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Which Alligator the new Godzilla came from.

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Gojira2K

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 4:50 PM

Is it just me or does this look like the new Godzilla?

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Maybe Godzilla came from the Chinese Alligator. What do you think?

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29 Responses to Which Alligator the new Godzilla came from.

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 5:03 PM

we can't just think straight away that he is a mutant crocodile/alligator, his scales/skin are probably is based on the crocodilia family but thats because that species has the toughest armour that nauture has shown. he still looks more dinosaur than crocodile

Gojira2K

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 5:19 PM

I'm just saying if he was a mutant alligator I think this were he came from because it's body, including the belly, is completely armored just like Godzilla would have to be to withstand are weaponry. All i'm saying is that if he did come an Alligator this is probaply the one he came from.

"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self." - Ernest Hemingway.

The-True-Batman

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 5:22 PM

This Godzilla is going to be realistic and stick to the source material, meaning the behemoth you see in the movie is what he always was. He isn't mutating from anything, that would be unrealistic. Besides, he's most likely a dinosaur because of how he is structured. They took the strongest properties of animals, and meshed them together on Godzilla. 

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 5:32 PM

well 'if' (not saying he is) decended from a crocodila then i would say one from asia or maybe an extinct species.

also that chinese aligator does have 'some' similarities

Gojira2K

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 5:36 PM

I agree with you True-Batman that he will probably be a dinosaur and yeah him mutating is unrealistic. I only made this because the Chinese Alligator looked like him to me and I thought this might be were he came if he was mutated.

"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self." - Ernest Hemingway.

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 5:40 PM

ok muatating may seem unrealistic but so is the hulk and NO one compalins about that being unrealistic, no one is really going to care if he is a muation or not, the muation thing is the only way to get a explaination on his size as no living creature can reach that size natually in this life time.

dinoboy22

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 5:49 PM

wasnt godzilla always a mutant? i thought it was explained that he was a mutated godzillasaur

TheGMan123

TitanosaurusMember729 XPFeb-01-2014 5:50 PM

Mutating in the way people normally think is usually quite unrealistic. There is another way though........I won't get into that one for the time being. The discussion at hand is Godzilla's crocodilian features. Really, that's kind of a more general evolutionary trait that lots of prehistoric reptilians going on crocodilians/dinosaurs had. If anything, either a crocodilian-esque dinosaur or early ancestral archosaur is the best candidate for origin species for Godzilla. As long as some form of radiation of the nuclear variety existed in some form to create it in the past from whatever period it came from.

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 5:59 PM

really if this new godzilla is not a mutant then therefore he shouldn't have the atomic breath, but we know he has so he must be a mutant. i don't think the mutation part will be the realistic part of godzilla, if there is anything this godzilla will be realistic will be its skin texture, i dont even think we will ever know his true origins in this movie, it will probably be scientific theories in the movie.

Akagi

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 6:11 PM

I don't think he'll be mutated at all. I think he'll be an ancient creature. 

He is 350ft Tall people, those things on his neck ARE gills, and the Brazil photo is part of the final advertising design-- Deal with it.

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 6:14 PM

then how do they fit the nuclear radiation theme to the movie. and yess nuclear power and radiation is in this movie (fukishima allegory expected)

TheGMan123

TitanosaurusMember729 XPFeb-01-2014 6:27 PM

Oh, he's a mutant alright. He just didn't start off quite well with those first few mutations due to radiation that naturally occurred. He may have even "died" a few times before those nuclear anomalies got it right. Whatever features from his previous existance worked better were readapted to fit in a larger and much stronger framework that could accomodate such enormous sizes that nature can't produce through mere normal evolution (as far as we know anyway).

Once such feature is something likely similar to the bony scutes across a crocodilian's skin, which several archosaurs and dinosaurs also had in some form. Others are a product of the reworking of the genetic code to use pure nuclear energy as a source of sustenance, weaponry, and the likes. Fukushima was a terribly bad nuclear disaster, rivalling the bombing of Hiroshima in an environmental sense, and also likely garnered a similar "dinner time" response from Godzilla back in 1954, similar to how many animals can tell when the season of bountiful resources to feast approaches.

