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Question about Final Wars?

Question about Final Wars?

dippindotssss

Dec-11-2018 1:49 PM

Hi, I had a question about the very end of the movie, when FinalGoji becomes Keizer Goji or UGoji and kills KG etc.. I keep seeing on random wiki pages that the power-up "wore off" and Keizer Goji used the last of it to shoot down the Gotengo. This seems ridiculous to me because it equivocates that a. the Gotengo can only be destroyed by the buffed beam and b. the infinite power Keizer Goji was given actually ran out. I rewatched the end of the movie and there's no sign or mention of the unlimited Keizer power being depleted. In fact, if anything, it implies that UGodzilla has become an amortal God Kaiser himself, as Ozaki has no answer to UGoji's renewed attack and has become a helpless human after giving the subject and object of his Kaiser soul to Godzilla. Is there any official word on this matter, like in the Japanese guidebook or interviews or something? Thanks! 

12 Responses to Question about Final Wars?

G. H. (Gman) #TeamGhidorah

Dec-12-2018 2:08 PM

There's nothing in the movie that confirms he lost or kept the energy. There might be some source book out there that claims it--I'll do some digging. Otherwise, it just seems like some loose wording from fans/writers. 

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"It wouldn't be a true Godzilla film if you didn't touch upon those things. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a true Godzilla fan." - Mike Dougherty, fellow gatekeeper-elitist ;)


dippindotssss

Dec-12-2018 10:39 PM

Thanks, that's exactly what I thought. But I'd say that the energy was infinite and that we were clearly shown the power being received but not lost at the absolute least implied the powerup was permanent (and at most confirms it). Also supporting this conclusion is how FinalGoji or UGoji was immune to all weapons used against it before it was accidentally trapped; that includes the Oxygen Destroyer. It adapted and evolved to micro-oxygen live and permanently assimilated it into its Soul and living physiology, just like it did to the Unlimited Kaiser energy it absorbed, which rendered UGoji an omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent and amortal Kaiser as well. 

I was digging too, and I couldn't find anyone else talking about this specific question, so I think novelization or guide books are probably our best chance to hear some official word. Please let me know if you find anything.

EDIT: I've ordered a copy of final wars super complete works to study. It'll take a while to arrive but I'll be sure to report back before and after it gets here

 

G. H. (Gman) #TeamGhidorah

Dec-13-2018 12:13 AM

That's a good place to start. To my recollection there's nothing in the Toho SFX Monster Encyclopedia about it. So we can strike that from the source list.

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"It wouldn't be a true Godzilla film if you didn't touch upon those things. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a true Godzilla fan." - Mike Dougherty, fellow gatekeeper-elitist ;)


dippindotssss

Dec-13-2018 6:29 AM

Oh, excellent, thank you. 

And yeah the only issue with super complete works, I think, will be translating it. But there are plenty of pathings around that hurdle.

G. H. (Gman) #TeamGhidorah

Dec-13-2018 6:27 PM

I spoke with some friends at Wikizilla--Apparently the blurb about Godzilla's power wearing off predates the site's transition from wikia. The blurb has been removed from Wikizilla, but the far less accurate Gojipedia still includes it.

As far as they know, there's no source that claims Godzilla either lost or retained the power. It's probably just up to your discretion, but I'll continue to snoop around out of mere curiosity.

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"It wouldn't be a true Godzilla film if you didn't touch upon those things. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a true Godzilla fan." - Mike Dougherty, fellow gatekeeper-elitist ;)


dippindotssss

Dec-13-2018 9:51 PM

Wow, thank you! That is just incredibly satisfying to hear, somehow. Please do keep me updated on anything you find, and I'll be sure to do the same once the book arrives. I really appreciate your help!

I actually have another question; feel free to ignore it if I'm draining your time too much, you've already been an incredible help. I was wondering where this shot of FinalGoji is from in the movie:

