MinecraftDinoKaijuTitanosaurusMember968 XPNov-16-2019 12:31 PM
Wow. This is deep. Good luck telling this to current fans.
Gomi: Ninja MonsterBaragonMember251 XPNov-16-2019 7:03 PM
See, MinecraftDinoKaiju, I'm fairly certain that was specifically the kind of thing he was advocating we avoid in discussions. However, that was a really obvious jab, so I see the appeal in making it.
Anyways, I think it would be worth mentioning that once you've "seen the light," you aren't somehow obligated to view movies solely from that perspective going forward. Yes the complexities and deeper meanings can make the experience that much more insightful or frustrating, but it doesn't mean you have to ignore or forget the less sophisticated things that you enjoyed before. While true that a more experienced outlook can tarnish older favorites, it's not always the case, nor should it be. Media can just be plain, unsophisticated fun, and it's okay to consume it as such. I'm not saying everything gets a free pass from criticism, just that you are allowed to slow down the mental gears for a bit if you want.
I feel this is the main force behind the divide between critics and the general populace, or more specifically in this case the old guard G-fans and the newer crop. I think sometimes critics spend so much time looking for a new revelation or insight that they can't see the forest for the trees, or refuse to enjoy something because they think it's beneath them to just have fun. An expertly prepared dish with dozens of flavors blended to perfection is superior to a bowl of cereal, absolutely, and more power to the people who are skilled and experienced enough to truly enjoy those meals. But sometimes, all you really want is that bowl of cereal, and it's okay to have it.
I hope that conveyed what I wanted to say properly.
David MarshallMothra LarvaeMember22 XPNov-16-2019 7:14 PM
I don't know how to reply to specific people, but Gomi, you aren't wrong. Take Parasite for example. It was an incredibly meaningful and powerful film, but it was a lot of fun as well. Godzilla movies, with the monster/human elements, again, it's a both/and, not either/or. Which means it is possible to watch them for the enjoyment elements. But for me, I think it's impossible (at least for me) to watch them without that deeper meaning in the back of my mind. Does that make sense?
Ultimately, it's frustrating, because you have people who simply deny these films have depth when the evidence is stacked against them. Admitting this doesn't mean you have to watch them for these reasons alone. And I wouldn't be watching the films, "depth be damned," if they weren't enjoyable in the first place!
Gomi: Ninja MonsterBaragonMember251 XPNov-16-2019 7:38 PM
Heh, neither do I. Oh yeah, I saw the trailer for that. It seemed intriguing, I'll have to check it out someday. I think I get what you're saying, it's like how I can't watch the Jurassic Park movies without at some point mentally going "yeah, these things aren't scientifically accurate." I still enjoy them immensely, and I understand the multitude of story and practical reasons for why the Dinos are what they are, but that inaccuracy doesn't go away, I just learned to accept it.
Agreed, though I will admit that due to my limited experience actually in the fandom most of my clashes about Godzilla come from non-fans, so I'm not the best position to relate with you on that point.
David MarshallMothra LarvaeMember22 XPNov-16-2019 8:38 PM
If you don't mind my asking, where do most of your interactions within the fandom occur?
Gomi: Ninja MonsterBaragonMember251 XPNov-17-2019 5:47 AM
Oh, sorry, I don't mind, I just forgot to check back. Pretty much just here, it's the only place I've made an account for. I'm an observer first and a joiner last, so I've been lurking around here, Wikizilla and Toho Kingdom for a little over a year now.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-17-2019 1:50 PM
Yeah, I relate to this so much. I'm constantly on all 3 sides (not seeing the light, the "WTF IS GOING ON ANYMORE" side, and the "gatekeeper" side). I'm trying to center into a combination nowadays... but if I can't do that, I'm just going to try the confused side to avoid being disrespectful lol.
Im DurpBaragonMember478 XPNov-17-2019 4:52 PM
Tbh I don't really dive that hard into the godzilla fandom but this seems like one of the more tame fan communities. Maybe that's because it's so niche but just seems like outside extreme instances this one is pretty easy going.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-17-2019 7:07 PM
Yeah, in the Dinosaurs community, there's these Jurassic World Wars I've heard about... but I've never been able to find. I spent two months when I first signed up going through the Dinosaurs forums almost through its entirety, but no luck. I did find a few minor flame wars, but not the Jurassic World Wars... hopefully one day I can find them. What were we talking about again? Oh yeah, this fandom is kinda tame. Some fandoms have significant instances where they've been given actual names, and much worse, some fandoms across the internet that have such large scale battles on such an often basis that there is no point to naming any of the conflicts. This place, besides the occasional passive aggressive remark, is pretty tame. Hell, it's more tame than real life usually.