And that is how Godzilla, his nuclear-created body, Fukushima, and the movie could possibly all factor in.

Akagi

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 7:13 PM

Gman123; I want to know how you know for a fact he's a mutant?

 

Everything Edwards has said sounds like Godzilla is nature's 'answer', meaning that he's probably existed long before our medling. 

If you go by the possibly fake leaked script, hes not mutated, only 'changed' by the bomb. 

If you go by the earliest film descriptions on the internet-- they describe him as an ancient monster that awakens.

Not hinting at all that he is a mutation.

I could be wrong-- but thus far, I haven't seen one hint that he was a mutation. If I am incorrect, I'll be the first to admit it, but so far... nothing suggests this besides wild fan speculation and I'm going to trust Edwards' own words more than fan theories. 

He is 350ft Tall people, those things on his neck ARE gills, and the Brazil photo is part of the final advertising design-- Deal with it.

dinoboy22

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 7:30 PM

i always thought that he was awakened and mutated. i think what they mean by "natures answer" is basically that we messed nuclear technology without thinking of what could happen if we used said technology and it backfires and creates something that in a way is natures wrath

Akagi

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 8:26 PM

Dinoboy22

 

That is all fine and good, but until I know for a fact that he is a mutation, I'm going to go with the ancient creature assumption. He was only an ancient creature in the original film that was awakened by the bomb (and scarred) but not mutated. 

He is 350ft Tall people, those things on his neck ARE gills, and the Brazil photo is part of the final advertising design-- Deal with it.

doggiezilla

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 9:57 PM

I think if Godzilla was a alligator he would have a longer jaw.

Kyero

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 10:34 PM

You know what they say about the word "assumption" right AKAGI? Don't assume, unless you want people pulling out that "makes an ass of you and me" bit on you.

Anyway, as far as the whole alligator/crocodile thing, I doubt it.

Godzilla has never been confirmed to have officially been anything. Toho was deliberately vague on his exact origins and conception. The moment they say "he IS this" they demystify Godzilla. If that happens, he loses not only some of his mystique and awe, but it also opens the floodgates for people to say "that's just dumb."

If Legendary is smart, they will do the same thing Toho did and simply say "Here he is! You humans messed up and woke him up and now he's going to kick your ass!"

The less we know about Godzilla's exact origins, the better. Trying to identify what he is by comparing him to modern day animals is not going to get you anywhere, so my advice would be to leave it alone and just accept the fact that nobody knows exactly what he is or what he's supposed to be. The original creators and art directors of the original Gojira film were inspired by T-Res, Stegosaurus, Iguanadon, and the image of a modern alligator to blen their features and create something of a chimera, but even then that doesn't mean that he IS any of those creatures.

So yeah, just leave it be. Godzilla is simply Godzilla, and that's all we need to know.

Kyero

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 10:34 PM

You know what they say about the word "assumption" right AKAGI? Don't assume, unless you want people pulling out that "makes an ass of you and me" bit on you.

Anyway, as far as the whole alligator/crocodile thing, I doubt it.

Godzilla has never been confirmed to have officially been anything. Toho was deliberately vague on his exact origins and conception. The moment they say "he IS this" they demystify Godzilla. If that happens, he loses not only some of his mystique and awe, but it also opens the floodgates for people to say "that's just dumb."

If Legendary is smart, they will do the same thing Toho did and simply say "Here he is! You humans messed up and woke him up and now he's going to kick your ass!"

The less we know about Godzilla's exact origins, the better. Trying to identify what he is by comparing him to modern day animals is not going to get you anywhere, so my advice would be to leave it alone and just accept the fact that nobody knows exactly what he is or what he's supposed to be. The original creators and art directors of the original Gojira film were inspired by T-Res, Stegosaurus, Iguanadon, and the image of a modern alligator to blen their features and create something of a chimera, but even then that doesn't mean that he IS any of those creatures.

So yeah, just leave it be. Godzilla is simply Godzilla, and that's all we need to know.

