What if Legendary Goji is the most powerful incarnation of Godzilla yet?
Ok, I know this sounds ludicrous, but I'm just saying what if? Yes, from what he have seen of him, he is at least in the Top 10, but what if he is 1? We all agree his atomic breath isn't destructive like others, but what if it's so hot it can melt steel easily. What if he is durable enough to tank several Spiral Rays? What if he is string enough to lift his own bodyweight and more with ease. Yes it seems very, very far-fetched but what if this is revealed in future movies? If he is truly this powerful then Ghidorah really needs to step his game up.
"I must become someone else. I must become...something else!"
Biggest, yes. Strongest, unknown. It is clear that the 2014 incarnation was weakened during his fight with the Mutos. That means he wasn't able to use his ful strength and probably his Atomic Breath was weaker than it should have been. If he isn't as weakened in the next movie, we may see a more powerful Godzilla. I can't say that incarnation is the most powerful, given how strong DesuGoji, MireGoji and FinalGoji are. But I can agree that LengendaryGoji is somewhere in the Top 10.
Even with all the feats you listed other Godzilla's have done them. The first godzilla easily melted steel with his breath, heisei Godzilla lifted mechaGodzilla II who weighs almost twice legendary Goji. The only thing we can't say is tanking spiral ray level durability since no prior Godzilla has ever done that due to not being in the situation.
That being said due to the fact multiple monsters and going to be in the next movie, and the final boss of the trilogy is likely to be King Kong, I doubt we'll get a super powered Godzilla, along with the feats this one has shown. You can't have him almost lose to the mutos two monsters who use physical attacks and are both decently smaller than him and weigh less, then come out with Godzilla 2, and have him tossing Ghidorah around. It doesn't fit the character. This isn't meant to be a top tier powerhouse of the franchise, he's meant to be an aged protector, someone you want to root for not one that blasts through every bit of competition. Look at how that worked in Final Wars. Strongest Godzilla? Debatable, but not that fun to watch, outside of the comedy.
Could they have him be the strongest? Yes.....but it would make no sense and go against the character that's been established.
He may be the largest, but proportionately, he seems to be the weakest Godzilla. His breath attack seems to be pretty ineffective, and he's easy hurt by creatures smaller and weaker than himself.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing. This just means that they went for a more realistic tone, wheras the Japanese films sometimes had anime-levels of unrealistic action. Godzilla: Final Wars did this the most often, with Godzilla killing a dozen kaiju in the span of ten minutes with some seriously goofy premises.
The Legendary Godzilla is going to have have to step up his game big time to even be in the conversation.
Not sure why we're playing the "what if?" game here. I mean, how are we supposed to respond?
"What if he were the strongest?" Then I guess he would be the strongest... But he's not...
GODZILLA316 - Now this is a compelling premise. Hmm...if Edwards' Godzilla turns out to be the strongest incarnation to date (a possibility I feel is unlikely) and is officially confirmed as such by Toho, there will likely be quite a few fans whom are displeased. On the same token, there will be many fans whom are pleased. All things being equal, I believe I would be rather confused were Toho to admit that Edwards' Godzilla is the strongest of the lot. At any rate, this was a very fun topic to ponder! :)
I'm a bit confused by the 'Top 10' that's been thrown around here. There's Showa Godzilla, Heisei Godzilla, and then the various Millenium versions, which accounts for four versions - G2000 & GxMegaguirus, GMK, GxMG & GxMxMG, and Final Wars. If we include Legendary, that makes... Top 7? But I guess we have to include the 98' Zilla. And then there's the Hannah-Barbarah version. That's 8... Am I missing a Godzilla? Eh, I guess G'54 and G'55 are technically separate creatures, so that's 9. Which one am I missing?
The new Shin-Gojira doesn't count.
As far as many fans are saying, there's only 3 "powerful" Godzilla's.
1. Burning Godzilla
2. Heisei Godzilla. From 84-94
3. Final wars Godzilla 2004.
Gmk and 2000 are other top notches but, those 3 seem to be the most powerful to many.
As for Godzilla 2014 goes, he isn't. I mean, Durp004 nailed it completely.
I think what Wolfguy is getting at is that Godzilla316 said the 2014 incarnation is "at least in the top 10" which is kind of silly since we're hard pressed to actually list 10 incarnations.
