. Then there's Final wars where he was once again winning until something turned the tide in Godzilla's favor.

 

The only really 1 sided fight throughout the whole series is Destroy All Monsters and, but every other time Ghidorah holds his own. There is no other monster besides maybe MechaG that always wrecks Godzilla to that extent when he's in a movie.

 

So should they make Ghidorah better? God no I know a lot of people will argue with me if I said Destroyah was Godzilla's most powerful oponent and the main other contender would be Ghidorah. To give him more would just put him leagues above every other monster and Godzilla for that matter. 

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-17-2014 9:45 AM

fair point, i just wanted to make a point im my opinion because of the ghidorah was made weak (from what i heard) a weak earth defender in G:KoM comics. i would count kiezer ghidorah in but his apperence and name make him a vairant to 'king' ghidorah, not the 'king' ghidorah. i understand that there are a lot more monsters that need a revamp,(ghidorah is not my #1) biollante i think 'needs' a comeback, then rodan and titanosaurus.

bklynfella

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-17-2014 12:01 PM

Durp - I hear you when you say Ghidorah has been done to death. You are absolutely right. But I damn sure would squeal like a little school girl if he showed up in the world that Edwards is creating....like if he was teased at the end of the film-like how the joker was teased at the end of batman begins.

There are some things that just make a godzilla film feel like a godzilla film to me-the design of g himself, the scale (massive destruction-not like 98), the music,...and some goddamn king ghidorah would make me feel right at home :) 

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4837 XPJan-17-2014 1:05 PMTeam Ghidorah

Durp has a point that King Ghidorah has been done in a lot of different ways, but I can't agree that he's reached the apex of his character and shouldn't be used anymore. We could make the same argument for Godzilla.

In the Batman comics many of his rogues gallary are used over and over and over to the point of redundancy, but they keep coming back.

I think giving King Ghidorah a fresh lease in a film would be an excellent idea. Toho seems to look at King Ghidorah as the Joker to Godzilla's Batman-- complete foils of one another no matter what side they stand on. I think one interesting place to focus on would be their rivalry in from a civilian point of view. It would interesting to look at the ramifications of the monsters intentionally trying to hunt one another down.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-17-2014 3:34 PM

that's a good point also gman

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPJan-17-2014 9:20 PM

I don't think it's fair comparing a movie franchise with 1 of a comic book due to the sheer number of issues a comic book comes out with a year. In about 3 years a comic book series can come out with as many issues as Godzilla has movies in 60 years. That being said of course characters will return and have a chance to be done in different ways, as the amount of issues released allow almost every villain to be completely explored rather than the Godzilla franchise where only Ghidorah and possibly MechaGodzilla getting different directions of character scope.

 

As I said he's been done every way, but you can't add to him too much without just making him an unstoppable machine that he basically is already. True you could explore the character from the human perspective, but Ghidorah himself would stay the say as a past incarnation. You could literally put almost any monster in that scenario and just give them the rivaly in that particular movie.  True Ghidorah would have a past, but it doesn't seem he directly hates Godzilla with such a passion he would track him down since everytime they've met he's either been under some type of control, or like in Ghidorah the Three-headed monster, or GMK that the other was just threatening one's territory. The characters are considered rivals because TOHO's forced it down our throat so much that Ghidorah has to come back every few movies to fight Godzilla because of character popularity, which once again is largely due to TOHO forcing Ghidorah on us. Any monster could be given a rivalry with Godzilla and shown through a human perspective, and unlike Ghidorah you could actually add to a different monster where Ghidorah would stay relatively the same.

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4837 XPJan-18-2014 2:26 AMTeam Ghidorah

Indeed comic books span beyond 28 interations, but the fact that Batman's rogues gallary keeps returning and writers continue to find new ways to use them actually supports the fact that they can still continue to do more with King Ghidorah. Damning an idea to having nowhere to go after impressive longevity is admiting that solid writing can't save it. I don't think that's true at all.

As for King Ghidorah's rivalry with Godzilla I think it was established very well in the 1960s. He was so popular that he returned immediately after his debut movie and was toted as the big baddie during the climax of Destroy All Monsters-- which, at the time, was suppose to be the final Godzilla movie.

