Gabriel SalomonBaragonMember171 XPMar-16-2020 8:06 PM
Two young girls... Madison is the only child actress in this movie to my knowledge; could she be talking about Maddie and herself? It would seem unlikely, and they're not really children, but could she be referencing the shobijin? Ziyi Zhang is returning
G. H. (Gman)GodzillaAdmin5265 XPMar-16-2020 9:42 PM
"We did a few days [of additional photography], but it wasn’t really crazy. Like every other film, we did a couple days, and that was kind of it. When you do these big, massive films, there’s always moments that you didn’t see and want to fill in. It was really basic stuff. Nothing too crucial or crazy."
Oh, gee. It's almost exactly what I said it was back in January when it was reported and people started freaking out.
Gosh, imagine that.
KoldWarKid62BaragonMember203 XPMar-17-2020 5:19 AM
It's really a Godsend that this got delayed. This could be the Citizen Kane of the MonsterVerse and it would have tanked had it been released now. Not sure how it will do in November or if they'll maintain that same release schedule, but now would be disastrous with people staying away from crowded places.
Moldovan0731BaragonMember130 XPMar-17-2020 7:58 AM
"There’s so much going on, but the heart of it is two young girls as well, which is such a positive message for society nowadays."
This has me a bit concerned. My biggest nightmare about Godzilla vs Kong is that it will go woke. I may have become a bit paranoid because of various recent movies though.
JurassicKaiju14TitanosaurusMember616 XPMar-17-2020 8:22 AM
Moldovan0731 It's a movie about a radioactive dinosaur and a big monkey getting into a fight. How woke can they possibly make it?
Gabriel SalomonBaragonMember171 XPMar-17-2020 10:07 AM
Godzilla movies have always had political undertones and messages. There are more characters than just Godzilla and Kong, and a subplot including female empowerment is possible. I remember in an interview with Vera Farmiga last year, she mentioned that KotM passed the Bechdel Test (I think that's what its called), and this movie may expand upon that. I myself do not want this to happen; it would would be unnecessary, forced, and the movie would lose sight of the most important part of its story.
G. H. (Gman)GodzillaAdmin5265 XPMar-17-2020 1:42 PM
The original King Kong vs. Godzilla was a blatant assault on the post-war Japanese, white-collar lifestyle and a salary man satire criticizing Japan's new norm with capitalism.
Questioning how relevant or preachy they can make any movie is a mistake.
G. H. (Gman)GodzillaAdmin5265 XPMar-17-2020 1:46 PM
Also, why is everyone raising their red flags over two ladies being the core of the story? As if that's never happened before.
Gamera: Guardian of the Universe
Gamera 3: The Revenge of Iris
Godzilla x Megaguirus
Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
Godzilla x MechaGodzilla
Not to mention the countless times women have played pivotal roles in the genre.
Moldovan0731BaragonMember130 XPMar-17-2020 3:09 PM
Oh, you're really going to pretend to not know what we're talking about? Having two girls/women as main characters is fine IF they're not executed the way several female main characters are executed nowadays in Hollywood.
Gabriel SalomonBaragonMember171 XPMar-17-2020 5:43 PM
G. H. (Gman)
It was ideas and speculation. Sure, in the end, the subject of two young girls being a big part of the film will probably be the most unimportant/uninteresting topic of the movie, but before we actually get good, descriptive information, there's not much to talk about.
G. H. (Gman)GodzillaAdmin5265 XPMar-17-2020 5:56 PM
It's panic for the sake of it. Besides, at what point have Legendary's movies gone, "the unholy specter of woke" route? Not just the Monsterverse, I mean just about any of Legendary's movies.
Even if it did, that doesn't mean the movie's quality will take a nose dive. It's merely a mark of the times and another thing that will be looked back on in film texts for this decade of cinema. Identity politics is absolutely the last thing I'm concerned about for Godzilla vs. Kong--In fact, don't think it even makes the list of concerns at all.
That said, I fully welcome the idea of two leading ladies taking center stage. Worked for Gamera, GMK, the Kiryu Saga, etc.
Moldovan0731BaragonMember130 XPMar-18-2020 2:26 AM
"Even if it did, that doesn't mean the movie's quality will take a nose dive."
Are you serious? Just about every woke movie did that (woke movies are preachy).
Im DurpBaragonMember478 XPMar-18-2020 5:07 AM
What movies would be classified as "woke"?
Moldovan0731BaragonMember130 XPMar-18-2020 5:54 AM
Ghostbusters 2016, the Batwoman series, Charlie's Angels 2019, Birds of Prey, etc.
GojiJonesy91Mothra LarvaeMember26 XPMar-18-2020 6:00 AM
I just knew as soon as this article came out that a select few will zero in on the two girls bit and freak out. I understand concerns but this is really the first real morsel of information we've had and it only piques my interest.
And like some who've been invested in the franchise for a very long time will tell you, worrying about a Kaiju film series who's very origin was a political statement suddenly getting political is missing the forest for the trees.
I didn't see alarms going off when the cast kept getting announced for GvK and each new entry provided more diversity to the cast, and that's probably because KOTM had just as rich a cast and nobody cared.
Even recent legendary production Jurassic world: fallen kingdom had three prominent female characters that impacted the story and ba strong conservation message but I didn't see to many concerns about that. So I'm sure this GvK tidbit isn't a cause for alarm either.
Hope we get a trailer eventually to actually see what this film will be like.
Moldovan0731BaragonMember130 XPMar-18-2020 6:36 AM
Well, those were done tastefully/well, and they didn't really talk about it. When stuff like this is talked about, it's usually a bad sign, but let's hope it's not in this case.
Gabriel SalomonBaragonMember171 XPMar-18-2020 8:57 AM
Oh yes they were, or at least KotM. Several times the director, Michael Dougherty talked about all the "badass female characters" in the movie and how excited he was about that. Vera Farmiga said in an interview that the film passed the Bechdel Test, meaning the movie consists of at least two female characters who don't ever talk about another guy.
However, it's not so much like that in the movie. There is diversity and technacly some strong female characters (like those in G-Team), but there aren't any reoccuring themes concerning female empowerment in the movie. I personally don't want any forced themes in GvK, but I'm not really concerned that there will be, and even if there are, it's probably the least of the problems that could occur in the film.
Also, don't forget that it can be done well without being preachy or forced: think Alien/Aliens and Ready Or Not.
G. H. (Gman)GodzillaAdmin5265 XPMar-18-2020 11:31 AM
Moldovan0731 seems to be tossing the "woke" moniker for anything he deems bad without any real thought, especially within context of this matter. I doubt he caught on to what was or was not spoken about specific movies with progressive stances. (Like, y'know, the majority of the Godzilla series...)
Moldovan0731BaragonMember130 XPMar-18-2020 11:44 AM
Which of the three movies and the series I listed weren't woke? I'm pretty sure all of those were.
G. H. (Gman)GodzillaAdmin5265 XPMar-18-2020 12:37 PM
So were Get Out, Black Panther, hell, WALL-E fits the tag and it predates the term. So no. Being "woke" does not torpedo quality, and last I checked Birds of Prey was very well liked.
Moldovan0731BaragonMember130 XPMar-18-2020 7:03 PM
Never mind, this made me calm down: https://youtu.be/KlFGgBkhvms