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Who Do You Think WON back in King Kong vs. Godzilla(1962)?

Who Do You Think WON back in King Kong vs. Godzilla(1962)?

riggzamortis86

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Posted Aug-21-2017 12:49 PM

Upon reading Adam Wingard's interview, this insert peaked my interest.

“I do want there to be a winner, the original film (King Kong vs. Godzilla [1962]) was very fun, but you feel a little let down that the movie doesn’t take a definitive stance. People are still debating now who won in that original movie, you know.

So I thought to ask you all who do you think won in that movie? Godzilla or King Kong, and why you thought they won.

YOU.....DUMBBELL!

61 Responses to Who Do You Think WON back in King Kong vs. Godzilla(1962)?

riggzamortis86

Aug-21-2017 1:03 PM

I have only seen the American version and seemed to me King Kong was able to swim away. So to me Kong won.

But then I thought to myself, why would Kong(a land dominant Kaiju) swim away from shore? To an island he has no clue to its location? Why not just swim back to Japans shore and take over as japans king? The answer to myself seemed pretty clear, he was afraid of Godzilla. In the movie, Kong retreated countless times from Godzilla. There are at least 2 scenes to back me up. He even hid from G after sliding down Mount Fuji! Some king he is. If this where a boxing ring Godzilla would have won with the 2 knock outs he had over Kong.

Kong is shown swimming away, Godzilla never found. My theory... he was engulfed by the earth quake at the end of the film. Swallowed up under the sea. He then re-emerges in Godzilla vs. Mothra, where? Under the ground at the construction site after a hurricane submerged the site under water. The Hurricane might of helped Godzilla re-emerge after the earth quake sent him under ground. So due to the earthquake getting in the way of the fight, Godzilla could not finish Kong off due to the earthquake intervening.

what do you guys think?  

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Sci-Fi King25

Aug-21-2017 1:27 PM

^That's a good theory. I think Kong escaped because he knew Godzilla could win and swam away before he was killed.

Forum signatures are always so hard to come up with...

 

riggzamortis86

Aug-21-2017 2:13 PM

^I'm glad I'm not the only one.

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Godzilla 2014 Himself

Aug-21-2017 2:38 PM

I actually really like that Theory and to me it makes the most sense. Why else would G just stop chasing Kong, especially since G's far superior than Kong in water. 

Huge-Ben

Aug-21-2017 3:26 PM

The Japanese version and the English version are the same ending. However, the Japanese version actually lets you hear godzilla roar at the end. Although the 1962 press material suggested Kong won, I can't help but question why Tomoyuki Tanaka would say it's a draw in 2 books produced a few years later. One of which is the "Perfect history of Toho special effects resource book" that I happen to own where Tomoyuki Tanaka declared a draw of the two. It doesn't make since that in the 62 press that Toho said Kong won but, why include Godzilla's roar at the end? Artistic view? Probably. A draw? Perhaps. Only thing I can think of is if perhaps Toho didn't want the truth to be revealed that it clearly was a draw. I can be totally wrong about this of course. I just find it baffling that in 2 books to my knowledge that Tomoyuki Tanaka declared a draw. Perhaps my "Unpublished material and resource book" produced by Tomoyuki Tanaka will explain more on this subject? 

While I don't actually see Kong as a winner, the point is in both versions he is the one that was last seen and was swimming back to his home, while Godzilla either disappeared or layed dormant after the battle. To me, I actually look at the film in it's original Japanese version as a draw. Only because godzilla roars. Can't remember if it's before or after Kong roars. The reason I say this is because why include it in the story of they instantly knew Kong would be the winner? I hope to find out more from the other Japanese books on Godzilla to find out more behind its production and such. 

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Kaiju-Man257

Aug-21-2017 4:04 PM

I always thought that Kong won, and Godzilla retreated. Hearing him roar at the end was what I thought them suggesting he will return one day.