Saying "Toho is responsible" for making them arch nemesis is true, but kind of a no brainer. DC has made the Joker Batman's arch nemesis. Paramount has made Khan Kirk's arch nemesis. Daiei has made Gyaos Gamera's arch nemesis. It's out of a combination of popularity and usage of these characters, no different from any other.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPJan-20-2014 3:01 AM

Ghidorah is a monster though, and the rogues are all people, thus it's easier to develop them. A monster can only go so far as it's thought process it much lower, so you can't really adapt, or show it growing as you could a person. You could make Ghidorah into more, hell you could do what I just said and actually give them general animosity towards eachother and a bloodlust rather than controllers want Godzilla out of the way, or "hey you're going to destroy the earth or Japan and I live there; can't let that happen."  but there's really no reason to since the same could be done for any monster. The original post wanted an Ghidorah with Destroyah's toughness and humanlike thoughts, and that's just stupid. As I said originally Ghidorah is 1 of, if not the strongest monster in the series, and to take him to new levels above that is unneeded.  

 

Sure you could develop him more, but why stress the writing team trying to come out with a new way to do Ghidorah that 's different from the 4 other ways(5 if you count his appearance in the mothra series) than go for a monster that could be redone and retooled so much easier?

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4837 XPJan-20-2014 12:17 PMTeam Ghidorah

Because it's a challenge and King Ghidorah is a popular character. Godzilla's been stretched and pull in different ways over the last 60 years I don't see why the same can't be done for the original juggernaut that took three monsters to defeat.

Like Godzilla there's a uniqueness to every monster that can be stretched and pulled to do different things, but the fact King Ghidorah's popularity has been like has since the 1960s says something for his appeal. Fans are drawn to him. Writers are drawn to him. Even the IDW comic writers seem to be doing a fine job with allowing him to reoccur over and over.

But saying King Ghidorah has "nowhere else to go" is an asinine comment, not just for him, but any monster. Like many half-decade old, beloved characters and villians writers have probably done a great deal of stretching with King Ghidorah, but perhaps that's not simply the point. Maybe it's also how differently these concepts can be done.

One example is that many screenwriters will say there's on six or seven different stories in every film you see. But it's not about coming up with something different, but rather the way you tell those six or seven different stories. I think when it comes down to it the same can be said for iconic characters-- King Ghidorah included.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPJan-21-2014 12:04 AM

It's not impossible just unnecessary. This goes back to my argument of, "he's popular because you can't not like him." He's been done so many different ways that if you hate 1 version wait 3 movies and you'll get a different 1. Oh not a fan of him being an alien monster that wanders around space destroying planets? Well how about a controlled monster. Not a fan of that either, well no problem how about futuristic genetically engineered pets that are taken back in time and to absorb the radiation Godzilla was exposed to. If that's not to your liking then he'll be an ancient Alien sealed away in the mothra series and a guardian of Japan in the next few years. Then finally be a new monster who has a great design(in my opinion of course) just to change into possibly the worst looking version of Ghidorah yet(once again my opinion) just to bring the character back for "the last installment".

 

It's not Ghidorah can't go any further as much as he's at a good point give some1 else a chance. The godzilla series is well known for having an extremely diverse and interesting stock of monsters, but throwing and odd 20 monsters out to bring back Ghidorah for the 8th time in a recycled, or unneedingly new way is foolish. Once again most iconic characters have at least sentient intelligence and a personality so retelling the story is fine as you can maybe concentrate more on specific aspects of each character when retelling, but that isn't as possibly with monsters who are animalistic in almost every depliction of them.

Kyero

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-21-2014 8:37 PM

Honestly Destoroyah IS Godzilla's toughest enemy. The fact that he took over half a dozen direct blasts of Godzilla's Red-Spiral Ray in close proximity and took minor damage whereas ever other enemy was destroyed outright in 3-4 blasts, speaks volumes for how powerful Destoroyah is. Physically speaking, he's not the biggest, but he is the most powerful.

Now, about King Ghidorah.

Honestly, I think he's overrated.

He's got a cool and unique design. He's got an interesting attack. He's got the longevity and popularity to have been reused multiple times throughout the franchise. However, those do not grant him the excuse to be "the best Godzilla enemy" of all time in my opinion as so many others seem to label him.