I think many times in pass debates I have stated my views on G 14's power level. I even released a whole article explaining in a great detail why the MUTO's attacks phased him (mainly dealing with how they penetrated his skin, compared to how he was seemingly indestructible to blunt force).
Here is the article: Godzilla 2014 vs Heisei (excuse the bad grammar).
Pound for pound Godzilla 2014 can tank nearly an concussive blast, the reason the Muto's were able to deal such damage was due to the penetrating samurai sword like stabs that they consecutively. Nearly all of the other Godzilla's only faced either beam smashing, or buildings collapsing on them.
Godzilla 2014 faced two monsters nearly his size stabbing him from his neck, his body, everything! Burning Godzilla was in tremendous pain when Destoroyah sliced through him, and that was just one very powerful slice compared to G14 taking countless!
"...I hope they remember you."-Thanos
And as always GorillaGodzilla, you're proven wrong. Yeah sure Godzilla took on two monsters in 2014 but, in the showa which came first by the way, he fought two monsters as well. Like terror of mechagodzilla for example. Same for heisei with Godzilla vs. Mothra 92 when Battra and Mothra finally teamed up against Godzilla.
Burning Godzilla had one thing that 2014 doesn't. The super regenerative healing ability. Burning Godzilla' s spiral ray would have obliterated the Mutos with ease. Why? Take a look at 2014. His atomic breath was very similar to 54'. While burning Godzilla could wipe out everything in its path.
Not to mention, Godzilla even took on 3 monsters in Gmk and Tokyo SOS. Which Gmk he was pretty much unstoppable for the most part and Tokyo SOS he lost to two Mothra larvae and kiryu.
Now hold on there, GorillaGodzilla. I'm almost as big of an advocate for LegendaryGoji as you, but that's kinda not true. Yes, the MUTOs were concentrating their force into a smaller overall area, but it's not to the same degree as a stab, since it's still a blunt surface used to apply force. Just smaller for greater strength for the given surface area.
We have to remember that giant monsters don't play by ordinary laws of physics. In their world, given body mass is usually a determining factor in whether or not something will phase them. For example, whereas heat damage can be resisted, a building falling on top of a monster can actually budge them due to having actual mass being applied. It doesn't make as much sense from a physics standpoint, but that's often how it is with giant monsters.
It's like how a tank can be bulletproof, but ramming it with another similarly sized vehicle could budge or even dent it. Of course, when factoring in real physics where applicable, LegendaryGoji can actually be argued for quite readily. For example, a standard kiloton-range nuclear detonation carries huge amounts of both kinetic and thermal energy, plus all that atom-ripping fission stuff. Going by DEATH BATTLE ruling, taking into account the greatest feats as the upper limit of a character's given abilities, this squarely puts LegendaryGoji above pretty much all other incarnations of the character yet in terms of raw durability, unless we have confirmation otherwise.
"samurai sword like stabs that they consecutively."
See this is what grinds my gears. People just making up stuff. Stabs? Absolutely. "Samurai sword like stabs" unproven opinion at best.
"Nearly all of the other Godzilla's only faced either beam smashing, or buildings collapsing on them."
I guess Biollante's "SUPDER DUPDER [email protected]! SWOARD STABS OF JUST!CE!" through his hand and shoulder don't count? MechaGodzilla's Shock anchors literally built to slice through his armored hide? That probably has more in common with samurai swords considering they're... you know... thick, durable, slicing shards of metal.
"Burning Godzilla was in tremendous pain when Destoroyah sliced through him"
Yeah he looked like he was in a lot of "pain" while blowing Destoroyah's stomach open. Who was it groaning in agony while being pummeled again?
It's just tiresome. People are going to see what they want to see instead of owning up to what happens on screen and what the real intention is.
Godzilla 2014 - Mid-to-low tier. Fin.
"I guess Biollante's "SUPDER DUPDER [email protected]! SWOARD STABS OF JUST!CE!" through his hand and shoulder don't count? MechaGodzilla's Shock anchors literally built to slice through his armored hide? That probably has more in common with samurai swords considering they're... you know... thick, durable, slicing shards of metal."
Or Gigan, who has actual swords for hands and used them to crack Godzilla's head open.
As an aside, I've always felt that Gigan was Godzilla's most brutal and vicious foe. He's spilt a great deal of Godzilla's blood over the years!