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G. H. (Gman)

Aug-21-2017 4:33 PM

I'm sticking to the 1962 English press release. Kong won due to being a more popular, older and more respected cinematic creation at the time. Tanaka was just salty about it years later when Godzilla's popularity arguably eclipsed Kong's.

The King of the Monsters

Aug-21-2017 4:54 PM

I've always taken the roar at the end as being equivalent to both monsters "taking a bow" after the end of the movie. I don't think it's meant to be taken in the context of the story. I'm not sure why the U.S. version removed Godzilla's roar from this scene, but it might just have been to make Kong's victory more obvious.

I've always accepted Kong as the winner, and know that was Toho's original intent. Tanaka's fight record for Godzilla in his book is extremely generous, as for example he says his final battle with Biollante was a "victory," even though Godzilla retreated first and the fight was at best a draw. Kong is clearly presented as the victor after the battle in both versions of the film, and Godzilla's fate left ambiguous. Godzilla obviously didn't die, because he's alive and well in the next film. I know the result can be rationalized with Godzilla being amphibious, but I don't think that really matters. The film was made with the intent of presenting Kong as the winner, and it made sense at the time since Kong was more popular and the more sympathetic of the two monsters. 

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Godzilla 2014 Himself

Aug-21-2017 6:11 PM

To me the theory here is actually a really good one. I know Toho declared Kong the winner but honestly what riggzamortis86 says makes more sense and flows in terms of the timeline/storyline. It would make sense that Godzilla was trapped under the rubble from him and Kong falling, goes into a dormant state, and when the storm blows him on land in G vs Mothra and he re-awakens. 

G. H. (Gman)

Aug-21-2017 8:08 PM

^But if that's what really happened why didn't it appear onscreen? Why didn't we see Godzilla trapped under the rubble? Why wasn't it stated on-screen by characters or insinuated either in the film or follow ups?

We need to remember that these are extremely visual movies--Japanese film is a cinema that shows. If Godzilla was engulfed by debris and caught underground, Tsuburaya would have been the first to execute it in some form.

I think many theories just try to justify Godzilla's loss. They ignore the fact that the film would have shown something to indicate Godzilla swam off - or was buried - or beat Kong underwater and they went separate ways. There's just no on-screen evidence of it.

Plus, more importantly, many forget Godzilla wasn't exactly at the height of popularity back then. He had been absent for seven years after Raids Again underperformed. Toho didn't have any plans to bring Godzilla back before King Kong vs. Godzilla and since Kong was a more popular cinematic creature it made more sense for him to win. If anything, Toho owes the rest of Godzilla's career and popularity to Kong. Without the massive success of King Kong vs. Godzilla, Toho likely wouldn't have pursued a series with Godzilla.

Im Durp

Aug-21-2017 10:47 PM

Yeah I take Kong as the pretty clear winner of that movie. He came up and Godzilla didn't. Fan ideas and personal wants don't really overcome that.

Huge-Ben

Aug-22-2017 7:06 AM

While it is clear that Kong is indeed the winner, we have to look at what's happened within these years since 62. Godzilla has had more films than Kong has and perhaps has became more popular now. But that's only due to the 1962 film. 

Let's not forget the ending in Monster Zero is identical yet, for some reason people are still saying Ghidorah lost when it's very clear he is last seen while Rodan and Godzilla are not. Sure, he's flying back to outer space, but he is still the last one seen. 

Gman makes an excellent point. The fact is Kong vs Godzilla 62 does not acknowledge the events of Godzilla raids again, and Mothra vs Godzilla 64 does not acknowledged the events of Kong vs Godzilla 62. The Showa era is a very "loose" continuity. It even shows that with Ghidorah the 3 headed monster because the original Rodan from 56 revived in the volcano. 

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riggzamortis86

Aug-22-2017 7:15 AM

To G.H.(Gman), I respect your fountain of knowledge of such matters like these in terms of Godzilla fandom, but I must disagree with some of the statements you have provided.

