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Godzilla 2014's substitute for G-cells!

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GiganModerator3811 XPSep-04-2014 6:58 PMTeam Godzilla

Hi, so i believe most of us know (However it hasnt been confirmed) That Godzilla 2014 doesnt have G-Cells.

Well we all know that Godzilla goes down to the bottom of the sea to absorb the radiation, thus healing his wounds.

Well that is true and does indeed happen, Godzilla 2014 has a even more unique healing mechanism.

I read a few months ago and recently came up on an article where Gareth edwards and i think...Max borenstein? Said why Godzilla has those granite like skin texture.

Godzilla 2014 has been through alot of Muto battles, as stated that Godzilla doesnt just have these rock like scale's for aesthetic but it actually is the healing of wounds.

You know how when you cut your finger, after like 2 weeks its healed back swell?

Wait let me do another one.

Say you fall and scrape your knee really bad (Knock on wood) After a few months there is a scar there?

Imagine that but after being stabbed and bitten by giant creatures that want to kill you.

Godzilla 2014's scales have a mechanism within them that to heal up on a wound creates a rock scale that cant be broken by Mutos.

Also these Granite scales cant be re broken. So the more Godzilla gets harmed soon he will become indestructible. However that part is not confirmed to be true, im going to use it though.

So in Godzilla 2 expect alot more of granite texture, if Gareth wants to stay consistent!

I hope you all enjoyed my theory.

Good grief.

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26 Responses to Godzilla 2014's substitute for G-cells!

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Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPSep-04-2014 7:08 PM

Good theory

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4775 XPSep-04-2014 7:25 PMTeam Ghidorah

I mean, good theory I suppose, but I think I'm just going to go with, "he gets wounded and doesn't have super regenerative capabilities." It makes him more like the Showa Godzilla, who didn't have G-Cells and was just a tough fighter.

Granted, it doesn't make either one the most powerful of Godzillas, but it does make for more determined Godzillas who have to consider getting injured in battle and how to avoid it-- Unlike the Heisei and some Millennium Godzillas.

I'm also getting a little tired of the outside information about these monsters from the new movie. If Godzilla and the MUTO are capable of certain things that weren't seen nor explained onscreen then why bother bringing it up? The Star Trek franchise has a rule: If it's not seen or explained on-screen, it's not cannon. I'm sticking to my guns with that one for Godzilla. If the new Godzilla has "scab scales" or some weird power sack people keep going on about then they need to convey it in the movie. Not some book or interview only a quarter of the fanbase will read. [/soapbox]

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPSep-04-2014 7:27 PM

Well it is true that generally when the body sustains an injury the cells that rebuild it make the tissue stronger than it was before

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4775 XPSep-04-2014 7:30 PMTeam Ghidorah

^Yeah, it just kind of sounds like a generic scab to me.

Although Gorilla makes a piont that the G-Cell thing has yet to be confirmed either. They could always write that into a sequel. But right now all we have to go on is the current movie, in which case, no he doesn't.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

JRR

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPSep-04-2014 7:30 PM

So your theory is that it regenerate like a normall animal?

Evacuate?, Godzilla is just a Legend!-Woman in GMK

Kumonga65

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPSep-04-2014 8:35 PM

Cool.

Sando337

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPSep-04-2014 8:59 PM

Nice theory, well thought out.

 

But can I know why everyone is obsessed with the G-Cells?

Yes it makes Godzilla near immortal, but what happend to being a tough-as-nails, knock-down, drag-out hoss?

TheGMan123

TitanosaurusMember729 XPSep-04-2014 11:23 PM

Well, I guess it's just an ingrained part of Godzilla history people like, and want to see return on the big screen. Personally, I'm fine with them not being around, because Godzilla was good enough without them. Plus, I do really like this "tougher scab armour" idea. It's almost as cool as way back in the day when I first speculated that the new Godzilla's atomic breath would really be him using his radiation stores to super-ionize gases into plasma C:

Sci-Fi King25

GiganMember4297 XPSep-05-2014 4:32 AM

Interesting theory, but I don't really like the concept of soon Godzilla being full-out indestructible.

