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how to include King Caesar into the monsterverse

how to include King Caesar into the monsterverse

KaijuWorld

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Posted Apr-16-2018 7:15 AM

King Caesar, such an interesting kaiju and one of my favorite kaiju of the Showa series. People seem to really want to see king Caesar make a comeback in one of the legendary movies. For a while, I thought he would be too similar to Mothra seeing as they are both mythical godlike protectors. But recently I got an idea for how he could stand out as a kaiju and give us something that no other movie in the Monsterverse could even come close to.

I do want to point out that this is all speculation. I am not saying everything in here HAS to happen. This is just the way I would do it.

 

if king Caesar were to be introduced into the Monsterverse, I think it should be in his own movie. some people might think that a movie about king Caesar might not be popular enough to bring in a lot of money at the box office, but to that, I say "black panther".

the question is what would that movie be about. I think it should be an origin story for King Caesar. I think it would be about the legend of the Shisa (the creature that King Caesar is based on). for the people who don't know the legend, I will explain it here.

 

note: this will mostly be some history of Japan. for the people that already know some of these things, you can always skip this part. I will highlight the part where my theory starts. I would recommend reading the history anyway to make you understand the things I will be talking about in a minute better.

 

When a Chinese emissary returned from a voyage to the court at Shuri Castle, he brought a gift for the king, a necklace decorated with a figurine of a Shisa. The king found it charming and wore it underneath his clothes. At the Naha Port bay, the village of Madanbashi was often terrorized by a sea dragon who ate the villagers and destroyed their property. One day, the king was visiting the village, and one of these attacks happened; all the people ran and hid. The local priestess had been told in a dream to instruct the king when he visited to stand on the beach and lift up his figurine towards the dragon; she sent the boy to tell him the message. He faced the monster with the figurine held high, and immediately a giant roar sounded all through the village, a roar so deep and powerful that it even shook the dragon. A massive boulder then fell from heaven and crushed the dragon's tail, so that he couldn't move, and eventually died. This boulder and the dragon's body became covered with plants and surrounded by trees and can still be seen today as the "Gana-mui Woods" near Naha Ohashi bridge. The townspeople then built a large stone shisa to protect it from the dragon's spirit and other threats.

 

the story is never specified to take place in a certain time period, so the story could also some history of Okinawa being the invasion of the Ryukyu island (1609 AD). for the people that don't know what I am talking about, in 1609 the Ryukyu islands were invaded by the Shimazu clan from the Satsuma domain. Eventually, after many years the Shimazu clan won the war and the islands became part of Japan. you can learn more about the invasion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Ryukyu

 

here will start the actual theory.

 

The complete origin of King Caesar really depends on how realistic and believable you want to make him. Is he a lion/dog with an incredibly long lifespan that evolved over the millions of years or was he always this big lion dog-creature and is the last of his kind. If there are any alternatives, please let me know, because I have no idea at this point. If he is that old though, his domain would have to be terrain that eventually becomes Okinawa. This would give King Caesar a reason to protect Okinawa and its inhabitants. He probably stayed underground for the most part of his life (hollow earth theory?) where he got very intelligent over the many years. He occasionally would have gotten out of hiding and saw humans and they saw him, spawning the shisa culture.

this is when the legend could happen from earlier. the king goes to a village that's being terrorized by a water dragon (Manda maybe?) and uses his shisa statue to summon king Caesar. king Caesar defeats the dragon and went away. But here is the twist. The priestess that was told in a dream to instruct the king to do this, was king Caesar telepathically communicating with the priestess (through visions and not actually talking). later that same year, king Caesar communicated with the priestess again and told her to propose the king to have king Caesar as Okinawa's protector, but the people of Okinawa had to make a temple for him first. this temple would serve as his resting place. a place where he would stay until the royal Azumi family needs its help again. the king agreed, and plans were made for a temple close to the Shuri castle.