"We need to remember that these are extremely visual movies--Japanese film is a cinema that shows. If Godzilla was engulfed by debris and caught underground, Tsuburaya would have been the first to execute it in some form."

If they wanted to show Kong win they could have shown him win just like my theory is just a fun theory. It is exactly what you say it is, a justification of why Godzilla (my hero) lost to what seemed like an easy win to another monster. But I think they(Honda, Tanaka) didn't want to see their brain child lose. They have a stake in that fight as well. But maybe subconsciously they continued the series along with Godzilla appearing out from underground of that site. They wanted to hint a wink to the audience about why Godzilla just suddenly rises from the ground near the sea.

Just like Godzilla appeared out of an iceberg in the beginning of KKvG. (Like I stated earlier I have never seen the original Japanese version and I am not aware of any dialogue that suggest that the characters even mention why Godzilla just appears out of an iceberg other that being originally trapped there from when "Raids Again" ended) So Im only basing my theories on what the movie tells me. Toho likes to keep up with some kind of continuity with the Godzilla movies (most of the time).

So back to my original point was that if they wanted to show kong physically beat Godzilla they would have shown it, just like my theory of they didn't want him to be seen engulfed by the earthquake they would have shown that. My theory just merely implies what I think the Honda and Tanaka might of felt.

They highly respect Kong, he was their muse and inspiration for Godzilla, but Im sure they didn't want their baby to get beaten by their inspiration and show their baby beat there inspiration. They gave Godzilla enough scenes where its clear he is superior to Kong, then gave Kong a trump card to fight back and look like he beat the bad guy. Because lets not forget, Godzilla was a bad guy. Kong was a sympathetic character, just like the original King Kong movie had. He was captured, brought to Japan against his will in order to be sponsored to sell medicine like some mascot, then used once again to fight Godzilla against his will in order to save Japan. They wanted the viewers to sympathize with Kong. So for Japanese viewers to be ok with Godzilla losing to an "American made monster", they made Kong a sad story.

But they gave a good enough implication of why Godzilla losing to a land monster who cannot breathe underwater. Then giving a wink to audiences in Godzilla vs Mothra when he rose from underground(kinda weird for Godzilla to just suddenly rise from underground, he is a sea monster. he would have shown up from the sea or lake, hence the wink from the previous film) I have not read these production notes that some of you have(and I would love to know titles of books or articles of so that I can keep up with some of the topics some of you know so much about so I seem like I know what Im talking about). I am simply reacting to what the director is showing me on and off the screen.

But that's why I love bringing these topics up, we as fans should always debate and hear one and other out. Im just a fan, and I just wish to share my fandom with all of you.

Kong won. Its right there for all to see, I just want to start a fun dialogue and perhaps pick all of your brains on the matter. Thank you all for participating.

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Huge-Ben

Aug-22-2017 9:24 AM

Don't want to get off topic with the "continuity" but a solid continuity is the heisei series. We've all come to accept that that series is a solid continuity, while the millennium films excluding the Kiryu saga are also a loose continuity and are each stand alone films. Toho during the Showa era didn't really apply much thought into a solid continuity. We don't know when King Kong vs Godzilla actually takes place as far as what year that is. The initial purpose was saying "we knew the creature wouldn't be trapped in there forever" when referring to the iceberg that is. While the ending of raids again takes place at an icy mountain, we know it's not the same as the drifting iceberg in King Kong vs Godzilla. It is heavily implicated that it is not the same. For all we do know, the Godzilla that appeared in King Kong vs Godzilla could be the same that appeared in 54. There's no real connection between Raids again and Kong vs Godzilla 62. 

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riggzamortis86

Aug-22-2017 10:50 AM

But the Godzilla in KKvG cant be the same from 54. The one in 54 died. I would think that its pretty clear what Honda wanted. The year KKvG was taking place in the present time. I know the Showa series has plenty of hiccups when it came to continuity. But if you look at where Godzilla begins and ends in the first 9 films. they are pretty close.