Im DurpBaragonMember478 XPNov-18-2019 4:24 AM
I wasn't an active participant in the jw forum but trex vs spino matches were banned for a time o it. I would say that's moreso due to 2 or 3 individuals than the community as a whole.
Overall I feel like a lot of people overeact to discourse meaning the fandom is toxic. As a star wars fan arguably the most "toxic" fandom I don't think it's that bad as long as someone isn't easily offended by comments concerning a fictional world. Of course there have been horrible things said but I don't find that an indication as the fandom as a whole.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-18-2019 8:38 AM
Yeah, the JW community seemed (and still is) to be incredibly nice, from what I read. Still some very minor spats here and there, as with any fandom.
Also, the Star Wars fandom is toxic?
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-18-2019 8:40 AM
Or at least seems toxic?
KattozillaAnguirusMember1447 XPNov-18-2019 9:22 AM
I've never really even seen any Star Wars movies, or anything in the fandom.
Speaking of toxic fandoms....
U n d e r t a l e
MinecraftDinoKaijuTitanosaurusMember968 XPNov-18-2019 9:39 AM
Oh, yeah. I've heard the Star Wars fandom is toxic, but let's not get started with the infamous Sonic fandom, shall we?
Oh, wait. Yes we shall.
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-18-2019 9:44 AM
Gotta go fast.
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-18-2019 9:48 AM
@TheLazyFish I've never been really entrenched into the JP/JW fandom, but hoo-wee did I see some nasty stuff over in the Jurassic Outpost comments pages...
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-18-2019 9:51 AM
And by the way, this is a really great message. Not just for the Godzilla fandom, but for any fanbase. We need more people willing to take a rational approach to debates and discussions like this.
Well said, Mr. Marshall.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-18-2019 9:54 AM
The Dead Souls fanbase is extremely toxic
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-18-2019 9:58 AM
You want toxic? Try political fandoms (that's just what I call them. I can't remember the actual names. But at least most fandoms are self contained! Seriously! With the political areas of the internet, they basically expand to every corner of the internet. They even made a creepypasta video political!)
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-18-2019 10:00 AM
In my experience the Jurassic Park fandom there are three types of Jurassic Park fans
Book Loyalists: Only the books matter to these guys and will hate on any fan who enjoyed the movies including the original Jurassic Park.
First Movie Loyalists: Only the original Jurassic Park movie matters to these guys and will hate anyone who enjoyed the sequels
General Jurassic Park/Jurassic World fans (I am part of this group): Love all of Jurassic Park/World from the books, movies, comics, video games, and game boards.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-18-2019 10:02 AM
I forgot to mention Jurassic Park/World toys
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-18-2019 10:05 AM
@Xenotarsis I think I fall into the General JP/JW fan category. But believe me, I've seen my far share of First Movie Loyalists.
Never seen any Book Loyalists, though.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-18-2019 10:22 AM
Book Loyalist are rare but they do exist, most Book Loyalists from experience were former First Movie Loyalists. They tend to talk about reboot the entire movie continuity not to just be more faithful to the books but be an exact copy of the books.
I feel should they ever re-do the original Jurassic Park novel to any screens, they should make into a TV series rather than a movie due to how content is in the original books.
On a different note: The Transformer community is very toxic, its usually the G1 fans that are the most toxic. They hate Bayformers, they hate Beast Wars, and the rest of the non-G1 transformers
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-18-2019 10:28 AM
"I feel should they ever re-do the original Jurassic Park novel to any screens, they should make into a TV series rather than a movie due to how content is in the original books."
Same here. I'd totally be down for a mini-series adaptation of at least the first book.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-18-2019 10:34 AM
Yes the first book is great. The second book was more or less a Marketing Tie-in for Spielberg next movie. I haven't read the second book yet, I'm re-reading the first book.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-18-2019 10:47 AM
The Second book is probably my favorite book of all time, sometimes I like it more than the original book. It would have made such a good movie man! With the Carnotaurus, and the morphine addictions, and the everything else!
