Checking out the Hulu Godzilla movies. G. H. (Gman) made recommendations and requested updates on the experience so here goes:
Started off with Godzilla vs Mothra. It turned out to be the 1992 version. It was pretty enjoyable but had some comical moments.
Just to name a few:
The first half hour seemed like a rip off of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
People seemed fairly casual when seeing Godzilla on a radar- “what is that big object on the radar? Oh, it is probably Godzilla, ho hum.”
When Mothra was approaching the mainland, the military said “Let’s attack it to see if it is hostile” LOL!
Near the end when all three creatures were brawling, people couldn’t seem to decide whom with to side. Godzilla would be getting his ass kicked and people were lamenting him losing. Then when he got the upper hand, they were lamenting Battra or Mothra getting owned.
Over all, it was pretty enjoyable. Nice effects and action and a good story. Gotta check out the Space Godzilla and Mecha Godzillas next.
Going to be honest, even as a Heisei fan, the next two movies might be a struggle, but don't give up Godzilla vs Destoroyah is worth it.
Nice to hear your thoughts, dk. A lot of people consider the '92 Godzilla vs. Mothra one of the weakest entries in the entire series. While I somewhat agree, I'm one of the few that think Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla is worse--Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla is almost universally agreed to be the weakest of the Heisei series though. (For me it's the worst film of the entire series.) So your complaints so far are certainly justified, if not downright spot on. (Especially that Raiders of the Lost Ark comment. The screenwriters and directors of the Heisei series had some weird obsession with badly aping superior Hollywood movies.)
I've not watched Godzilla vs. Mothra in a long time, but I remember the main characters being pretty steadfast about rooting for Mothra--At least Takuya and his family. As for the dialogue, some of that you can definitely chalk up to the dubbing. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't recall the "hostile" line in the Japanese version. I'll have to go back and look.
How come you didn't start with Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah? Despite all its logic flaws I usually tend to find that a more enjoyable watch than Mothra, MechaGodzilla and SpaceGodzilla--Maybe Destoroyah too.
I also find Godzilla vs Mothra (1992) a really bad stint in the series. I do enjoy the Heisei series a lot but so hard to get through the film without cringing when the daughter gets involved and just goes from being cute to really annoying. Plus Battra clearly having Rodan's roar really confused me. do they not think fans will remember such an iconic roar from such an iconic monster?
I do enjoy the next two entries after this though. Mechagodzilla and Spacegodzilla are better that Mothra entry. Destroyah is the best! Im glad Hulu got so many movies in time for Halloween and Christmas. Now I can watch these films where ever I go without lugging around the movies themselves.
For some reason the fan base still highly reveres Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla '93. The movie has aged so poorly that I find it particularly boring to get through. That being said, I can understand why many think it's better than Godzilla vs. Mothra '92.
Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla on the other hand...
I get it. I was a fan of spacegodzilla when I was a kid. But I liked how the movie tied in characters and plot from Godzilla vs Biollante in order to give the movie better continuity. I think Spacegodzilla is a great monster and fun to talk about. The movie growing up... I see its many flaws now, but still enjoy it way more than most other Godzilla movies from the 2000's era.
My advice to watching the movie is "Listen, its a monster movie. Not the Godfather. Go in and have Fun."
Yeah, but even on those merits getting through it is a pretty abysmal experience. I don't find anything fun about it and am often bored. It's one of two Godzilla movies I can't make it all the way through in one sitting.
I usually like to say I don't "hate" any Godzilla movie and that I can normally find redeeming qualities in each film that keep them above the water. But SpaceGodzilla is the one that really tests me with the "H" word...
I'm sure I'm really selling dk on sitting through all of them.
Let dk find the fun in each of them.
What exactly do you find so abysmal about Spacegodzilla movie anyway aside from the obvious, Gman?
I can see some short comings in the film(music is one of them), but I actually like it way more than some other entries. Im just curious what you don't like most about it?
To dk, just go in with an open mind and formulate your own opinions regarding these movies. Make no apologies for what you like, or don't like. I could debate anyone here until I'm blue in the face regarding certain Godzilla movies, Star Trek, James Bond, superhero movies, you name it. It's not going to change my mind or theirs. No one's opinion is any more valid than yours. Remember that.
It's a very loaded question, and I might break the website if I go into it. One day I'll write my novel about why it's the worst film in the series, but until then it largely comes down to an attitude of 'more is better' on the surface (even if none of it works--even on an entertainment level), the most wasted potential/resources of the entire series and insulting the audience/fans with an attempt to legitimize its existence via issue that doesn't exist. Apart from some nice photography in the first act, the movie is nails on a chalkboard from beginning to end.
ok, I get it.
@dk, give the movie a whirl, despite all that was said. cant wait to hear what you think, negative or positive. I like the movie. It has one of those required tastes I guess you can say.
Absolutely. I think dk should watch all of them regardless of what's said here about any of them.
Small update. Making my way down the list. Just saw Destroyah (1995) and All out Attack.
Destroyah was not very good imo. Good thing I am temered with MST3K films. Some observations:
o A kid mentioned his dad's extensive Godzilla research and the camera panned to a shelf with Godzilla action figures.
o Destroyah had an inner jaw- an obvious nod to the Xenomorph
o musical scores should enhance movies but Destroyah's was bizarre and distracting: weird piano music and strange militaristic music
o I wondered if the two females were supposed to be the Cosmos. They had an abrupt conversations about their powers that came out of nowhere.
o some scenes seemed to be shot from different people who didn't communicate about the flow. The baby Destroyah attacking someone hiding in a car, for example, felt like it belonged in a different movie.
All Out Attack was pretty solid. It was a pretty good mix of everything. The only bad thing was the end credits music- same military music from Destroyah scenes. It sounds like boss battle music to a video game.