For these examples I will try to keep it simple and brief:

Gojira(1954) Godzilla dies. Bones in the water confirm it.

Godzilla Raids Again- New Godzilla emerges along with Anguirus. Godzilla gets trapped in ice.

King Kong Vs Godzilla - due to some warm temperatures, Godzilla is freed from an Iceberg{my fan theory is that it possibly broken off from the island he was trapped in from "Raids Again".} During fight with Kong, they fall into the water followed by an earthquake. Kong leaves, Godzilla's whereabouts are unknown. {This is where my theory gets more fun for everyone to follow}

Godzilla vs Mothra(1964)(This is the beginning of the trilogy in the showa series between this movie and Invasion of Astro Monster) - {my theory is that the hurricane caused Godzilla to be moved from one earthly tomb caused by the earthquake, to the construction site of the industrial area covered by the flood and debris in the beginning of the movie, we see mothra's egg being unearthed from infant island, why not Godzilla?}. Godzilla emerges from underground at the industrial construction site. At the end he is thwarted by the two infant mothra's, then is plunged into the sea cocooned in the kaiju's silk.

Ghidorah the 3 Headed Monster(1964)-We see Godzilla rise up from the ocean. Pretty much where we left off in the last movie. There are even some reoccurring characters from Godzilla vs Mothra. King Ghidorah is defeated, retreating to space. Godzilla is left with Rodan saying goodbye to their new found alliance with infant Mothra.

Invasion of Astro Monster(1965)-Ghidorah is on Planet X, "The Controller" wants the help of Godzilla and Rodan. We all know what happens. Then at the end, Ghidorah once again is  defeated retreating into space, leaving Godzilla and Rodan still underwater. No siting from either one of them other than they are both in the water.

Ebirah, Horror of the Deep- Godzilla is asleep buried in a mountain side. {I know what some of you are going to say. That this movie was originally intended for King kong to star in and fight Ebirah, but since it doesn't, here's where I have fun with my continued fan theory. Remember, just my fan theory to give the first 9 Godzilla movies some continuity. Since we don't see Godzilla rise from the ocean in the last film, I theorize that his unconscious body, beaten by Ghidorah, drifts along the sea bed. The storm that surrounds Ebirahs island swept him up into the mountain and buried him} After he battles Ebirah and Mothra, sensing that the island is going to blow up jumps from the island and swims away unscathed.

Son Of Godzilla - we see Godzilla swimming to an island that holds an egg containing a little baby Godzilla.{My theory goes along with the last scene from the E,HOTD. Where we just simply seeing him swim away. My theory is that he is still traveling from the Red Bamboo island, and sensed Minya signal}.Goro makes an interesting comment on the inhabitance of the island. He jokes and says "This is an island of Monsters". We wont see that joke become reality until we get into the next installment. At the end we see Godzilla and Minya holding eachother in the snow. Going to hibernate.

Destroy All Monsters - {this is where my fan theory gets shaky. but try and follow me.} The year is 1999, Earth gathers all of its monsters and places them all in one place, Monsterland. Where we see Godzilla and Minya(still a toddler) trapped on the island. {my theory is that since Godzilla and Minya are hibernating together, that made them easy targets to become incarcerated and relocated to Monsterland.}

After this is All Monsters Attack. Where we see a boy dreaming of Monster Island. Cant back my theory behind this horse. Then the 70's Godzilla movies start and we see 2 sequels happen. Godzilla vs Gigan then Megalon. Then Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla and Terror Of Mechagodzilla. If you ask me there's plenty of continuity to be found in the showa series, if your looking for that in a series about giant monsters fighting each other.

 Once again I must again just say that this is my own theory growing up watching these movies. now I share it all with you to debate and react.