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-18-2019 11:42 AM
How did this turn into a Jurassic park discussion?
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-18-2019 11:44 AM
@Gmkgoji I have no idea. It just sorta...happened, I guess.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-18-2019 12:02 PM
sorry about that, but yeah Transformers has a very toxic community. They invented the term "Ruined Forever"
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-18-2019 12:05 PM
Life finds a way
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-18-2019 12:09 PM
Jurassic world Fallen kingdom.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-18-2019 12:13 PM
Life didn't find a way to make that movie good, though.
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-18-2019 12:16 PM
@TheLazyFish I thought it was okay. Definitely see the problems, but I find it impossible to outright dislike it. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that seeing it was the last thing I did with my high school friends before we all went off to college...
Oh well. At least the music and effects were great. And I absolutely love the Indoraptor.
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-18-2019 12:17 PM
The indoraptor is amazing.
MinecraftDinoKaijuTitanosaurusMember968 XPNov-18-2019 12:19 PM
The Indoraptor was cool, but it was just more like wasted potential with plot armor. So disappointing.
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-18-2019 12:23 PM
I really felt bad for the Indoraptor.
Also, I liked Fallen kingdom, but at the same time, it really didn't have the ending or plot points that I would like to have seen.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-18-2019 12:28 PM
Oops I accidentally called Dark Souls, Dead Souls, Dark Souls has one of the most toxic community for a Video Game
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-18-2019 1:55 PM
Indoraptor had immense potential, but most of its kills were comical, it blimmin smiled, and it lost to a Velociraptor. They really messed up that movie. For a Dinosaur movie, it's really good. For a Jurassic Park movie... yeah, just no. Just... no...
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-18-2019 1:58 PM
But isn't the Jurassic Park movies just a huge homage to Dinosaurs movies in general?
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-18-2019 1:59 PM
@TheLazyFish Honestly, the smile is one of those things that may look goofy at first but then gets creepier when you really think about it.
This isn't a troubled, abused, isolated creature like the I-rex. This is an animal that kills for sport and loves doing it.
But whatever. I love the Indoraptor, smile and all.
MinecraftDinoKaijuTitanosaurusMember968 XPNov-18-2019 2:02 PM
"This is an animal that kills for sport and loves doing it."
But this is essentially the same sort of thinking as the I-rex.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-18-2019 2:09 PM
Back to Godzilla, I don't think its a toxic community but like every fandom some elitist fans can make being a new fan really hard. Say you got into Godzilla fandom by watching Godzilla 1998, a lot of Godzilla fans will try to "correct" them.
I am guilty of this elitism when it comes to Alien, Resident Evil, and recently Star Wars
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-18-2019 2:19 PM
Speaking of the 1998 film, I rewatched it.
THE ACTING IS BAD.
I still think the design is RAD tho
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-18-2019 2:29 PM
Titan come back nooooooooo
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-18-2019 2:30 PM
"Honestly, the smile is one of those things that may look goofy at first but then gets creepier when you really think about it."
I WOULD agree, but I don't because of the comical way they did it. It was absolutely ridiculous. It friggin wagged its tail too! That scene could have been MUCH more intimidating. Say it plays asleep and the hunter comes over, as its about to open the gate, the Indoraptor reaches through and rips off his arm! While the hunter staggers around in pain, the Indoraptor slowly works the arm holding the key to unlock the door. Then it slowly pushes it open and walks towards the hunter, and then kills him like how the Dilophosaurus killed Nedry in the novel, except this time he blinds him by clawing his eyes out. Would it be an R-rated scene? Sure. Would it have been awesome as hell and a great homage? OF COURSE!!! Hell, they might have been able to make the smile creepy, by having the Indoraptor begin to **** a creepy, toothy grin as he watches the hunter try to frantically hold his spilling guts out. The elevator scene could have been done better as well.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-18-2019 2:31 PM
Titan of WaterBaragonMember458 XPNov-18-2019 2:31 PM
Yes I live. The puppy has taken over my life for a week. Things are getting easier, but still got a long way to go.
Titan of WaterBaragonMember458 XPNov-18-2019 2:32 PM
But I love her very much even if she stresses me out a lot of the time. Her ahem is Lia and she’s as cute as a baby angel.
Titan of WaterBaragonMember458 XPNov-18-2019 2:35 PM
How are you guys doing. I voted for Lazy’s idea on the doc btw.