 

“Banana oil.”- George Takei, Gigantis: The Fire Monster

Teen Tyrant

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPSep-05-2014 5:35 AM

Every Godzilla has G-cells. They are, indeed, Godzilla's cells. Godzilla has always had a healing factor, it was just explored in-depth only in the Heisei series and briefly in the Millenium series. In Godzilla vs. Gigan, his shoulder and face are sliced open, but, although the blood remains, you can see that he does not have an open wound a short while later. In Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla, when Mechagodzilla busts his neck open, he stops bleeding from it pretty quick and seems to be fine shortly afterward. Godzilla has always had a regeneration system. In the Heisei series, it's made more signifiant to bring a more scientific view to how Godzilla's system works, and so they are given the official codename of G-cells, but that doesn't mean they only apply to the Heisei series. In Godzilla 2000, the Organizer G-1 is introduced as the agent his cells produce to heal themselves, but who is to say that every version of Godzilla has not had this?

I think 2014 Godzilla has this same thing, in addition to what was described in the original post here. I highly doubt that he sustained no injury from the H-Bomb detonated in his face in 1954, so he had to have healed from that, and since there's no scar tissue, that means full regeneration capabilities. It's part of what Godzilla is that he heals fast, so this one should be no different, assuming something can physically hurt him at all.

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4775 XPSep-05-2014 9:09 AMTeam Ghidorah

Teen Tyrant,
Godzilla's regenerative abilities were not written into the character nor explored until Godzilla vs. Biollante. The Showa Godzilla did not have a healing factor, he was just tough. Now Toho may have retconned this today-- I have no doubt they might say in official stats that Godzilla has always had a healing factor, but that's simply not true.

Murata and Sekizawa never wrote a healing factor into any of their Godzilla scripts and it creates a massive plot holes for films like Godzilla vs. Gigan and Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla. If the "blood is still stained, but his wounds are healed" argument held any weight at all we would have continued to see blood on Godzilla and SpaceGodzilla stained in the Heisei series. That wasn't the case, however. Even if it were true you have to explain away the fact that his deformed eye and melted hand did not super regenerate in Godzilla vs. Hedorah. Nor did his wounds regenerate in GMK and he had scar, described as a weak point, in Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S.

Some Godzillas simply don't have the super-healing factor-- Which is fine. He becomes a little too invincible when that trait shows up.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

GG

GiganModerator3811 XPSep-05-2014 9:17 AMTeam Godzilla

Thank you Durpoo and Gman for liking my theory, rare you guys actually think i did a good job on these types of things xD.

And yes to Gman as Godzilla hasnt always had the G-Cells, they werent added until Biollante.

The Showa Godzilla relied on his strategy and physically overpowering his foe, not just completely overpowered healing, but being able to actually withstand the beating like Godzilla 2014.

Heisei and Millenium made Godzilla way to overpowered for his own good.

And Heisei wasnt any where near a good fighter like Showa, and millenium, well the only good fighter in millenium is Final wars. But that can be debated as he mainly used his breath and when he fought an actual opponent that fought him back, he got owned.

Basically, in the heisei and millenium series, they made Godzilla's Atomic Breath his only real attack, he would punch and kick and leap on opponents, like the Showa.

So basically Showa could defeat Heisei and Millenium in solo none atomic breath combat.

Maybe even Godzilla 2014 could step to Heisei in melee and beat him.

Good grief.

GG

GiganModerator3811 XPSep-05-2014 9:19 AMTeam Godzilla

wouldnt*

Good grief.

KManX89

Mothra LarvaeMember10 XPSep-05-2014 9:49 AM

If not your traditional G-cells, then certainly some form of cellular activity that allows him to regenerate scar tissue (how else would he be able to do that), right? Plus, they're cells belonging to Godzilla, so they might as well call them G-cells (which is short for Godzilla cells, last I checked) even if they don't operate quite the same.