TheGMan123

TitanosaurusMember729 XPFeb-01-2014 10:35 PM

Oh, Godzilla is definitely a mutant, but not in a traditional sense. And he's also definitely a product of nature, but also not in a traditional sense. There is such a thing as naturally occurring nuclar radiation, but it's in smaller concentrations and takes longer to mutate a creature. Of course, the creature has to have died from it first, be completely preserved by it, revived by it, have its entire genetic and structural build be reorganized for increased adaptability and self-induced evolution by it, and then finally be allowed to grow and become a Kaiju. Godzilla, obviously, is the prime example of a creature that cannot occur through normal evolution, but was also completely and naturally made from the forces of nature itself to create a force of nature in a living form. And human-produced nuclear radiation is much more concentrated and wholesome to absorb than that natural stuff, and so induces the creature's evolution further, thus resulting in the modern Legendary Godzilla.

King Godzilla24.7

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-01-2014 11:50 PM

This is kind of irrelevant even though it's just assuming in case he was, but in the end he is not related to any crock.

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King GhidorahAdmin19646 XPFeb-02-2014 1:31 AMTeam Ghidorah

You know what guys, it's not crazy to assume the OP is accurate. Look at Godzilla's face  scale pattern, specifically on his legs. And let's not forget the hands... They look very crocodilian in nature. We know Godzilla will have a flashback scene to 1954.. Perhaps it explains Godzilla's origin in a new way - where he IS a mutated croc. Croca have small, "spike like" protrusions along their back, which could mutate and deform to create Godzilla's iconic back plates. The thing is Godzilla is a force of nature, and certain aspects can not be explained scientifically. But considering Godzilla's had a few different origins throughout his film career it's not out of the question that this one is a mutation of either an existing Alligator or a hidden, unknown species. But the new design is heavily inspires by Alligators, no denying that. 

Like a Bossk

Mothra LarvaeMember8 XPFeb-02-2014 10:46 AM

I don't understand how people are thorwing around the word realistic and unrealistic.  It's a movie and its allowed to stretch the boundries of realism.  No one should be bashed for coming up with theories on how Godzilla came to be because they are "unrealistic" because any theory you come up with is a made up story also.  Personally, I like the idea that Godzilla is an acient creature that was awoken and then slightly mutated by the nuclear exposure.  I feel like that explains his nuclear breath best.

Saitama

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-23-2014 4:22 PM

Godzilla is a mutated godzillasaurus! HAVE YOU WATCHED godzilla vs KG and Gojira?

everyone knows that he is a dinosaur!

I don't know what to put here 

Madison

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-23-2014 4:33 PM

I hope he isn't a dinosaur in 2014. The idea of it is, and always has been, just ludicrously absurd. A creature staying alive that many millions of years, breeding without notice, but always one individual at a time? or a single ancient organism that is just really old? Evolving to not only survive changes in temperature but figuring out how to a breath a different air?

And then gets mutated by nuclear testing anyway?

Like having an animal (any animal) get mutated into a giant monster by a radioactive event is a stretch where you have to engage your willing suspension of disbelief in and of itself, no matter what kind of creature it is.

To say that the animal in question which gets mutated ALSO happens to be a dinosaur that somehow has survived unnoticed during the entire history of man adds a second layer of unnecessary and frankly even more preposterous willing suspension of disbelief.

Godzilla has had multiple origin stories over the years, with the dinosaur version sadly being the most common. If they explain Godzilla's origins in 2014 (which I'd be fine if they don't) I hope they either do a mutation of a modern animal, or invent an entirely new theory, or really anything but try and cram 'He's a mutated dinosaur' down our throats again. 

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4209 XPFeb-23-2014 4:51 PMTeam Ghidorah

The beautiful thing about the original film is that it was clear he was some sort ancient creature or evolved dinosaur, but there is no detail to it. It's very plush. The absurdities of the origin are acceptable because it's so vague and the specifics are left out, leaving behind a void of horror for the imagination.

I would prefer a vague, dinosaur-esque origin because it's more inherit to the monster's origins-- I think it still works today because of how loose it is. There's a certain creepiness about where Godzilla specifically came from simply because his background is so muddled.