 

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G. H. (Gman)

Aug-22-2017 11:28 AM

The thing is Godzilla was no more Toho, Tsuburaya's, Honda's or Tanaka's "baby" than Rodan, Mothra, Varan, etc. Honda had only touched Godzilla once up to this point, he had been knee deep in stuff like Rodan, The Mysterians, Battle in Outer Space, The H-Man, etc. Returning to Godzilla was likely as far from his mind as it was in Toho's. The only reason Godzilla returned two years after King Kong vs. Godzilla was because the movie did so well. Toho eventually realized they could make bank by pitting their own popular monsters against each other, thus Mothra vs. Godzilla was born.

Everything I've read about Tsuburaya, especially at that point, claims he had the utmost reverence for Kong. As for Godzilla, it could've been Varan or Mothra in that role--Tsuburaya was excited to play with the creature whose movie helped inspire not just Godzilla, but Tsuburaya's entire special effects career. (It's just a shame that Tsuburaya had no love for the Kong costume.)

Again, we have to consider the times. Godzilla was no more their "baby" or franchise material than the other movies Honda and Tsuburaya had been churning out. Kong inspired Godzilla in 1954 and then Kong's marquee value helped make Godzilla a superstar in 1962. It only makes sense he would win.

riggzamortis86

Aug-22-2017 12:11 PM

Hey it makes sense, keeping in mind the time you mentioned about Godzilla's place at the time. I just make comments about what is shown to me on the screen. this was just a fun theory to run with everybody.

But yes, what I saw on screen was Kong winning. Plain as day. I must admit my theories are biased. But to me as a fan this was my way of looking in and making sense of it all. But no theory can fight the facts of what is portrayed on screen.

but its still a fun topic to ask opinions from everyone and debate. im trying to keep in topic of what Wingard said about the movie outcome is a debate? I didn't realize it was a debate. I thought it was pretty clear. so I thought about asking everyone and throwing this old theory of mine out there for food for thought.

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Godzilla 2014 Himself

Aug-22-2017 12:41 PM

I understand Kong was definitely inspiration for Godzilla, but I think the credit should really be going to the Rhedosaurus. That thing and it's entire story heavily influenced Godzilla's creation. 

riggzamortis86

Aug-22-2017 1:10 PM

Oh you mean "Beast from 20,000 Fathoms?" That thing was noted to be a huge influence. It was made just like King Kong with Dynamation right? And had a similar theme. Yeah that came out in June 1953. One year and 6 months before Gojira did. I heard that from one of the audio commentaries over Gojira that Tanaka did mention that movie as an influence. I'm sure others here can give better details of that comparison.

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Godzilla: King of the Monsters

Aug-22-2017 2:15 PM

I know King Kong is the winner and that Toho stated that as such, but of course being the Godzilla fan as I am, I lean towards Godzilla as the victor, but still though, I don't mind King Kong being declared as the winner. They both gave a very hard fought, good battle with one-another, so I was fine with everything that happened in the film. But after giving some thought to their battle with one-another and after they fell down the cliff, I'd like to look at it as neither a victory nor loss for the both of them, but rather it being a tie between the two.

I don't believe that King Kong was ever afraid of Godzilla under any circumstance in the film.
After he slid down, he went up the hill and took cover underneath the large rocks so that way he can attack Godzilla with a plan rather than just charging into the fight. Kong kept his distance from Godzilla at certain times because I believe that Kong knew that he couldn't take on Godzilla straightforward for such a long period of time, but he still proved he could handle Godzilla when fighting head on with him.

Before Kong acquired his powers, Godzilla surely would have killed him. Kong was at Godzilla's mercy, but Godzilla wasn't going to stop. But after Kong acquired the powers, he got his chance to be able to fight again and not lose just yet. As far as when they both fell into the ocean, I know that Kong is the one that's seen swimming away, but I see it as rather that Kong didn't see the need to have to fight Godzilla anymore. Could Godzilla have swam up and continued the fight with Kong? Maybe, maybe not, but I feel also that Godzilla didn't see the need to have to fight King Kong either. They both gave a good fight and in the end, they'll continue on with their lives.