Now here I will throw in some real-life history into the mix. In 1609 the Ryukyu islands were invaded by the Shimazu clan from the Satsuma domain before the temple was constructed. this was a time were the royal Azumi family needed king Caesar the most. they prayed for him to come and he eventually did fight back the invaders. the Shimazu clan was surprised by this and retreated. they came up with a plan to stop king Caesar. their plan was to lure him into a cave with no escape besides the entrance and trap him in theirs. they executed the plan and it worked. king Caesar was trapped history went the same way as it did in real life.

the royal family prayed to King Caesar for forgiveness because they were too late making the temple. king Caesar replied basically saying he has a temple now (being the place where he was locked up). King Caesar chooses to stay there until a family member of the Azumi family needs him again when a new threat arrives (so he can come back in a “destroy all monsters” type movie).

 

I also wanted to point out what powers/abilities king Caesar would have in the Monsterverse. I can confidently say that he would still be very agile like in his other appearances. Like I mentioned in the story he would have the ability to talk to humans through telepathy and showing visions. He would also be very intelligent, learning from past attacks. It would also be nice to see his power to absorb beams and shoot them back, but that’s maybe a to unbelievable for a realistic universe.

 

And that is it. this was a very long forum this time, but I had a lot of fun making it. I have learned a lot about the Japanese history just by doing research on this topic. this was more a plot for a solo movie than an explanation for how he could fit in, but unlike Gigan and Mechagodzilla, King Caesar is way more difficult to explain because he doesn’t have much of an origin in the original movie. Thank you all so much for reading this and I hope to hear some of your reactions. Also, what kaiju would like to see next in this series? Right now Gorosaurus and Biollante are the top runners.

 

links to my other forums in this series.

mechagodzilla: http://www.godzilla-movies.com/topic/47629

gigan: http://www.godzilla-movies.com/topic/47629

still waiting for a good modern kaiju game. *sigh*

21 Responses to how to include King Caesar into the monsterverse

riggzamortis86

Apr-16-2018 7:27 AM

Well this was fun and informative!

The picture above is cool too.

YOU.....DUMBBELL!

MinecraftDinoKaiju

Apr-16-2018 11:38 AM

Looks awesome. Can't wait for the forum about Gorosaurus.

KaijuWorld

Apr-16-2018 11:42 AM

No worries, he is next on my list. I have some ideas already.

still waiting for a good modern kaiju game. *sigh*

The Jurassic Bootleg

Apr-16-2018 3:27 PM

 The reason why Black Panther was successful at the box office because of 1) Marvel, everyone knows Marvel, they can literally make a movie about Squirrel Girl and it would make lots of money, 2) His introduction in Civil War, everyone knows that he was awesome in that movie and 3) Nobody knows who's King Ceasar is aside from us. Just wanted to say that. Anyway back to the topic.

 I really really like this one, I think is by far your best! But I kinda disagree with King Ceasar having telepathy, I just can't imagine him having telepathy.

 

 

 

Godzilla Generations was a beautiful game! I loved the fact that there's a laser cannon inside of Dr. Serizawa's eyepatch.

MinecraftDinoKaiju

Apr-16-2018 7:41 PM

^

Do you mean like when they gave Lucario the Pokemon telepathy in his own movie when he didn't have it to begin with in the series?

The Jurassic Bootleg

Apr-16-2018 8:12 PM

^

Similar, I can get behind legendaries having telepathy but a non-legendary? C'mon(Lucario still cool tho).

Godzilla Generations was a beautiful game! I loved the fact that there's a laser cannon inside of Dr. Serizawa's eyepatch.

riggzamortis86

Apr-17-2018 5:51 AM

I think Mothra is the one monster in this Monsterverse I can see having telepathy. That and maybe King Ghidorah.

King Ceasar should be able to heal other monsters. I remember back in 1974(at least in the English over-dub version) that the Simian aliens where worried that King Ceasar might have the ability to bring other monsters back to life. Since it was hinted that Mechagodzilla could have killed Godzilla, maybe the Simians where worried that King Ceasar would have the abilities to heal Godzilla or bring him back from the dead.

But he cant heal himself, that would be the takeaway. That's what I think he should have instead of the ability of telepathy.

YOU.....DUMBBELL!

