The design of Shin Gojira revealed9,754 Views170 RepliesAdd A Reply
"There's no way of stating Godzilla does in fact have burns or tumors."
Actually there is. Look at the image released. Study up radiation and tell me just what it does to the "victims" exposed to it.
"Until some Toho exec states that Shin Godzilla is burned with tumors on his face, then it's just not a fact,period." Thanks to our friends @Gormaru island, who have released the image and even set photos, yeah, it is fact.
"Who has incalculable regenerative healing abilities." Wrong. Find me a reliable resource that came out before 1989 (the first ever Godzilla film to feature the regenerative healing abilities) that suggests that Godzilla had regenerative healing during the showa era and Gmk.
To actually think that Godzilla 54' is going to regenerate and come back to life is seriously misconception. He's had over 50 years to do so. Even 40, 30, and 20.
At the end of the day, please listen to the mic drop.
Ok, you are seriously delusional at this point. I have googled radiation and there is a multitude of different images and effects. There is no "proof" to conclude based on this image of Godzilla.
"Thanks to our friends @Gormaru island, who have released the image and even set photos, yeah, it is fact." um WHAT? A Facebook group releasing a photo and some set pics of filming equals 'Godzilla has tumors?' have they spoken to the filmakers and got confirmation? I looked at the photo on their page and they say nothing.
It's not a fact, is it possible, yes, a fact? lol no. I will advise you to learn more about life before repying, please, especially what a fact is.
"Wrong. Find me a reliable resource that came out before 1989 (the first ever Godzilla film to feature the regenerative healing abilities)" It doesn't matter when he first showed his regenerative abilities. It is a canon ability in Godzilla's lore that Toho could utilize at any time.
"To actually think that Godzilla 54' is going to regenerate and come back to life is seriously misconception. He's had over 50 years to do so. Even 40, 30, and 20." it actually supports the theory more that it would take a long time for regeneration of that magnitude to happen.
"There is no "proof" to conclude based on the this image of Godzilla." Again, the image is there. You just don't want to see it yourself.
"Have they spoken to the filmmakers and got confirmation? "Yes they have. They along with August Ragone have insiders working with Toho. That's where confirmation is.
"I will advise you to learn more about life before replying." Want make this personal huh? Just FYI, I was once married but, no longer. Yeah, tell me about life again.
"It is a Canon ability in Godzilla's lore that Toho could utilize at any time." That's funny. They didn't use it for the showa era from 1954-1975. They didn't use it for Gmk or final wars either.
"It actually supports the theory more than it would take a long time for regeneration of that magnitude to happen."
Ever watch Godzilla against Mechagodzilla 2002? They used the bones of the 54' Godzilla to make kiryu. Even then, Godzilla' s bones had no body cells, muscle tissue, a heart, livers, lungs, etc to regenerate. Entirely "fan" conjecture to believe Godzilla can regenerate back to life. 61 years now, what makes this any different?
FYI again, Hideaki Anno, the actual film director has stated that "Shin" stands for these 3 words. "True, NEW, and God." Notice I capitalized "new." That should tell you along with everyone else that this Godzilla is new. Meaning another Godzilla separate from the original.
"Yes they have. They along with August Ragone have insiders working with Toho. That's where confirmation is." This is usually where you provide a link?...
"Want make this personal huh? Just FYI, I was once married but, no longer. Yeah, tell me about life again" Eh, I tried to make peace by saying that at the end of the day I'm just glad this movie has so much mystery, causing debates and then you said "At the end of the day, please listen to the mic drop" throwing it back in my face that you are indeed factually right in your speculation without PROOF (besides this mysterious Facebook group that you say supposedly has irrefutable proof yet you haven't provided a link), that set me off a bit.
"Ever watch Godzilla against Mechagodzilla 2002? They used the bones of the 54' Godzilla to make kiryu. Even then, Godzilla' s bones had no body cells, muscle tissue, a heart, livers, lungs, etc to regenerate. Entirely "fan" conjecture to believe Godzilla can regenerate back to life. 61 years now, what makes this any different?"
Yes, I also watched a movie where his damned lifeless, separated heart started beating at the bottom of the ocean. Also, in that very movie you used as an example, the original Godzilla somehow took Kiryu over and started blowing $#@& up. I'm also aware we're talking about a series where he flew through the sky. I guess I just don't find it that difficult to believe based on my 20+ years of experience with the series.
"This is usually where you provide a link? "
Uh, I'm sorry but, August Ragone, David Kalaat, Steve ryfle, and Ed Godzisweki aren't going to release this information out to the public. These men have dedicated their lives to get the most detailed informative information from Toho. There are two books written by August Ragone and David Kalaat that put this "fan" conjecture crap on the internet to rest. Those two books are these.
1. Eiji Tsuburaya the master of monsters
2. A critical history and photography of Toho's Godzilla series.
What I've stated is fact because it comes from not only the books I just mentioned but from the movies themselves. That's why they are called the showa series, the heisei series, and the millennium series. None of which are in any connection with each other. Meaning the millennium series isn't connected with the showa. Or the showa is connected to the heisei. The showa series is a "loose" continuity while the heisei series is a solid continuity. The millennium are each stand alone films.
Yeah, Gmk Godzilla at the end, the heart was beating. That doesn't mean he was going to "regenerate." If Gmk did have regenerative healing like the heisei Godzilla, don't you think his shoulder/neck wound would have healed in no time?
No where in any of my posts have I said that this was my speculation. Perhaps the "please listen to the mic drop "was a bit uncalled for but, you haven't provided me a reliable resource to show me that Godzilla has always had regenerative healing abilities ever since 1954.