Dr. Yamane in the film is more concerned about how Godzilla survived such exposure to radioactivity than he is anything else-- Suggesting perhaps this creature is some evolved decendant (which he explicitly theorizes) of the dinosaurs that had developed some sort of immunity to radiation. Did he? Was he something entirely different before the bombs woke him? Did his evolution provide some sort of imperviousness to radioactivity? We'll never know. It's that same creepy, mysteriousness behind Godzilla that helps make him believable and elevates his status to something above science to the untrained. It's also more interesting than simply saying he was mutated from a dinosaur or a modern animal. I hope Edwards factors that in and keeps Godzilla's origins fairly loose.

 

"None of this makes any sense, it doesn't really matter. We just needed an excuse for them to do something and they had to go somewhere." - Adam Wingard

godzillafan1995

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-23-2014 5:03 PM

ok i understand now, it is true that in gojira he is not stated as a mutation, he is said to be a ancient creature or as Dr Yamane says a cross between dinosaur and marine reptile that was not only woken up by the h-bomb tests but scared by the tests as well, the bombs making him radioactive, giving him a monstrous weapon and painfully distirbing his peaceful slumber. his extact origin was vague and that was a good thing as well.

Madison

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-23-2014 5:17 PM

I do agree they should keep his origins vague, regardless of what they decide they should be. I think part of the POINT of Godzilla is the mystery of the creature; an element of nature that eludes man's understanding. 

Also, as far as the dinosaur origins go, the 1954 film at least gets a partial pass that some of the other films do not enjoy. Our understanding of dinosaurs and geologic time was very uninformed back then. Most of our modern understanding of dinosaurs and paleontology did not develop until the 1960's.

At the time, few countries had paleontology programs, and it was not an incredibly popular science even in the countries which did have programs. One can hardly criticize the filmmakers for not being up to date on the latest breakthroughs in the field. Their understanding of dinosaurs may have been 20-30 years or more out of date with the scientific community, who themselves had a fairly primitive understanding. 

Anyone filmmakers in the 1970's or later though really just should have known better. I imagine though they were slightly hand-tied due to the assertions made in the 1954 film. At least that's how I rationalize it to myself. I'd rather believe that, than believe the director is willing to insult our intelligence just because it's a 'monster movie'.

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4209 XPFeb-23-2014 5:57 PMTeam Ghidorah

Well, a few things: Tokusatsu got "absurd" really quick by the 1960s, but it wisely embraced the absurdities which helped it become so popular and ultimately defined the entire style. Absurd doesn't mean "bad", it's simply a choice and direction most producers and filmmakers went with at the time. And ultimately it worked. Thus things like Baragon and Titanosaurus became status quo instead of deliberately insulting. In the face of aliens, super-military weapons and psuedo-science they were comparitively easier to buy.

The Heisei series still has the same level of absurdity, it just has a harder time balancing it with the tone they were going for. In the case of Godzillasaurus, (which was only brought to the Godzilla mythos in 1991 and should not be considered the origin of the original monster -- sadly it is) we're met with an extension of theories from the original movie that are now overexplained with a laundry list of screenplay issues. In that movie specifically, I can buy the Godzillasaurus because of the surrounding elements that are also involved. Ironically, alot of those elements (time travel) are so full of flaws that it makes the dinosaur even easier to swallow.

"None of this makes any sense, it doesn't really matter. We just needed an excuse for them to do something and they had to go somewhere." - Adam Wingard

Madison

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPFeb-23-2014 6:19 PM

Yeah I basically agree with most of that. Just because a movie is absurd doesn't mean it is bad. It's even part of the appeal of many popular modern TV/Movie franchises like Dr. Who or The Expendables.

It may just be a pet peeve of mine, but the dinosaur component of Godzilla is just a particular absurdity that has always ruffled my feathers. I'm less willing to forgive it than others.

That being said, I grew up on Showa era Godzilla and always enjoyed it. I actually didn't even know very much about the Heisei films until AFTER Godzilla 1998/Godzilla 2000 came out. After those movies I started seeing more Godzilla VHS/DVD's at in the states, and seeing more Godzilla movies on TV, like Godzilla vs Biollante and Godzilla 1985. So my whole introduction and passion for Godzilla was almost entirely started by Showa movies. As a result, I would be lying if I said I haven't embraced their silliness to a degree.

Nowadays, I do prefer the more serious Godzilla films. But I still appreciate the old school Showa cheesiness. 

 

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