Huge-Ben

Aug-22-2017 3:14 PM

@Riggzamortis86,

"But the Godzilla in KKVG can't be the same from 54." Yes, it can. It didn't stop Toho in G2k and Megaguirus, along with final wars to say it is the same as the 54.

"Godzilla raids again- New Godzilla emerges along with anguirus. Godzilla gets trapped in ice." All correct, however, Godzilla is trapped in an icy mountain that is called Kamiko Island. It's an island located near Kurashima island heading towards North Korea in the Japan sea. The original Japanese version confirms this.

"King Kong vs Godzilla- Godzilla emerges from the icu tomb." also correct but, in the Japanese version Godzilla is located near the North in the Antarctic. Far away from where raids again ends. 

"Godzilla vs Mothra 1964 is the beginning of the trilogy that leads to monster zero. Godzilla is plunged into the sea." Some what correct. Godzilla is plunged into the sea near Iwa Island. He reappears in Ghidorah 64 in the Pacific ocean. However, monster zero did not acknowledge Mothra. "King Ghidorah was driven from earth, but only at the combined strength of Godzilla and Rodan." Funny it also took Mothra in the previous film but don't mention her.

"Invasion of Astro Monster 1965- Ghidorah once again is defeated retreating to outer space." Again, the ending is the same as Kong vs Godzilla. While we acknowledge Kong won, because he is last one seen on film, why can't the same be said for Ghidorah? 

"Destroy all monsters 1968." Takes place in 1999. Correct. However, it takes place after the events of Terror of mechagodzilla 1975 and the entire heisei series. The heisei series ends in 1996. 

I'm not saying these things to go against your theories, but the truth and facts were just spoken. You don't have to take my word for anything. You can watch these films and use Google as well. You'll get the same thing I just said though. 

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Godzilla 2014 Himself

Aug-22-2017 3:50 PM

Heavily agree with Godzilla: King of The Monsters

riggzamortis86

Aug-22-2017 6:10 PM

Hey I stand corrected. Still like to throw out theories out there. I don't agree about the time line for destroy all monsters. Yes it takes place in the year 1999 but it can't be in the same series time line with the Heisei series. But hey, we can all kind of interpret the series as we see it. 

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The King of the Monsters

Aug-22-2017 7:20 PM

On the topic of continuity, it is 100% confirmed that the Godzilla from Raids Again is the same individual from King Kong vs. Godzilla. This Godzilla is designated as the "Second Generation Godzilla," and according to Toho appeared in every film from Godzilla Raids Again through Terror of Mechagodzilla. The Showa continuity certainly isn't as strong or concrete as that of the Heisei series, but that wasn't really the priority. There's nothing in KKvG that "strongly implies" it isn't the same Godzilla. In fact, there's enough pieces there to match it up. Godzilla was frozen somewhere off the coast of Hokkaido in 1955, and in 1962 the first place he comes ashore after breaking out is Hokkaido. I'm not familiar with the exact location specifics, but for the film's purposes it's close enough. It's easy to assume that iceberg he emerges from broke off from the island in Raids Again and drifted for some distance. The characters also clearly know what Godzilla is and are noticeably panicked when he reappears. Akihiko Hirata's character even mentions how Godzilla thawing out was an inevitability, as they "couldn't expect him to stay frozen forever." It's not the most explicit continuity nod, but is at the very least lip service to Raids Again.

Flawless continuity isn't the priority of King Kong vs. Godzilla or the Showa series as a whole, but the changes to Godzilla's design or any other inconsistencies are simply the result of artistic liberties or oversight. Toho says that the 1955 and 1962 Godzillas are the same creature, and the pieces are there in both films to allow them to match up. I'm sure Godzilla's emergence from an iceberg in King Kong vs. Godzilla was due to the filmmakers' intention for it to be the same Godzilla.