With regards to Edwards' Godzilla: he is very powerful - not the most powerful, mind you, but he can hold his own within the mythology presented by Edwards. However, I have difficulty envisioning him standing up to the likes of Gigan and Biollante. Either of those monsters, in my opinion, would thrash Legendarys' Godzilla with gleeful impunity. With this as the case, I believe that Ghidotah will likely be somewhat, hmm, "muted" in power for the next chapter in Legendarys' series. Of course, this is all simple conjecture on my part. :)
Now that I think about it a little more, perhaps Legendary are building their Godzilla's power up to the point that he will eventually be comparable to other Godzilla incarnations. If that is the case, he might eventually be able to go toe-to-toe with Ghidotah and Gigan! However, as he stands now, Edwards' Godzilla, from I have seen, is in no way the strongest iteration.
So, what do you guys think about me arguing for LegendaryGoji's durability? Hopefully, you seriously consider the points I bring up. To add to my argument, I can't say with any amount of certainty that LegendaryGoji is the strongest physically, nor has the strongest atomic breath.
I can make a case, however, for him having high strength regardless. For example, with a single hand, he lifted and pushed back the female MUTO in their first engagement. One hand. That's an opponent around the size of Heisei/Final Wars Goji, easily pushed and lifted up with a single hand. Never mind that a single strong tail smack not only sent the male MUTO careening into a massive building, but also had enough force to dismember one of his arms.
Are these comparable to other iterations? Maybe, maybe not. But you can't deny they make a strong case for LegendaryGoji being stronger than first thought.
Huge-Ben, I'm not always proven wrong, and it would be a wrong thing to say that. Also pretty rude.
Once again, you didn't prove me wrong. Godzilla was never penetrated by a sword or sliced in any of those films, especially Godzilla vs Mothra 1992. That film was a true to heart beam-spammer battle, with hardly anything else. Of course the beams are more powerful in those films than in Godzilla 2014, but I'm saying that the reason Godzilla 2014 was getting beaten up so badly was because gigantic creatures with samurai sword like CLAWS were STABBING straight through him!
"...I hope they remember you."-Thanos
GorillaGodzilla, I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. He wasn't really getting stabbed, per se, more like poked really really hard. Sure, the MUTOs' claws had a small point of impact, thus increasing the amount of force applied within the given surface area, but it wasn't to the degree of stabbing, since we can see that those claws had a blunt surface of the force being applied. They weren't exactly going through like a hot knife through butter, but they were strong enough to cause small ruptures in the skin. Just not stabbing like you say, GorillaGodzilla.
Not sure how that is coming off rude but, whatever.
You're missing the points though. So, Godzilla got stabbed...it's not the first time. He's had mechagodzilla' s finger missiles stuck in him, had his head busted open and neck sliced through by gigan. Got his eye shot out by kumonga. Had his whole right hand beyond destroyed by the toxic and acid by Hedorah leaving only bone. Had his hand penetrated by Biollante. And as you said, got sliced through with Destoroyah' s horn. Yet in some of these films without human intervention, he still came back and kicked kaiju ass.
^And in all of those times he either was, bleeding profusely, yelling his loudest, and falling over. And that was from only getting hit one time.
Also G-Man123 I get your point.
"...I hope they remember you."-Thanos
And Legendary Godzilla wasn't crying out in pain and getting utterly pummeled? If not for Ford Brody's interference, it was shown that the Muto's had the clear upperhand and were about to kill Godzilla. And then, of course, he passes out after the fight. Simply, Legendary Godzilla's feats, objectively, simply aren't as impressive as other iterations of the character.
And so he pushed back the Fem-Muto. Tell me when he Gorilla Presses her and throws her across the city.
I swear to God if I hear 'Samurai Sword' one more time...
They weren't sword-like claws. The mutos walked on hooked claws. The teeny-tiny Hokmuto was hooking into Godzilla's flesh, and ripping them out.
Godzilla was getting tossed around by a creature half his size and a tenth his weight, and another 20m shorter than himself. Legendary Godzilla may have had some fun, brutal tactics, but his raw power simply doesn't hold up compared to the other incarnations.
I'm not saying he is the strongest, Final Wars takes that throne, but he isn't a "weak" Godzilla. He handled things that other Godzilla's haven't. He handled creatures that melee, and pierce through flesh visciously. He went to toe to toe with two creatures ganging up on him, non-stop piercing through him with their "hook-like" claws.
"...I hope they remember you."-Thanos
Not sure if final wars takes the throne as "strongest" either. Heisei Godzilla picked mechagodzilla up in Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 2 93' who weighs as much as both Mutos combined.