Is he badass? Yes.

Is he worth the investment? Yes.

Is he worth focusing on to this extent (as in this forum thread)? No.

Many of Godzilla's other foes/allies deserve attention on the same scale that Ghidorah does. Discounting the others just because of a personal love or attachment for Ghidorah is actually quite disrespectful to the rest of the Toho Kaiju cast.

For instance, let's count how many foes (as foes and not allies) only made it into one movie as primary antagonists (King Kong ((being an American monster)) and reused creatures in Final Wars excluded).

Ebirah

Hedorah

SpaceGodzilla

Destoroyah

Biollante

Megalon

Kamakuras

Kumonga

Gabara

Even though some of these monsters are not as popular or as beloved as others, many of them I believe hold more intrigue and potential than Ghidorah does. Ghidorah has been used multiple times, and not just in Godzilla movies. He was the main antagonist in the final Rebirth of Mothra movie as well, and was the pure evil creature that you wished him to be. He even had a couple of new abilities to boot.

Again, King Ghidorah is awesome. I'm not bashing him or saying that he isn't badss in any way. But I am saying that he is highly overrated and overappreciated. His use as a three headed Dragon from space are about all he has going for him, as he couldn't exist any other way. The Futurian excuse in the 1991 movie was forced and contrived, and I didn't like that origin story so I don't count it as a true possibility for his birth or conception in any way. Many of Godzilla's foes which only saw one main antagonistic appearance deserve more I think, with one or two exceptions.

To say that Ghidorah deserves all of this over the top attention, in my opinion, is a folly.

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4837 XPJan-22-2014 3:02 AMTeam Ghidorah

@Durp004

I can understand your personal preference to not see King Ghidorah anymore, but that still doesn't mean he can't (or won't) be taken in new directions again. The problem is, it's not simply Toho that continues to bring him back, but the audience. It's less about Toho doing different things with the character and more about box office reciepts.

Why do you think King Ghidorah was the first monster to be revamped in the Heisei series? vs. Biollante didn't perform at the box office like Toho had hoped. Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, on the other hand, knocked it out of the park. King Ghidorah was in the first movie of the Millennium series that revamped monsters as well. Why? Because Godzilla x Megaguirus was the least attended Godzilla movie since Godzilla vs. Megalon. GMK, on the other hand, was the highest grossing movie of the Millennium series. So saying Toho is being foolish to use him instead of other monsters is completely false. In fact, you could argue his popularity saved the series on a couple of occasions.

Toho has seen that King Ghidorah sells more tickets and draws a larger crowd. You have the fanbase to blame just as much as Toho at this point-- And honestly, I'm fine with it. As a huge King Ghidorah fan I welcome more iterations as most monsters don't interest me nearly as much.

I maintain that more can be done with him, like any monster granted. But out of a great number of other monsters he's one of the few that sparks true excitment. He was the classic foil to Godzilla. The first monster Godzilla needed help to defeat and his legacy has only grown since then-- no more unnaturally than Godzilla's, really. The reason we have so many movies with King Ghidorah is the same reason we have so many Godzilla movies.

@Kyero

I typically agree with you, but here I think your missing the better part of his legacy.

Fantastic powers and abilities don't necessarily add to the "best" of Godzilla's foes. Sure we could argue Destroyah was Godzilla's most powerful foe, but does that make him his greatest? Not in the least.

In fact I've found Destroyah overrated by a fanbase that cites universe established hijinks to argue his dominance. But the fact is the fight between Godzilla and Destroyah was never that riveting. We can say he's the most powerful because, "Godzilla was in his most powerful state," but it still played out like any other Heisei fight. Lots of beams, little movement, not much struggle. Same ole'. Same ole'. Not to mention Destroyah was overdesigned just enough for the suit actor to barely move...

But all of that is a moot point. Godzilla vs. Destroyah did nothing to establish an iconic character-monster. It was just another heavy Heisei era beast. When King Ghidorah was introduced in 1964 it gave audiences something very different. Honda pitted him against Toho's three mightest beasts and he was able to stand his ground. The destructive capabilities of Godzilla, Rodan and Mothra had already been introduced in their own movies. Godzilla himself had only fought monsters one-on-one at this point. (Barring the Mothra larva team-up.) So the fact that all three of these monster stars were needed to even out the playing field spoke worlds to the audience back then.