Someone asked about it on reddit and I do agree with them when they say it just looks incredibly good on-screen when Godzilla's tail is above the ground like a real dinosaur's. I also really love that UGoji is amortal and has prominent lips like every other Goji that cover his teeth completely like human lips except when he talks and tells and his whole body including his teeth and eyes and claws and talons and tail and ears is one platonic constant and form and unbreakable and also instantly regenerates without costing anythingmade from nothing and UGoji's arms and legs are so much more circular and harder and much more muscular and longer than human length and are infinitely fast to be instantaneous and omnipresent on top of being actually omnipresent and that his dorsal plates/osteoderms are indestructible and regenerate instantly and are permanently part of UGoji and that they're flat or little bumps and don't light up or glow at all when UGoji uses any of his breath variations and upgrades and shapes and variations that cover the entire EM spectrum without losing damage or his pulses or melee pulses and magnetism and telekinesis and space flight and he can breathe and survive in the vacuum of space and he doesn't need to breathe anything at all and doesn't need any sustenance etc.. I also like how UGoji's shoulders are the same width as his hips and I like how UGoji is amortal and omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent and uses his omnipotent indestructible and amortal body to effortlessly and weightlessly and masslessly flick KGhidorah into space at FTL INSTANTANEOUSLY UNLIMITED SPEEDS and out of orbit from the ground and then instantaneously eraseabsorbs KGhidorah with his tail SPIKESTAB STRIKEDS absorberase tail spikestab and/or stretchy fingertailsspikestab AND FINGERNAILSTAILSPIKESTAB and/or his breath or nose and/or a thought or any part of his body or any thing or idea or air or gases or void airey around him or by just thinking it with his hip brain and absorberase tail stabbing him into himself and nothingness but oneness with UGoji simultaneously 

I rewatched all of Goji's daytime scenes in the movie several times looking for this moment, but it doesn't seem like this made it into the final cut. I assume it's a deleted scene or from a book or trailer etc.?

G. H. (Gman) #TeamGhidorah

Dec-13-2018 10:32 PM

It's not a shot from the movie, it's a production photo taken by an on-set photographer for publicity. (The fact you can see the bare, plywood set under Godzilla's foot is a giveaway. Effects crews normally cover that up better.)

This was the first color image of Godzilla from the film--released July 1st, 2004 in an unspecified Japanese newspaper. The article confirmed this was when Godzilla was charging at Anguirus.

(The first image of Godzilla was a black & white photo from another newspaper.)

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"It wouldn't be a true Godzilla film if you didn't touch upon those things. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a true Godzilla fan." - Mike Dougherty, fellow gatekeeper-elitist ;)


dippindotssss

Dec-14-2018 7:29 AM

Oh, awesome! I just love that shot of UGoji and I wish there were more like it, shots where he looks extremely predatory and saurian. Thanks so much!

dippindotssss

Dec-16-2018 7:45 PM

By the way, I guess it was an oversight, but the wikizilla page for FinalGoji the character wasn't corrected along with the movie's synopsis.  

Final Wars complete works is set to arrive in January so I guess I'll necro the thread to post my findings :)

KingOfTheMobsters

Dec-16-2018 9:57 PM

I started a similar topic not long ago: http://www.godzilla-movies.com/topic/48132

 

Like several other masterful movies, Godzilla: Final Wars doesn't spoon-feed the viewers. As time passed by, new details about the movie come up. There are way too many subtle details that are not typically recognized at first. Eg, Godzilla "talk" with Anguirus, Reverse pollen attack by Mothra, her returning to Monster Island, Manda in Norway oceans probably homage to the great serpent in Viking folklore, etc

Godzilla: Final Wars is like a closing chapter of the Godzilla Saga (Kind of quoting the movie), as such Final Goji ends up turning into a version of Godzilla that possesses unlimited power (Keizer Godzilla), in this way cementing that this is it, the last form of Godzilla regardless of other version that would come up (Graphic novels, Godzilla Earth etc), and what will come in the future, this Keizer Godzilla is, and will be King.

dippindotssss

Dec-17-2018 7:16 AM

I think that's apt, yeah. It also helps that it's in its own standalone universe where Goji was immune to the oxygen destroyer and we have the power and awe of Goji fighting other incredible beings front and center. There's no issue with Keizer Goji being all these things because this little pocket movie  already exists in a perfect world, so to speak, where forgiveness is universal (vis a vis any other Godzilla movie). I think of it as like a love song to this endless battle they've subjected Goji to. It's certainly not always the most engaging of the films to rewatch, but it functions perfectly, I think, as a conclusion to the Goji legacy preceding it. 

KingOfTheMobsters

Dec-17-2018 10:51 AM

You took the words out of my mouth. This is exactly how i see Godzilla: Final Wars. A love song to the series and a final chapter. This movie concludes an era, and rightfully so since this was the last movie were costumes were fully used, the last time we would see Toho's water pond, getting the star on the Walk of Fame in Hollywood etc.

The movie for me is more than just a terrorist invasion, or Kaiju fighting. Final Wars for me is about Hope, hope for the future.

Some people argue what was Minilla's part in the movie. some people think Minilla was unnecessary. That the movie didn't need him. But for me, he not only represents the greater love that Godzilla has for him, but also represents hope.

If a sequel was to be made, in a more decent world, Minilla grows up to be a benevolent Godzilla, friend with Humanity. Probably recipient of the energy of the father, similarly to Godzilla vs Destoroyah. Minilla would not only defend earth like his father did, but also humanity.

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