20+ years of knowledge huh? Then like me, you should know there is more than just one Godzilla. Hence Godzilla raids again 1955. This is where professor Yamane' s statement at the end of the original Godzilla comes in. "I can't believe Godzilla was the only surviving member of its species. But, if we keep on conducting nuclear tests, it's possible another Godzilla might appear in the world again."
I mean, the answers are in the films themselves. Who needs a computer and a link to provide the information?
Yes, I know there is more than one Godzilla. I just think this movie would be exciting if it was Godzilla1954 returning. With Legendarys Godzilla still fresh in everyones mind, the timing couldn't be more appropriate. With the striking similarities of the design and the symbolic sounding title, it makes it impossible for me not to become suspicious.
I'd be happy with either outcome overall as long as the movie is quality.
but at this point I think we'll start going in circles. A full trailer can't be too far off, we should see what pops up then.
Guy's it's just a godzilla design calm down!
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"Guy's it's just a godzilla design calm down!"
You clearly weren't around the fandom during the Millennium series flicks... This is tame.
Well no I wasn't but How bad did it get?
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^It got a lot worse than what you have seen here. LOT worse.
As much as that sounds cool to see the 54' original come back, He's not really going to. He is a dinosaur turned kaiju meaning he was "normal" like other lifeforms until the atomic bomb came along and ruined his life. Hence the quote from Dr. Yamane again from 1954. "This creature must have existed during the late Jurassic period and due to the repeative experiments of nuclear bombs, they must have drastically changed his natural habitat."
Again, shin stands for "true, new, and God."
True I'm guessing represents the old DaiKaiju of terror.
New obviously should stand for a new Godzilla.
And God I'm guessing stands for not only what made him monstrous but, a living nightmare.
Shin can stand for any of those, that's why most sites say it "roughly translates to True, God, New" so it depends what aspect of Shin they emphasize on.
and again, you don't know the plot. You can't say wether or not he's being ressurrected.
The director's have claimed numerous times that they want Shin to stand for all three of those words.
You're right. I know nothing about the plot but, the story.
I suggest that you read that link.
Lets see... when the Mire-Goji design was released to fans in 1999, message boards of various types were on fire. Some liked it, a lot hated it. Many called it frog-zilla, declared the series officially dead, spammed other members' mailboxes, made death threats to those who liked it and wrote hate mail to Toho for it.
Shin and Legendary have had fairly tame conversations in comparison. The fandom will always be divided when a new design comes out and it will more or less be accepted only 5 years or so after the fact.
It's just part of the cycle when a new Godzilla film is on the horizon.
^Sending death threats to anyone is completely immature. I'd like to know how Toho handled that. Besides releasing the movie of course.
"The fandom will always be divided when a new design comes out." You hit the nail on the head there Gman2887. I don't hate the 2014 design. It had some problems but overall I actually like it. This new one, shin Godzilla, has grown on me so much already I've moved it up to my second favorite design. 1991 may never be topped in terms of badass even though it's a modified version of 89 which is my third favorite design now since the release of Shin Godzilla.
The only one I'll ever dislike is that 98 piece of iguana trash.
Very unconvincing article for me. New can mean "new era" or "new beginning" while "True" still meaning the return of the true Godzilla from 1954. "New" meaning a literal new Godzilla is a little on the nose, especially since it looks so much like the 1954 one with tweaks, in fact this quote makes me more suspicious
"It's meant to declare the return of the true Godzilla—The fearful god represented in the 1954 original"
Now if they just admitted this is a straight up remake, I'd be convinced it's a new Godzilla (obviously), but with the possibility that this is still a movie with the 1954 original in canon, I find it odd that they went so far out of their way to make it look like the 1954 Godzilla. I'll remain suspicious until proven otherwise. That's why I want to wait until there's more info or a trailer.
The director has said "Shin" means all three of the basic translations--This was some of the first information we got from the movie after it started shooting. However to what capacity those meanings will be observed is in the air.
It could very well mean a literal "new" Godzilla as the title has been used plenty of times before in that same way: Shin Kamen Rider (or Kamen Rider Shin), Shin Ultraman (now called Ultraman Jack) and so on.
Things have been much worse, rancor-wise, in the fandom over designs, films themsleves, or which series is better: Showa, Heisei or Millennium. I think it helps that we have two apparently distinct approaches to Godzilla being produced at the same time. This is great, as it has more variety for more tastes. I really don't see the point in runnign down people's personal choices regarding suits or even films. You like what you like. It's the generalized, unqualified pronouncements that I take issue with.
I like the Shin-Goji-at least what I've seen ot it-and look forward to seeing the suit and some footage. But, then again, that would be the case if the design resembled the Bio-Goji (which I love, by the way). My overall impression is that what we've seen so far may be indicative of the atmosphere and feel of the film itself: very dark, with instances of horror, without being gratuitous, but with a message of hope and eventual triumph at the same time. He's not directing Shin Gojira, but Shusuke Kaneko said in an interview, that as a filmmaker, he wants to give the audience a sense of hope. As dark as the next Toho-produced Godzilla film may be, I'm pretty sure they see the logic in this. I mean the purpose behind something carthartic is to purge oneself of the fears and emerge stronger as a result. Shin Gojira could facilitate this on a national and cultural level, and, entertain at the same time.
I just hope it's really, really well written with an inspiring and bold message, driven home by passionate, moving performances, God willing.
JAMAAL - Indeed! Additionally, I have great hope for the musical score that will be accompanying Shin-Gojira! With luck, the music will help to drive the script's emotional tones! :)