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4775 XPSep-05-2014 10:07 AMTeam Ghidorah

The thing is if the Heisei Godzilla can one-hit KO a monster from another universe, he doesn't need to be a better fighter. Lets not forget this is the monster that lifted a 150,000 ton MechaGodzilla by its head... horizontally... and then threw it...

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

TheGMan123

TitanosaurusMember729 XPSep-05-2014 10:58 AM

Well, that's kind of like what GorillaGodzilla was getting at, KManx89 :/

You know, all living organisms heal up if given time and no major stress on injury areas. However, with GG's theory of the whole "scab armor process", it would be a good and much more likely expansion on the normal abilities of the body, plus it serves quite well on a practical sense too. Being able to recover from your wounds not only healed, but actually tougher because of it is a great survival advantage.

In fact, if this theory were true, I could see it being used as a reason why Godzilla in his sequels will be stronger than before when facing powerful opponents like King Ghidorah himself.

Teen Tyrant

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPSep-05-2014 12:52 PM

"Godzilla's regenerative abilities were not written into the character nor explored until Godzilla vs. Biollante. The Showa Godzilla did not have a healing factor, he was just tough. Now Toho may have retconned this today-- I have no doubt they might say in official stats that Godzilla has always had a healing factor, but that's simply not true."

Whether it was "written in" or not is irrelevant. What you are referring to is simply the mention of it being made. The fact is that in the films themselves, irrespective of what anyone says about them as they were written or directed, Godzilla's wounds healed in Gigan and Mechagodzilla.

"If the "blood is still stained, but his wounds are healed" argument held any weight at all we would have continued to see blood on Godzilla and SpaceGodzilla stained in the Heisei series"

Incorrect. That is simply a result of production, like catching a glimpes of the wires or zippers on the monster costumes. A healed wound would not make the blood disappear from the skin, so even assuming that your statement is correct, and I am not saying it is, it still provides no explanation for why the blood would be gone from Godzilla and SpaceGodzilla after their injuries healed.

"Even if it were true you have to explain away the fact that his deformed eye and melted hand did not super regenerate in Godzilla vs. Hedorah. Nor did his wounds regenerate in GMK and he had scar, described as a weak point, in Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S."

That was massive burn damage. That takes longer to heal from than a simple cut or puncture wound, which would only have to have the torn tissue sealed back up. Damage like what Hedorah's burns did would take hours, perhaps days to heal on that order. Godzilla is not like Wolverine and able to heal up in seconds. It takes time for anything but the most superficial wounds, otherwise Biollante and Orga would have grown their pieces back immediately. As for GMK, same principle, as the tear in his shoulder would take a while to heal, and then when everything but his heart was left, well, that will take a much longer time to grow back. The fact that his heart was still beating was the indicator that his body was going to grow back around it. Tokyo S.O.S. now, the wound that had the scar tissue was caused by the absolute zero cannon, and so it is a special wound. It could easily have negated proper regeneration over that area, requiring a more traditional healing process to take place which would include scar tissue.

 

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4775 XPSep-05-2014 1:30 PMTeam Ghidorah

Whether it was "written in" or not is irrelevant. What you are referring to is simply the mention of it being made. The fact is that in the films themselves, irrespective of what anyone says about them as they were written or directed, Godzilla's wounds healed in Gigan and Mechagodzilla.

There is no do***entation, proof or consideration from Tanaka, Murata, Sekizawa, Honda, Fukuda and, above all, Tsuburaya that Godzilla ever had regenerative properties in the Showa series. The idea for super regenerative powers was not brought into the Godzilla mythology until 1989 by Kazuki Omori. To ignore this is to completely disregard the intents of the filmmakers. So if it was never thought of, written or considered by the filmmakers before 1989, exactly how does he have them?

That is simply a result of production, like catching a glimpes of the wires or zippers on the monster costumes.

The problem is the same can be said for your argument. When the blood washes off of Godzilla toward the end of Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla it was stock footage that was used to show him rising from the ocean.