Yeah GorillaGodzilla, Godzilla was screaming in pain. So did 2014. In fact, Godzilla 2014 he has a building fall on top of him. The same as Godzilla 2000 which came first. He fought two monsters at the same time like terror of mechagodzilla 1975 which came decades before 2014 and yet Godzilla in both films was on the losing end unit human intervention. Godzilla 2014 also has a vapor like atomic breath like the 54' original and even Godzilla raids again 1955 with both of these two films coming out decades before 2014. 108 meters...8 meters taller than 100 meters of heisei Godzilla Yet heisei still came first.
2014 is a melee Godzilla just like from 1955-1975 of the showa Godzilla which of course is Godzilla raids again to terror of mechagodzilla. Even Godzilla 2014 bleed just a tiny bit from his neck or gills area when hit by the muto.
The most important factor here is that Godzilla in 2014 was hit by the atomic bomb and didn't reappear until 2014. Not to mention, Godzilla 2014 didn't retaliate against the military who were attacking him landing direct hits at point blank firing range when Godzilla in all Toho movies actually did retaliate except Godzilla 2000. It's almost funny how Godzilla 2000 and Godzilla 2014 have few things in common.
Ben I didn't see in anything of what you just said correlates or defeats what I said prior. I was saying that Godzilla 2014 took continuous blows that went through his hide, into his flesh, and were ripped out by meat-hooks. In terms of blunt force he is weaker than most Godzillas, most Godzillas tank Earth shattering blasts to be honest.
But hardly any of them have faced a two creatures that stab them, NON-STOP, in their weak points. And please, he didn't care about the millitary, he didn't even feel them until they shot a explosive round straight onto his gill.
"...I hope they remember you."-Thanos
Huge-Ben, we can't presume LegendaryGoji simply disappeared after the 1954 bombing. As Vivienne Graham states herself, it was nuclear testS (plural) that were actually attempts to kill him. It's just that the '54 bombing was the one referenced most prominently. Plus, LegendaryGoji's CGI model is unchanged from 1954 to 2014, meaning the bomb didn't actually do anything significant, and it was at point blank range to the face, to boot. That kind of durability far outstrips anything any other Godzilla iteration has survived, at the least.
Also, wolfguy, if you look closely, LegendaryGoji easily lifts the female MUTO as she tries to pounce on him. That's a monster close to HeiseiGoji's size, lifted like a sack with one arm. Even if it's unclear exactly what LegendaryGoji's upper strength limits, he's much stronger than you guys make him out to be.
"Ben I didn't see in anything of what you just said correlates or defeats what I said prior." You can't tell me I'm wrong with what I have stated GorillaGodzilla. Meat hook like hands...gigan came before the Mutos. Gigan again, busted Godzilla wide open on the head and even sliced through his neck GorillaGodzilla.
Even then, the Destoroyah crabs have piercing legs so does that not count either?
"We can't presume legendarygoji simply disappeared after the 1954 bombing." Yes we can. Little history lesson. Nuclear tests ended in the 50's by us Americans. Even Graham said "all those nuclear tests in the 50's..not tests." We don't see Godzilla until Hawaii. In the year 2014. So if he didn't disappear, what do you call that?
"That kind of durability far outstrips anything any other Godzilla iteration has survived, at the least." What about monster x in the asteroid that also hit Godzilla at point blank in final wars? Living in a active volcano not just in Godzilla vs. Biollante but, Godzilla vs. Mothra 92'. That doesn't count either?
The thing is, no other Godzilla incarnation has weak points except heisei due to the secondary brain. Saying he didn't feel anything from the missiles at the golden gate bridge isn't correct either because he was crying in pain before that one missile actually hit his gill. Notice any other Godzilla incarnation crying when being shot at? 2000 did because the missiles were new armor piercing missiles. Even then, Godzilla healed after each blow.
Do you have any proof to say the ones G 14 was hit by weren't armor proof? By God if a 400 foot monsters was walking around, the millitary would use everything they had on it.
Also, you aren't getting the point. I'm not saying that Godzilla has never been pierced before, but each time it was only once over a long period of time. When Gigan attacked Godzilla he bleed profusely, compared to G 14 who still bellowed in pain, but still survived. Godzilla 2014 took a lot more body piercing blows than any Godzilla has.
"...I hope they remember you."-Thanos
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