KaijuWorld

Apr-17-2018 8:16 AM

yeah, "black panther" wasn't the best example. marvel can make a movie about anything and it will be successful. but this is how I see it: phase 1 and 2 of the monsterverse need to have the things it 100% needs (like Godzilla 3, kong 2 or a solo movie for Rodan/Mothra) and the phases after that can be more experimental (like a King Caesar solo movie or a remake of Gorgo/Gamera/TBO2F/etc.) Marvel has done this too with movies like guardians of the galaxy and Antman being made after movies like iron man, Thor, Captain America, Avengers, etc. I hope that around phase 3 (if it ever happens) the monsterverse will have around the same amount of recognition as the MCU.

the telepathy was more of a way to make King Caesar connected to the legend mentioned in the forum. also, it was a way to make King Caesar be more connected to humans in this story.

still waiting for a good modern kaiju game. *sigh*

MinecraftDinoKaiju

Apr-17-2018 9:52 AM

^

Probably the best opinion and summary so far on this forum. Also, no spoilers for the next forum, but in your opinion, is Gorosaurus at least plausible enough to be in the Monsterverse?

KaijuWorld

Apr-17-2018 10:09 AM

Oh he definitely is plausible in the monsterverse. He fits right in and there aren’t that many other kong enemies besides him. Also the rights for Gorosaurus already lie at Toho. They could just make a new enemie for kong 2, but I think Gorosaurus would be a cool Kaiju by himself and would be a cool throwback. I don’t even think the rights for Gorosaurus would be so expensive, especially if he is in just one movie.

No worries, I won’t spoil anything here for the next forum. I only will tell what monster is next (being Gorosaurus). I could make and upload the forum for Gorosaurus within a week, but I think I will keep a 2 week gab with each forum. This is so I can hear and share more of your opinions over a longer space of time.

still waiting for a good modern kaiju game. *sigh*

MinecraftDinoKaiju

Apr-17-2018 10:32 AM

@KaijuWorld There was something I forgot to mention about the quote I gave you. Here's the line: "Unlike its smaller brethren, this creature dragged its tail across the ground in order to remain balanced due to its utterly gigantic size." What I forgot to mention (although not sure if you know this already, let me know) was that Gorosaurus is actually, according to the Godzilla wiki, a relative/descendant of the Allosaurus (Btw why isn't there fan art in which Gorosaurus has the color scheme of the Walking With Dinosaurs Allosaurus? If someone can make it, let me and KaijuWorld know and it might be included in that forum.). That is just to clarify what it meant by  "smaller brethren". You're welcome.

KaijuWorld

Apr-17-2018 10:36 AM

I will mention you in the forum, just not this forum. I will mention you in the Gorosaurus forum. Or was that not what you meant?

still waiting for a good modern kaiju game. *sigh*

MinecraftDinoKaiju

Apr-17-2018 10:53 AM

@KaijuWorld Not really. I was just clarifying something on the quote I found. Also, what do you think of my suggestion for the fan art? It is cool if you picture it. Here is what I mean:

Walking with Dinosaurs Allosaurus:

Image result for walking with dinosaurs allosaurus

 

Gorosaurus:

Image result for gorosaurus

 

Can you imagine the color scheme/ design? Just imagine it.

 

 

KaijuWorld

Apr-17-2018 11:09 AM

 

I like the connection to the allosaurus you made there. I personally don't do fan art myself. the one for Gigan on the last forum was to visualize the muto as Gigan. the thing is, gorosaurus's design doesn't need much of an update. his design already really looks like a real dinosaur. I would imagine it looking something along the lines of this artwork made by the same designer of the thumbnail photo for king caesar.

btw, let's save some of this controversy for the actual gorosaurus forum. this is a forum about king ceasar after all.

still waiting for a good modern kaiju game. *sigh*

MinecraftDinoKaiju

Apr-17-2018 11:11 AM

Ok. Also ( Sorry if I'm asking for too much too fast. ) , can you please do a forum on Godzilla Junior (the one from the Heisei era, not Minilla)? Please?

KaijuWorld

Apr-17-2018 11:39 AM

that is an interesting choice and a challenge that I would like to take. maybe they could bring back the plot of burning Godzilla, although I would rather want to see something new. the king of the monsters might not be the only one of his kind. junior could be a cool inclusion if Godzilla ever dies.