That was massive burn damage. That takes longer to heal from than a simple cut or puncture wound, which would only have to have the torn tissue sealed back up.

Now you're splitting hairs. Biollante sprayed Godzilla down with acid and he looked fine.

Godzilla is not like Wolverine and able to heal up in seconds.

The holes in Godzilla's hand and shoulder after Biollante vines impaled both pretty much prove this statement incorrect. Or is it another convenient production error?

As for GMK, same principle, as the tear in his shoulder would take a while to heal

So the the open wound tears in Godzilla vs. Biollante heal in mere seconds, but in GMK you're explaining it away to be a different wound? Inconsistant argument.

Tokyo S.O.S. now, the wound that had the scar tissue was caused by the absolute zero cannon, and so it is a special wound.

Except much of this is fan conjecture. There's no proof in the film that the Absolute Zero weapon had any more or less of an effect on G-Cells than any other weapon-- Largely because the mere idea of Godzilla's regenerative properties are either ignored or don't exist in this timeline. And considering Tezuka was calling back to much of the Showa series, he likely ignored the notion of regenerative properties.

As for GMK-- Many of the film's visuals are made for metaphor, not the niche, psuedo-science that both Toho and fans enjoy playing in. I don't recognize Godzilla's heart a sign of regeneration, simply a sign that the spirits are still unhappy with the way the world turned and that Godzilla will return... in some form or another.

 

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

TheGMan123

TitanosaurusMember729 XPSep-05-2014 1:52 PM

Anyways......... getting back to the original topic, GG states that eventually, with enough wounds healing up over time all across his body, this latest Godzilla could potentially become naturally one of the toughest Goji-iterations around. It could prove to be a good way to prep LegendaryGoji for his upcoming battles with enemies far tougher than the MUTOs, ones who could oppose him one-on-one.

Also, his plasma breath is no longer being impaired by EMPs, so it's definitely gotta be stronger next time around. Who knows? It might just be enough to make roasted King Ghidorah :D

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPSep-05-2014 2:00 PM

Yes assuming this theory gets implemented and the electric sack theory is cannon then he could end up being a little higher in terms of godzilla incarnations with power.

GG

GiganModerator3811 XPSep-05-2014 2:03 PMTeam Godzilla

Also not to mention but.

If you look at his battles with the Mutos and the millitary bridge scene.

He wasnt being effected by stabs in the areas that the rock texture was in, he would turn around and fight the Muto with no damage really done at all.

And in the millitary scene, he wasnt being effected by any of the bullets until it hit his gills.

So virtually my theory may be true and if it is, Godzilla 2014 will be alot more powerful in the sequels!

Ok i have officially made 2 theories the electrical sack one, and the scab armour!

 

Good grief.

TW_G-Fan2014

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPSep-05-2014 4:38 PM

As inventive as this theory is, it's not what's happening.

Scar tissue, when it builds up, causes permanent damage and begins doing more harm than good. When your body "heals" and leaves scar tissue, it's not actually healed. If the same damaged tissue becomes damaged again, the resulting damage only gets worse from there and causes more harm to the surrounding area. Scar tissue doesn't grant indestructibility upon build up. It causes a weakening of the cells and tissues and makes it even more vulnerable to follow up damage.

Godzilla is no exception to this law of nature. Damaged tissue is damaged tissue, and upon building up and ac***ulating it doesn't grant anything anywhere near indestructibility.

Sadly, as fun as your theory is it's not what's going on with Godzilla. So far we don't know about his ability to recover so I'd sit tight. There are plenty of Godzilla cells lying around after the MUTO battle in San Fran. Watching the Blu-Ray, you'll see that Godzilla bleeds several times when both the MUTO's are attacking him, especially for a brief moment right when Ford makes the decision to go back to the eggs and set them on fire.

When the camera cuts to Godzilla roaring in pain, if you pause it just right, you'll see a spurt of bright red blood coming out of his neck where the male MUTO's arms are stabbing him. There are also several other small blood spurts throughout the fight from Godzilla, so MONARCH has all it needs to analyze his blood and see what's going on.