You also have to consider the debut movie as well. On top of King Ghidorah being a fantasical, violent monster, unlike any other seen at the time, the movie itself is often considered one of the series' best. It was critically well recieved and good word of mouth didn't hurt Ghidorah's introduction either.

This isn't an argument against other monsters, mind you. In a way I agree that other monsters should be equally appreciated. But some just haven't made the same impression. Or they've simply debuted in the wrong decade of the series.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-22-2014 9:50 AM

i agree with you gman,he's cool but i ever saw destroyah as the most powerful monster, he only withstood godzilla's beam at the height of his power, but he didn't even get close to killing him or overpowering him, godzilla kicked destroyah's ass more than destroyah did to godzilla. and nothing is wrong with re using ghidorah even with mechagodzilla, in godzilla vs king ghidorah, ghidorah was winning untill his control was severed and it stuned him, but destoryah had a weakness. ghidorah also works as godzilla greatest foe in that he has no weakness, is powerful and has high durability.

FordBrodyLover99

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-22-2014 10:05 AM

I dont get it when people say "done to death". He has been in alot of movies, or "done to death" as some say because he is a popular foe of Godzilla. And lets be honest, there is a reason.

Its like Batman and The Joker. The Joker is probably also the Batman villain thats been done mostly, but that doesnt mean we wouldnt want too see him in a new medium. 

This isnt another TOHO movie/Batman comic, where Ghidorah/The Joker could be featured, its an american remake/film adaption (think Burton here people).

And if he wasnt featured at some point, it would be a shame. It doesnt have to be in the first, second or third movie. He might not another movie, but he deserves it. And i would happily accept him.

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPJan-22-2014 11:00 AM
GMAN2887 if we truly are just going off box office and ticket sales for why Ghidorah is brought back over other monsters then Destroyah who's movie outdid Ghidorah's movie by quite a substantial amount when it came out should get a reboot as despite being a known character Ghidorah couldn't outclass Destroyah's movie in terms of ticket sales. Granted there's the fact it was known that was godzilla's supposed last movie so maybe that's not a fair comparison, but SpaceGodzilla, another new monster who still currently only has 1 movie under his belt also outdid Ghidorah in ticket sales. 
 
Point being other monsters have done just as well if not better and have still not seen a return to their characters, so while it's true he does well, it is evident other monsters also hold that potential, toho just doesn't give them their chance. 
 
As a side note i completely disagree with Destroyah not being an iconic character. Being created by the only true thing to kill Godzilla makes him much more suited for the role of "ulitmate rival" in my opinion than a dragon from space.

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-22-2014 11:05 AM

just remember ghidorah was the first true enemy (and still is) in the godzilla series, his appearence changed godzilla's agenda to anti hero and eventually the hero

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPJan-22-2014 11:24 AM

Ghidorah was the 4th monster to fight Godzilla. Definitely not the first true enemy unless you don't view enemies until Godzilla became a Good guy which I don't agree with. His first movie was extremely popular, HOWEVER it did have an incredible monster roster at the time of 3 bigtime already established monsters to bring in a crowd. To credit the success strictly to Ghidorah is completely wrong. Afterwards he's immediately brought back then returned again in Destroy all Monsters as the main antagonist, however at the time Ghidorah was the only space monster in the series and they weren't coming out with a new monster for what was supposed to be the final enstallment thus Ghidorah was the only monster that could fit the role of villain in that particular setting.

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-22-2014 11:30 AM

why do i call ghidorah godzilla's FIRST true enemy, because he only fought angirus and king kong once(angirus soon being classed as his true ally) mothra is a mix between his ally and enemy and he fought rodan and became allies with him in ghidorah's debut movie and ghidorah has always been godzilla's enemy since his debut, even becoming mothra's enemy in the rebirth of mothra 1(des ghidorah) and 3

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPJan-22-2014 11:45 AM

If by your logic true enemy means some1 he never allied with then Kong is his first true enemy. Saying only a true enemy is some1 who appears in various movies and always antagonistic narrows it down basically MechaG Ghidorah, and Maybe Gigan for the most part. I can see the point of allies, but once again Kong never allied with him and even though he only appeared in 1 movie that's simply because TOHO doesn't have rights to him as I guarantee if they did we'd have seen at least 1 more Godzilla vs Kong movie by this point. 