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-18-2019 2:36 PM
We doin good. Hope ur enjoying the company of a new puppy!
Titan of WaterBaragonMember458 XPNov-18-2019 2:37 PM
Jurassic Kaiju is a friend from Wikizilla btw.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-18-2019 2:38 PM
Aw, that's great man! Have fun with your new puppers!
Titan of WaterBaragonMember458 XPNov-18-2019 2:41 PM
I will. Funny story today. I played with her a whole half hour and she was barely tired lol.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-18-2019 2:41 PM
Yeah, puppers are like that lol
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-18-2019 2:42 PM
That sounds really cute and fun.
Titan of WaterBaragonMember458 XPNov-18-2019 2:43 PM
Her nickname is princess Lia since it sounds like Leia.
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-18-2019 2:45 PM
Aww, thats so cute!
Titan of WaterBaragonMember458 XPNov-18-2019 2:46 PM
I apologize for keep going on about her, it’s just so new for me I’ve never had a dog before.
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-18-2019 2:49 PM
Oh no, this is very nice and all. I've never had a dog before either, and this sounds REALLY fun for you.
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-18-2019 4:18 PM
Hey, Titan! Glad to finally be here. :)
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-18-2019 5:03 PM
Welcome outlander (in a Dunmer voice)
MinecraftDinoKaijuTitanosaurusMember968 XPNov-19-2019 8:23 AM
Dogs are cool. :)
But back to Godzilla. Unless it is something like Final Wars, 2014, or even KOTM 2019, there isn't one other fanbase where the majority of fans, old and new, are calm enough to respect the opinions of other fans, regardless of favorites.
KaijuBuildzTitanosaurusMember567 XPNov-19-2019 9:23 AM
I am surprised that our fanbase didn't become toxic after the Anime trilogy. A lot of franchises like Harry Potter, Star Wars, Terminator or DC became toxic after their Directors, writers or producers turned on the fanbase and the Anime trilogy certainly fits that bill.
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-19-2019 9:57 AM
my guess is that we aren't as stoopid as the other fanbases.
MinecraftDinoKaijuTitanosaurusMember968 XPNov-19-2019 11:14 AM
It was because everyone realized that it was bad, even the actual fans of the Anime trilogy. But I believe that KOTM 2019 and GvK will be the movies to make the fanbase toxic, seeing as KOTM 2019 already started to split the fanbase.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-19-2019 11:15 AM
Pfft... KOTM definitely didn't split us.... yeah... definitely didn't split us a little... (chuckles nervously)
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-19-2019 11:21 AM
wait Godzilla 2014 and Shin Godzilla already splited the fanbase
G. H. (Gman)GodzillaAdmin5253 XPNov-19-2019 11:35 AM
Godzilla '98 pissed off the fanbase. Godzilla 2000 split the fanbase about as much as Godzilla '14, Shin Godzilla, etc. The Kiryu Saga split the fanbase. Final Wars enraged and split the fanbase...
This is nothing new guys. In some cases it's tame in comparison to the death threats sent to a certain producer over Godzilla 2000 for being the new "GINO".
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-19-2019 11:38 AM
Just about any movie can split a fan base. Got in a pretty toxic debate with somebody over a video game about the movies. He literally started disliking people for liking anime for no reason than the Godzilla anime was bad. Hell, he even "accused" me of being an anime fan since I said the first one was ok (not really too much of an anime fan tbh. I like some, but definitely nowhere near like anime as I do Godzilla or JP and the such. Death Note and DBZ are awesome though). He literally just insta signed off after accusing me of not being a Godzilla fan at all after calling out his mistake of saying that there are 28 Heisei movies (he probably thought Showa and Millenium were part of Heisei lol). Point is, we literally got into a toxic argument of why I ranked each era a certain way, anime fans, and why I don't consider GVK as a good measurement of quality for the Monsterverse because, you know, IT ISN'T OUT YET. Honestly, sometimes I feel like this is one of the last non-toxic places on Earth.