Looks like some of the movies may have been removed but I am going through them. Seems these are newer remakes so far.
The two females characters in Destoroyah you mention were Miki Seagusa and Meru Ozawa. Miki is a reoccurring character in the Heisei series--You actually saw her in Godzilla vs. Mothra. She has psychic abilities that allow her to sense Godzilla's presence. Meru is an original character to the film and came from a psychic institute in the US. That's why they're talking about their "powers". That being said, the actress that plays Meru actually played one of the Cosmos in Godzilla vs. Mothra '92.
Shame you didn't enjoy Ifukube's score as it's one of the better parts of the movie. The piece at the end of Giant Monsters All-Out Attack is stock music from the same composer who also scored the original 1954 film and is Godzilla's main theme for the overall series. (He also scored Godzilla vs. Mothra and was nominated for a Japanese Academy Award for it. Some of the same themes are used that you hear in Destoroyah.)
Do check out these when you have the time. Although I agree Destoroyah isn't as great as a lot of people seem to make it out, it may clarify some things a bit:
Godzilla vs. Destoroyah 20 Years Later-Part I: Making Monsters Meltdown
Godzilla vs. Destoroyah 20 Years Later-Part II: Legacy of a Requiem
G. H. (Gman) I do nit pick but only because I like it. Indeed, I am becoming familiar with some things like music and actors.
That said, I saw Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah and can understand why you recommended as a first or early watch. Although I usually think the time travel thing to explain a story is weak, it worked really well and I thought it was a very strong movie and also an origins film of sorts. It was also nice to see Godzilla be the undisputed winner and survive at the end.
Tokyo S.O.S was really good too- I just wish G could be King of the Monsters and kick everyone's ass quite honestly. He is almost like Rocky- Get up Rock! Get up!
I have noticed the music recurring in different ways so I will just go with it.
Watching 2000 right now and am on the fence- possibly Zillaed out in the last 48 hrs lol!
Yeah, I dig Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah well enough, the time travel stuff is just as messy as the screenwriting gets in the series. But there's plenty of things that work in spite of it.
Seems like you're all over the map in terms of which ones you're watching. I'd certainly take a break after binging that many too.
My better half and I have agreed the next run will be in no particular order- 1998 (saw it on VHS and loved it back then), Space and Mcha 1 and 2.
To all- thanks for the input and discussion- I like to have fun and we all like different things for different reasons. For instance, it was stated a certain movie was the worst- I need to check it out since I might like it.
G. H. (Gman) is correct that I am all over the map in viewing the movies. It is strange though. I watched All Out Attack and then Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah next- Ghidorah began exactly how Attack ended- same type of ship in the ocean viewing remnants of the final battle from Attack. But Attack came later- weird.
Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (most people just call it GMK) isn't connected to Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, it's a reboot to the series envisioned as a direct sequel to the original film. The version of King Ghidorah in that film was an ancient guardian monster, while the King Ghidorah from Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah is a mutated creature created by terrorists from the future.
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As The King of the monsters explained and as I told you in the other thread where you asked what order you should watch them in, GMK is an anthology movie part of an anthology series. Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah is part of a more strict continuity fans call the Heisei series. It has no connection with GMK whatsoever. You've also seen the movie that takes place directly after Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah already--Godzilla vs. Mothra.
The only two movies in the Millennium series that connect are Godzilla against MechaGodzilla and Godzilla: Tokyo SOS. Those two movies have nothing to do/are not in the same continuity with the 1993 Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II. MechaGodzilla II takes place immediately after Godzilla vs. Mothra. Please refer back to this in terms of order and continuity:
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On another subject, I'm glad you enjoyed GMK. It's usually considered one of the best in the series and is one of my top favorites.
G. H. (Gman) Thanks for the reminder. I watched Mecha 2 and need to see Space to complete the Heisei series. Mecha 2 was pretty good. Even though watching out of sequence, I feel no different about Destroyah even if I watched in sequence- just my 2 cents.
I threw 1998 in last night since my other half wanted to see it. It seems evident it was getting in on Jurassic Park from that era. It was not a bad movie by itself but maybe was not a very good Godzilla movie. To its credit, it was nice to see a faster, more agile and calculating creature. It was an ok popcorn flick.
1998 was a fun monster movie. Just not a good Godzilla movie. if they named "Zilla" something else, it would be still a great monster movie! I do enjoy it, it has a place alongside my other Godzilla and giant monster movies.
But other than that dk, you are all over the board and I don't think that takes away from the over all experience of the films. I watched them all out of order as a kid and I still had fun.
Godzilla movie or not I think the 1998 film is only excellent at utilizing every bad cliche that killed 1990s blockbusters. As a Godzilla movie (which is what it's suppose to be) it's contemptuous and insulting. As a monster movie it's barely par for the course. As a blockbuster film, it's the proverbial nail in the coffin for the 1990s--Just a wretched movie through and through.
then you would love Rifftrax taking a shot at it! I saw them do it live and it was stellar!
I know I requested proper order of watching but it didn't happen. That said, I watched a couple more and offer some opinions.
Mecha 1- I liked it more than Mecha 2 since it offered how Mecha came to be and why. It was the first Zilla movie I saw that I wanted the actual Godzilla to lose since he just seemed to be a destructive dick in this movie.
Final Wars- Purists may disagree and that is ok. Oh my! This was a shameless and glorious mishmash battle of several creatures! It felt like The Matrix for almost half the movie but I actually cared about the characters. Acting was quite good and they spared almost no expense to find actors to stand in for Reeves, Fishburne or Jessie Ventura lol! The story was pretty good and ended well. I thoroughly enjoyed and will probably watch again.
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