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-22-2014 11:54 AM

fuck king kong, you seriously are a ghidorah hater, im not going to just accept that ghidorah is either overrated or should not be in anymore movies and yes mecha g goes into that catagory, also king kong wasn't the antgonist nor the protaganist or the anti-hero/hero of the movie where as ghidorah in GtTHM was the true villian of the movie. ghidorah is a good monster in my opinion, not eveyone has to put destoryah as #1 in a top 10 godzilla monsters.

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPJan-22-2014 12:05 PM

King Kong was Godzilla's enemy, being a protagonist, antagonist, ect doesn't effect who his enemy is, an enemy is some1 who goes against something, and that's what Kong did. I don't know why you brought Destroyah up as I only referred to him 1 time before every1 else started talking about him, as I was mainly focused on Ghidorah not needing to be in any more movie, as I said. It's not hate, I actually would put monster Zero, and Godzilla vs King Ghidorah both in my top 10 favorite Godzilla movies of all time. I just think the character needs to be put aside so other monsters have a chance to build their fame and fan base instead of throwing them out with the idea Ghidorah is more popular and will make more money which ironically causes a cycle that makes it logical to always bring him back as he's constantly getting a fan base while other monsters don't get the chance to. 

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4837 XPJan-22-2014 12:13 PMTeam Ghidorah

@Durp004

I think you're still missing the point. It's not simply that King Ghidorah brought in mass ticket sales, it's that his popularity turned people on to both new series. Japanese attendence for Godzilla 1984 and Godzilla vs. Biollante were hardly par for the course. After vs. King Ghidorah was released, audiences clearly started paying more attention to the Heisei series.

In 1995 when Godzilla vs. Destroyah was released more attention was focused on Godzilla's death. Not Destroyah. When Toho markets a movie as the last of the series and toutes that Godzilla will die (as plastered on the poster) the thing audiences are going to see is the big payoff: His death. (And yet, vs. Destroyah still did less business than another movie with a very popular monster: Godzilla and Mothra: Battle for Earth.)

Destroyah was a wonderful idea for a monster, one that should be iconic, I agree. The problem is it was executed with the same type of style and attitude from the crew members as other Heisei monsters: A large, lurbing, overly stocky beast thay fires a beam. It didn't show audiences anything new. It didn't do anything that that SpaceGodzilla, Mecha-Godzilla or Biollante hadn't done-- a monster that sits there, looks massive and mostly shoots at Godzilla. Sure there's the multi-form trait, but nothing that we hadn't seen from Hedorah. Not to mention the Arregate Destroyahs crawling everywhere were done far superior in Gamera 2 the following year. (I mean Bandai toys? Really Toho?)

Meanwhile, King Ghidorah was the beast that first dwarfed Godzilla in both size and power, but he did more than brawl or beat away at Godzilla as seen in Raids Again, King Kong vs. Godzilla or Mothra vs. Godzilla. It was an invention by Eiji Tsuburya that was very different. A huge beast that was fast, chaotic and diligent at destroying cities quickly. Indeed, the roster of monsters did help his popularity, but that's part of the charm. How genius was it to pit three of Toho's toughest and most established franchises against one insane monster?

See, Destroyah has a great backstory, but that doesn't mean he was executed well enough to convince audiences how powerful he was. I've noticed here there's an argument that Godzilla was winning that battle most of the fight. I don't necessarily have a stance on it, but if the point is in contention amongst fans then it's clearly debatable.

Ghidorah: The Three-Headed Monster is not. It clearly took Toho's roster to beat King Ghidorah. And if anything, the next movie proved a stalemate is probable when Mothra isn't around to help.