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-19-2019 11:41 AM
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-19-2019 1:08 PM
Elder Scrolls is probably (or at least when talking about the lore and not the game mechanics) is one of the few non-toxic communities
MinecraftDinoKaijuTitanosaurusMember968 XPNov-19-2019 1:52 PM
You know, I would actually say that one of the least toxic fanbases that I've seen (from what I have seen) is the God of War fanbase. Anybody concur or object? If so, please state it, as I have no qualms with your criticism whatsoever, negative or positive.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-19-2019 2:26 PM
I barely played the first God of War game, so I can't say yay or nay on its community united
Gomi: Ninja MonsterBaragonMember251 XPNov-19-2019 4:40 PM
Backtrack a second, what was so wrong with Godzilla 2000? It's on the slow side at times and the CGI's not great, but how was that movie on the level of '14 and Shin?
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-19-2019 4:43 PM
probably due to Godzilla 2000 having purple crystaline jagged spikes instead of the white-black maple-leaf spikes?
dkGodzillaMember8212 XPNov-19-2019 4:54 PM
Godzilla 98 was a fantastic movie! Admit it- we all love a good food fight every once in a while!
If you don't like '98, then maybe you just have a closed mind and that says more about you than the franchise.
Gomi: Ninja MonsterBaragonMember251 XPNov-19-2019 5:10 PM
Hm, I guess the suit is a big departure from the Heisei era's designs, but after '98? I don't think I'd be complaining too much. Of course I was one of the faster ones to warm up to Shin's design, so it might just be me.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-19-2019 5:15 PM
I actually love just about every Godzilla design I've seen, except for maybe Hanna Barbara, but that's different. My main problem was that I had too high expectations for it so the majority of the movie was kinda disappointing until the very end. From when the spaceship became Orga to the end, it was fantastic.
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-19-2019 5:24 PM
@dk I personally don't like '98 as a whole, but I'd be lying if I said there weren't parts that I really liked. The helicopter and sub chases are some of my favorite moments in the franchise's history.
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-19-2019 5:25 PM
Oh, and the music is great too.
Gomi: Ninja MonsterBaragonMember251 XPNov-19-2019 5:32 PM
I honestly have trouble choosing favorites with Godzilla designs, though the MV versions did just about everything right in my opinion for a pseudo-realistic Godzilla, so I guess that makes them my favorite? Ah, that's probably it, I already knew a lot about the movie before I actually got to watching it, so the pace and lack of fighting was expected. I imagine in theaters that would have been a letdown. Actually, my experience with G'14 would probably be similar to yours with G'2000, except the final battle was so hype I kinda forgave the rest of the movie.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-19-2019 5:46 PM
Monsterverse Godzilla is my favorite design, Godzilla 1998 is my second favorite design, then its Heisei, then shodai goji (1954), then its most of Millennium (2000, Vs Megaguirus, Kiryu Saga), Final Goji, GMK goji, Showa Goji, Anime Goji, Hanna Barabara, then Shin Goji
dkGodzillaMember8212 XPNov-19-2019 5:53 PM
I have not seen every film, but I have always liked the creature design considering the era it was from. For action, I like the creature to be a bit more limber instead of the slow lumbering creature, but that was more due to an actual person trying to navigate in a costume. I like them all.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-19-2019 5:59 PM
I do too I was just listing all my preferred godzilla
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-19-2019 6:15 PM
1998 sucked in my opinion, but as Godzilla The Series proved, the design was awesome and could have made an honorable Godzilla.
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-19-2019 7:03 PM
@Xenotaris I think if I had to pick my top 5 favorite Godzilla designs, they would be:
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-19-2019 7:10 PM
My favorite designs are as follows:
G. H. (Gman)GodzillaAdmin5253 XPNov-19-2019 8:41 PM
Godzilla 2000 perpetuated argument after argument and threats to Toho from fans demanding they bring back Godzilla's skin and ray color. Some fans called the design another "GINO" and the term "Frogzilla" was birthed by unflattering screenshots of the suit.
Many fans also felt it perpetuated a false, western stereotype of Godzilla: He's green and simply breathes fire. This was the first officially green suit and the ray color was the same as flames--Giving the impression that Toho had given in to the stereotype. It didn't help that the purple and green color combination sparked the rare Barney comparison. (Which was a reach.)
It didn't help that it came out the same year as Gamera 3 which was universally praised by fans of the genre. When Godzilla 2000 fell short of that, there was a lot of disappointment. It was panned by both Japanese critics and most American fans who saw it upon release. Additionally, people felt Toho was trying to copy the the Gamera trilogy, ala Godzilla's ray color/power up. Others felt Orga looked a little like Gamera as well. It didn't help that producer Shogo Tomiyama had also pitched Godzilla 2000 as the first of a trilogy, like Gamera.
