The future of Toho done righto

JonahLee-France

Hi i started this discussion to talk about the what fans of Godzilla want in the future and this is where i want to start. I noticed while re-watching the millennium series i saw that their was a post credit at the end of Tokyo SOS, it showed that extracted Godzilla DNA from 3/11/1999 and that their going to begin a bio formation test experiment shall commence momentarily, Bio-formation of extinct subject commencing. Even tho this movie was made in 2003, it think they can do a lot with this as they could introduce ghidorah or something new but i hope this discussion can get toho attention and bring someone like masaaki tezuka to direct a new film or series, they even can make a sequel to gmk if the wanted to but what if we the fans wanted them to so i ask is this, plz help this become a reality as they can bring what we goji fans loved when young or old to make a nostalgic godzilla movies back to what they were.   

Djdndnejwnwn

This is off topic, But I love the little editing mistakes in the original. The movie is great, but it’s age does show a little. 

G. H. (Gman)

Xenotaris,
You're half right. While Tsuburaya wanted to use stop motion special effects, he calculated before Godzilla was even designed that such a project would take exactly seven years to complete.

According to the book, "Eiji Tsuburaya: Master of Monsters", tokusatsu was developed as an art form out of the necessity of time. So while the style was developed due to resource constraints, Tsuburaya had no interest in turning back from it once the ball was rolling. Remember, after Godzilla '54 Tsuburaya had access to some of the most advanced visual effects technology in the world, including an optical printer of which only four existed by the time he got one. Tsuburaya founded a successful style, not unlike film noir of the 1940s or German expressionism in the 1920s and he wasn't turning back.

As far as "Gojira was a flop in japan" that is categorically, 150% false. I'm not sure where you got that idea, because literally every viable source speaks to the contrary.

According to Kogyotsushin, in 2021, the original film is the oldest movie in the top 25 most attended films of all time. It has an attendance record of 9.62 million which is higher than every Godzilla movie in Japan except for one. It was even more successful than Seven Samurai of the same year by 2.62 million tickets. The book, "Ishiro Honda: A Life in Film from Godzilla to Kurosawa" says, "The film set a new opening day record for a Toho feature," and explains how it sold out theaters. "Eiji Tsuburaya: Master of Monsters" also says it broke box office records becoming one of the biggest films of the year, earning awards and establishing Toho as, "the world's premier visual effects facility."

So while the 1956 cut, Godzilla, King of the Monsters helped Godzilla reach international fame, it was already a box office smash in Japan. There is no reason they would have fast tracked Godzilla Raids Again for a release three months later had it not been. There also would have been no insentive to green light Rodan and The Mysterians, both of which were completed before the American cut's release.

Djdndnejwnwn

From a scientific view, any fact has at least a small amount of bias. Plus as much as we love and respect the creators of Godzilla. We were not there. We do not truly know their thoughts and motivations. And Xenotarus chose to look at what happened in one way, while Gman chose another. Simply stating that something is used too much by producers or came from a tight budget does not get rid of any artistry that can be achieved. 

One thing also. Godzilla isn’t real. As much as we love characters, they don’t exist. They are not ours. The creators get ownership, Yet their lives did not just revolve around Godzilla or Ultraman. They had lives too. Evidence of this is after Ishiro Honda was asked to make another film for the Hesei era, he said something along the lines of, “Can’t you let me make something else?” I just wanted to say that people’s memories get fractured over time. We don’t know how much they remembered. I recently moved, and I thought it was life changing, but now I find it hard to picture the old house.

My point is, the people who created Godzilla, indeed are People. 

First Comment

Xenotaris

okay I was wrong about the flop but imagine if they would have used stop motion rather than suitmation

G. H. (Gman)

Xenotaris,
We would've gotten far less Godzilla movies, many adored franchises, TV series and films like Super Sentai and Ultraman would not exist, the series might've gone on a hiatus even sooner with no garuntee of returning due to the fall of Japanese cinema in the late 60s & economic crisis in the mid-70s and a unique style of visual effects would not be included in cinema history.

Sounds boring.

Xenotaris

In any case, I may not seem like but I am a big fan of Tokusatsu-style special effects but I also a big fan of Stop-Motion, Puppetry, Go-Motion, Animatronics, and yes the big bad CGI. Special Effects are all awesome, beats watching a non-special effect movie

Djdndnejwnwn

I think it’s unfair to say on special effect is better than the other. Comparing the two and saying which is better does not make it a fact, but a statement of opinion.

In my opinion problems I have with CGI,

- Often Not done well,

- Over used in certain films, and you can tell there is no set. 

- So big and loud that it detracts from the acting

- Even done well, you can still tell the difference

My Problems with Tokusatsu,

- More expensive 

- limited flexibility 

- Sacrifices logic and believability 

- Not that expressive 

- Suits are prone to breaking and decay

I think that used together,

CGI and Tokusatsu could be amazing.

Djdndnejwnwn

Also Xenotaris, I’ve been trying to identify the theropod on the picture below your statements, (please remind me what they’re called), I thought it was a juvenile Dilophosaurus, but now I’m not sure

sonictiger

Anyone up for Shin Godzilla vs. Legendary Godzilla?

Djdndnejwnwn

Yes! Shin Goji is my favorite! 
 

Xenotaris

@SarcasticGoji
Its a Dilophosaurus unless you are talking about the blue guy then I don't know. Also Legendary/Monsterverse Godzilla FTW, Shin Godzilla reminds me of a Space Godzilla + Biollante + Destoroyah + Orga type villian than a proper Godzilla

G. H. (Gman)

sonictiger,
Shin Godzilla, easily. He feels more like Godzilla than the Monsterverse one which is basically just the Heisei Gamera.

goji85

honestly, i just want a remake of the 1954 ¨gojira¨.

goji85

I mean seriosly like half of the king kong movies are remakes of the origanal

sonictiger

G.H. (Gman), Monsterverse Godzilla is stronger

G. H. (Gman)

sonictiger,
And in worse movies.

sonictiger

...and that's supposed to mean?

G. H. (Gman)

sonictiger,
Exactly what it says.

That's like asking what, "X is stronger," is supposed to mean.

sonictiger

oh, yeah.

But give me a full stats rundown on Shin vs. Legendary

G. H. (Gman)

Okay, here's the stats:
Blah, blah, fan speculation. Blah, blah, who cares.

Besides, Toho seems to have made up its mind already:
Translation:
"The latest in 12 years. Finally, the strongest Godzilla in history."

sonictiger

That isn't what I meant, but fine.

Djdndnejwnwn

Shin Godzilla is more powerful. 

His atomic breath is more focused, so more peircing and deadly.

He can shoot it from multiple areas.

The spine lasers are according to Toho, a modified version of the Atomic Pulse of Burning G

So Shin Godzilla is a perpetually burning Godzilla,

Can mutate/adapt to any environment

As is impenetrable

They only reason Godzilla is more powerful is because Godzilla Earth is Bigger.

sonictiger

okie dokie

Neoeryn

While this is a wonderful idea, I also wanna see where Shin Godzilla's era ends up taking us.. considering how SP looks sorta like him, I think Toho has something huge planned for a new universe or something.

I was planning on making a comic someday, but I'm not even sure what it would be about, or who it would have. I was considering fanfiction, but I can draw better than I can write, so fanfiction is out of the question.