TheGMan123

TitanosaurusMember729 XPSep-05-2014 4:51 PM

Ahem, TW_G-Fan2014......

There is no official confirmation about this, and this is all just fun speculation. For all we know, this IS how it could actually be working. We don't know for sure, and we don't even know if Legendary will give us such details. So don't assume this simply isn't happening just because no evidence towards its case hasn't been seen or told to us.

That's an unhealthy way to think. It's like when you kept trying to force upon us your opinion that Legendary didn't acquire rights to Toho nor would they ever in the past, then tried to tell us that there wasn't any confirmation of Mothra, Rodan, and King Ghidorah being said to be in the sequel, when footage from Comic-Con with statements from Tull say otherwise.

I swear, you need to let go of this "I'm right, stop arguing with me" attitude. This is all speculation for fun. Don't take it so seriously. We're talking about a fictional creature who couldn't possibly exist in real life, and we're just speculating on aspects of him that aren't nor likely ever will be officially confirmed until a much later date. You can't say we're wrong until Legendary's official statements say so.

You can only say you don't agree with what our speculation, why you don't agree, then leave it at that.

Godzilla316

AnguirusMember1067 XPSep-05-2014 11:41 PM

 

@TW_Gfan2014

 

"I'm afraid this creature is still beyond our present scientific understanding." - Professor Fukuzawa, Godzilla and Mothra: The Battle for Earth

 

 

This statement should be drilled into all of our minds when we try to put something that is extra realistic in a a creature that is not real. If GGs theory is correct, so what if it is not realistic, Godzilla isnt realistic at first creature. So what if what WE know how humans and animals of TODAY work. Ever thought that maybe if Godzilla was real and actually attacked a city or something, that even though we dont know how his body works, he surely has different adaptations and systems to us. Maybe your right, maybe he doesnt have this but everything else about your statement is just ruining a great topic

 

Why do you always think your right? I dont mean to be rude, but I am getting a little irritated

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remember that chap, I forget his name, he climbed Everest without any oxygen, came down nearly dead. They asked him, they said "Why did you go up there to die?" He said I didn't, "I went up there to live".

Linkzilla

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPSep-06-2014 10:50 PM

@GMAN2887

"As for GMK-- Many of the film's visuals are made for metaphor, not the niche, psuedo-science that both Toho and fans enjoy playing in. I don't recognize Godzilla's heart a sign of regeneration, simply a sign that the spirits are still unhappy with the way the world turned and that Godzilla will return... in some form or another."

Umm... you do realize that the metaphor would kind of fall flat if Godzilla would just stay a harmless disembodied heart and never grow back a full body, right? Super regenerative powers aren't necessarily rapid regenerative powers; he could easily have regeneration that allows him to recover from any wound, but isn't fast enough to be useful in a fight. This would explain both how he came back from being seemingly disintegrated by the Oxygen Destroyer and why it took so long: a microscopic amount of tissue could have survived, which slowly grew into a new body over the next 40-something years, and was posessed by opportunistic vengeful spirits in the process.

Linkzilla

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPSep-06-2014 10:50 PM

@GMAN2887

"As for GMK-- Many of the film's visuals are made for metaphor, not the niche, psuedo-science that both Toho and fans enjoy playing in. I don't recognize Godzilla's heart a sign of regeneration, simply a sign that the spirits are still unhappy with the way the world turned and that Godzilla will return... in some form or another."

Umm... you do realize that the metaphor would kind of fall flat if Godzilla would just stay a harmless disembodied heart and never grow back a full body, right? Super regenerative powers aren't necessarily rapid regenerative powers; he could easily have regeneration that allows him to recover from any wound, but isn't fast enough to be useful in a fight. This would explain both how he came back from being seemingly disintegrated by the Oxygen Destroyer and why it took so long: a microscopic amount of tissue could have survived, which slowly grew into a new body over the next 40-something years, and was posessed by opportunistic vengeful spirits in the process.

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