I am not saying Godzilla will die in KOTM. I mean who kills one of there flagship characters in a cinematic universe in his second movie *cough* Superman *cough*.

I have a question actually about all of Godzilla's sons. if Mechagodzilla 1, 2 and 3 are trademarked as the same character, why isn't that the same for minilla, baby/little Godzilla and Godzilla junior? also, if Godzilla junior grows up into an adult Godzilla, do the rights of the character change to regular Godzilla or does it stay as Godzilla junior?

still waiting for a good modern kaiju game. *sigh*

riggzamortis86

Apr-17-2018 11:48 AM

I get that your idea for King Ceasar is grounded from the legend you provided to us. Im just saying that Mothra will most likely have that ability in this Universe. I bet that Mothra will have some kind of relationship with Millie Bobby Brown's character(don't ask me how or why, its just an educated guess at this point) and she will be the conduit for Mothra's messages.

So in giving King Ceasar a similar ability will seem pointless in its character towards humans and the like. Mothra will have telepathy covered in the Monsterverse. King Ceasar would need something else of divinity in the monster world. So giving King Ceasar an ability of healing or resurrection of other monsters would be pretty cool. In my opinion of course.

YOU.....DUMBBELL!

MinecraftDinoKaiju

Apr-17-2018 11:48 AM

@KaijuWorld I'm not sure, but I think the copywritten character part is probably because they were looking for a design average for Godzilla's son for the time each character was made (Except Final Wars Minilla. That was because it marked Godzilla's 50th Anniversary.) Also, I hope that the rights stay as Godzilla Junior.

riggzamortis86

Apr-17-2018 12:12 PM

@KaijuWorld, now Im not an expert on licensing for Toho monsters or anything, but I can tell you what I learned about what Legendary can and cant do with TOHO trademark characters in terms of Legendary's Monsterverse.

 "junior could be a cool inclusion if Godzilla ever dies."

Godzilla can not die in the Monsterverse, he can be defeated but not killed(I think Toho learned there lesson from 98). So Godzilla Jr or any other son of Godzilla used in this Monsterverse can not take over in that way.

"if Godzilla junior grows up into an adult Godzilla, do the rights of the character change to regular Godzilla or does it stay as Godzilla junior"

In the Monsterverse, Toho wont let them have more than one Godzilla. I don't know if that means babies or younger versions of Godzilla(once again maybe learning there lesson from 98) .  So Godzilla Jr or any other form of Godzilla adolescence will stay an adolescence. There cannot be more than one Godzilla. So no 2 full grown Godzilla's at the same time.

 

"if Mechagodzilla 1, 2 and 3 are trademarked as the same character, why isn't that the same for minilla, baby/little Godzilla and Godzilla junior?"

That is a great question and I don't know why Toho keeps all Mechagodzillas under the same trademark all in the same package other than having the same name. I guess Minilla stays the same throught the showa series except for the dream sequences in All Monsters Attack, and also because his name is Minilla. But its the same character. Baby Godzilla, Little Godzilla, and Godzilla Jr all are different in the Heisei series. The character is technically the same baby from GVMG2 but he grows into different monsters all throughout the series. So the design of the character changes and is named differently in each film due to its size. So while Mechagodzilla is still called Mechagodzilla in 1974, 75, 92 and in 02 and 03 (aside of Kiryu), maybe that's why they keep it all in the same trademark. But like i said before, Im far from an expert on these things. Im sure others on this forum are more informed than I am on this matter. What Im saying here can be disproven or changed. Im just trying to bring what Im aware of on this subject to light.

YOU.....DUMBBELL!

Im Durp

Apr-17-2018 6:20 PM

I would love to see King Caesar in the monsterverse. Not expecting it though, but I do agree with the Black Panther comparison, if you can get enough word out about your franchise you can bring in some of the more obscure characters and make great stories around them.

MinecraftDinoKaiju

Apr-18-2018 9:04 AM

@KaijuWorld I forgot to mention something: love the way Baragon looks in that picture along with Gorosaurus. Gorosaurus' round head could be improved on a little bit (refer back to images), but other than that, still looks good.

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