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The King of the Monsters

Aug-22-2017 7:32 PM

I suppose I could also elaborate with some sources. Tomoyuki Tanaka's book (which most people here seem to accept as canon to some degree) says that Godzilla was frozen on Mikojima Island of the Kurile Islands, which are located north of Japan. The book also says that he was then carried to the North Pole, which I assume is roughly where he emerged in King Kong vs. Godzilla. Japanese Wikipedia's page on Godzilla also says "Although there are differences in appearance and contradictions on the story, the Godzilla that appeared from Godzilla Raids Again to Terror of Mechagodzilla is the same individual and is often called the second generation Godzilla" and cites no less than four different official informational books about the franchise.

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riggzamortis86

Aug-22-2017 8:43 PM

I don't want to say much.  I have said enough. 

I wasn't right, nor was I really wrong. I had a feeling about 55 to 62 Godzilla. I would like to know more about 62 to 64. That's what started this whole conversation. 

But that's what started me to think that perhaps the way we see Godzilla begin and start each of the movies starts and ends has some contrast between movies in the Showa series. Thank you for confirming my suspicions about some of what I was saying. 

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Huge-Ben

Aug-23-2017 7:35 AM

Kotm,

That is incorrect. I've pointed out already where raids again ends. It is nowhere near Hokkaido. It is near North Korea in the Japan sea. The original Japanese version of raids again shows that and they even say that's where he is. We can say that he broke off with an iceberg and drifted to the arctic, but clearly the arctic is on the other side of Japan in the North and off the coast of Hokkaido. The thing is, in Kong vs Godzilla, Godzilla attacks an arctic base and eventhen, it's not near Japan because they say he's heading home to Japan. "We knew the creature wouldn't last frozen forever, even if it took 200 years we knew he would return." We can take that as a follow up to raids again, but clearly Kong vs Godzilla does not acknowledge the events of raids again. The films themselves suggest this. 

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Huge-Ben

Aug-23-2017 7:38 AM

And it should be noted that monsters have "revived" throughout the Showa era. Look at Ghidorah the three headed monster. Shinichi Sekizawa wrote the script and has the original Rodan from 56 come back. I thought this was common knowledge? 

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riggzamortis86

Aug-23-2017 7:42 AM

But old articles say that this Godzilla from Raids Again is the same Godzilla throughout the rest of the series. Its the same character through every film just different designs and suits.

Plus King Kong vs Godzilla only suggest that for some odd reason Godzilla was frozen inside an iceberg. Everyone knew exactly who that monster was without a second glance. they knew Godzilla was frozen in an ice berg years ago as common knowledge. they had no other set up as to why he was frozen there.

If it were any other Godzilla, it would have shown up from the sea like the other two Godzilla's before it did. how else would you explain Godzilla showing up from an iceberg? why not show up from a volcano, an island or a a ship wreck? They chose the  iceberg. There is no other way around it. Its the same Godzilla.

^I'm taking a page out of your book here and even saying continuity wasn't exactly part of the Showa series agenda, it doesn't matter exactly where he was frozen, it just matters where he ended up later in the next film to help a contrast of familiar events to carry the story along.

 

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Huge-Ben

Aug-23-2017 8:02 AM

I think you guys are misinterpreting what "generation" means. Second generation is from the 60's-70's. Third generation is from 84-95, fourth generation is from 99-04. Yet, we've all come to accept the 4th generation as individual films except the kiryu saga. I think generation just means the years that they were made in. 

Either way, they knew Godzilla because of 54. It's common sense here people. Just like final wars, where they say the 54 was still around and was that Godzilla in that same movie. It's not rocket science. If a monster like Rodan can revive from 56 in 64, why can't it be said that Toho ignored the 54 death and let him be in 62? 

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