Clearly, a lot of these criticisms didn't stick. The fanbase was very hypersensitive after the 1998 abortion and any minor deviation in the series was considered "GINO". Many fans seem to like it in hindsight and obviously the new fans aren't old enough to remember the drama.
dkGodzillaMember8212 XPNov-19-2019 9:18 PM
I don't see a reason to hate on the creature design at all. If it looked like the original version these days, people would likely complain that it looked outdated. Yet, some complain that new designs don't hold up to the original.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-20-2019 12:22 AM
I think the godzilla design that resembled the original Godzilla would probably be Godzilla 1984, it was given back its large fangs and ears.
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-20-2019 5:04 AM
@G.H. (Gman) I do remember reading about the "Frogzilla" moniker somewhere. Can't remember where though.
Gomi: Ninja MonsterBaragonMember251 XPNov-20-2019 6:00 AM
Interesting, thanks for the history lesson. Destroy All Monsters Melee was my first exposure to the 2000 design, along with a good portion of Godzilla's rogues gallery, so I never had a problem with it because at that point I had seen two? Three? Three Godzilla movies from the Showa era and most of '98, so all the major designs existed in harmony far as I was concerned. Boy was that initial belief wrong, but as a relatively recent fan I've no problem with any Godzilla designs. It's all Godzilla to me.
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-20-2019 8:05 AM
Admittedly, i'm surprised that older G-fans back in the day were fine with the Hanna-barbera Godzilla.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-20-2019 8:26 AM
Same. But I think it gets some leeway due to being a kids cartoon.
MinecraftDinoKaijuTitanosaurusMember968 XPNov-20-2019 8:57 AM
Were you really? Or were you more baffled at how something could look more uglier and more mutated than Minilla and still be called Godzilla's son (Godzooky)? Now that's the real question.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-20-2019 9:15 AM
I'm more baffled that he had a nephew in the first place, because that implies that not only does he have a sibling, but his sibling has a mate. First of all, where are all these Godzillas coming from? Second of all, what are the odds that two sibling creatures were among a few creatures to have mutated into Godzillas? And third of all, probably most importantly, WHY AREN'T THEY TAKING CARE OF THEIR CHILD AND GODZILLA IS?!!!!
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-20-2019 9:20 AM
@TheLazyFish I think the real question we should be asking is this: if Godzooky is Godzilla's "nephew", then what's up with the Varan-like wings?
G. H. (Gman)GodzillaAdmin5253 XPNov-20-2019 9:21 AM
To be fair, they only mention Godzilla's his uncle once and it's never elaborated on again. Was probably just a figure of speech and there's no real relation between the two--Though it does beg the question where he came from.
As for Godzilla 2000, it was a lot more than just the design that set people off. (One person made a massive stink to note that Godzilla not retaliating against the military while being fired on was very un-Godzilla, and thus, GINO.) The entire project, the way it was received, especially in the aftermath of both Gamera and 1998, really blew the top off in the fandom--**** show.
TheLazyFishRodanMember1630 XPNov-20-2019 9:33 AM
Perhaps something the juveniles of the species have but lose as they get older? Perhaps a mutation Godzilla didn't gain, but his hypothetical sibling and/or their mate did get and passed on to Godzooky? We can only really guess...
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-20-2019 9:41 AM
How does Godzooky have wings?
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-20-2019 9:54 AM
GmkgojiRodanMember1789 XPNov-20-2019 9:55 AM
I mean, they are vestigial-looking. But still, HOW?
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-20-2019 10:16 AM
I liked Godzooky when I was a kid
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-25-2019 6:48 PM
@Xenotarsis We all like the Godzilla offspring when we're kids. Then we grow up and all of a sudden we end up thinking they're ugly.
Except for Godzilla Junior, of course.
XenotarisGiganMember4201 XPNov-25-2019 6:54 PM
I don't think Godzooky is ugly nor Godzilla Junior, now Minilla was ugly as **** when I first saw him
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPNov-25-2019 7:13 PM
@Xenotaris 'Zooky isn't ugly. He's just not what I usually look for in a Godzilla monster.
Junior had a great design in 1995. He actually looked like a juvenile Godzilla, and he was able to fend for himself quite well against Destoroyah for at least that one round.