That said, I do like Destroyah as I'm convinced all kaiju are unique in some way or another. I just think the style Kawikata brought him life with was uninteresting by this point. He could've been more. It's unfortunate most fans come to bat for Destroyah simply because of his backstory.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-22-2014 12:14 PM

well if i picked monsters beside ghidorah or even mothra who need to have more movies about are, #5. orga (make him a creature who can adapt to anything and minus godzilla dna in his being) #4 megalon(make him more better, cooler and less generic) #3. rodan (possbilby give him a new seperate movie) #2. gigan( the same reason as anyone else) #1. biollante, she was an absolute badass, had an original concept at the time,the g cell plot works with her and it would be awesome. 

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4837 XPJan-22-2014 12:25 PMTeam Ghidorah

I could get behind more Rodan. I've always found it odd that there was never a Godzilla vs Rodan movie, but I guess there wasn't much of a point of it after Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster. I suppose we can call that "Godzilla vs. Rodan: With a Twist to the Screenplay," it shows how innovative Toho was at the time. Giving us a simple Godzilla/Rodan match-up would've been too easy.

Gigan is another one, even though he's typically portrayed in a fairly dopey manner. IDW comics had a great backstory to Gigan, but Toho shot it down. It would've been cool to see the monster taken in that direction though.

The others I could take or leave. I don't dislike any of them, but as far as impressions go I don't have that much interest in seeing them again...

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-22-2014 12:28 PM

yeah rodan seem like a good choice and i respect your opinions on the others

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPJan-22-2014 12:46 PM

Don't get me wrong I see why Ghidorah is a good enemy and acknowledge he needed to be returned to. I enjoy most of his movies with the exception of GMK and possisbly final wars which I have a love hate relationship with. To exclude his after the first movie would take away some of the best entries in the entire series however, now after he has been returned to and redone a break is needed. As this goes back to the endless cycle of return to a popular monster because he's popular while leaving other monsters without the chance to build a following, or at least maintain a steady 1. Rodan is my personal favorite monster so I'm hoping, despite my stance of not returning to the overused monsters with Rodan being on the cusp of that catagory, that he's a monster brought back if they do return any toho monsters, but I wouldn't be disappointed if a different more underused monster took his place. Main point being not 1 of the big 3 that I like to refer to them as including Mothra, Ghidorah, and MechaG 

 

I personally love Destroyah's design. It was just unfortunate that conventional suit actor effects weren't able to utilize the character.

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJan-22-2014 12:55 PM

ok if toho made a new series we can include other monsters and have ghidorah in one movie(preferably the last one) if it would be a small series, if it is longer than the heiesi series then maybe two. the other movies of that series can have either new ones or monsters with small movie apperences like megalon, titanosaurs, biollante, altought this new series that toho may start may have new monsters or be influenced by popularity. but if ghidorah was in a new movie, i would want him as the ultimate bad guy, being so smart and evil and can have mind control over human (can) and can actually injure godzilla and push him to the limits, they could have godzilla have assitance from mothra who would be the polar opposite of ghidorah, thats just my ghidorah movie idea.

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4837 XPJan-22-2014 1:01 PMTeam Ghidorah

The one problem is a lot of these monsters have had decades upon decades to reach popularity. King Ghidorah was hit out of the blocks and that's why he's returned in so many. Ebirah? Not so much. Gigan? Well, enough to reuse immediately, but vs. Megalon kind of killed him for awhile. Most of the original Heisei monsters? Never iconic enough to return. Orga and Megaguirus? No one even cared.

And it's not necessarily about how many movies they've been in. The one that baffles me is Baragon. Apparently, in Japan, Baragon's popularity is astronomical and he's often used in Japanese pop culture. In Japan he's far more popular than Anguirus, who's been in more movies. The monster had one movie and a cameo before GMK. Go figure?

Not that I don't think there are monsters who shouldn't share some spotlight, but if they weren't super popular to begin with the chances of their return is quite low.

I guess my point is that monsters can't just be powerful and given interesting backstories then expected to be popular. They have to do something that shakes the audience in the movie and given something truley different to chew on. There's a wow factor with King Ghidorah and most fans that just doesn't exist with a lot of other monsters. I think it's less about giving other monsters a chance or more about how you present them-- Afterall, what if they're given more chances and the execution sucks? That's not very flattering for anyone.

As for Destroyah, I mostly like his design, but I do think the suitmation effects existed to do him better. But Kawikata was getting pretty lazy at this point in the series anyway. He's never been one to worry about mobility...

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