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SAW THE MOVIE.. THOUGHTS ANYONE ?

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RR44

MemberBaragonOct-14-2016 8:30 PM

I watched the whole thing on Tuesday the 11th of October. I was surprised that I liked it as much as I did. A lot of dialogue explaining Gojira and what he more or less is. I was freaked out by the ending. Very creepy to say the least. But all in all.. it was..for TOHO anyway.. a true horror film. and I loved it as such. Now I have 2 G films that I look forward to seeing sequels for. Edward's entry was dry script wise.. where as TOHO's was script heavy. Edward's G was cool.. but not enough on screen destruction was on display. Where as TOHO's had destruction plenty. I take back what I said about shin gojira not being a true Godzilla film.. It is a true Godzilla film when likened to the first one. 

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Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonOct-16-2016 6:41 PM

What does 2014 have to offer though? What does 2014 represent? 

 

I'm going to add my two cents here with my review, spoiler filled of course.

http://hugeben.deviantart.com/journal/Shin-Godzilla-Review-Full-Spoilers-639786079

 

And bonus material here. 

http://hugeben.deviantart.com/journal/Shin-Godzilla-Bonus-Material-640125470

 

 

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Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonOct-16-2016 6:45 PM

"Did it put 2014 to dust? No, simple answer."

 

Actually it did. At least our main and best characters didn't die like Bryan Cranston did. Both may be 2 hours long, but I wasn't bothered, too complaintive, or bored with Shin Godzilla. 2014 may have the better effects and new monsters, but that's about it. Shin Godzilla had and still has a lot more to offer. 

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GG

ModeratorGiganOct-16-2016 7:14 PM

Would have to disagree.

Good grief.

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonOct-16-2016 7:24 PM

^

May I ask why? 

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GG

ModeratorGiganOct-16-2016 8:02 PM

Shin Godzilla has substance for half of the movie, but the end jsut feels like it drags on--and ends rather weak for such a powerful and terrifying first half. Godzilla 2014 had me on the edge of my seat waiting for Godzilla all the way until the end--whereas Shin-Gojira had weird multiple forms, and when he finally appeared, sure he wrecked some havoc--but he got owned in the final section.

Film just becomes boring, whereas G14 ended strong.

Good grief.

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaOct-16-2016 8:19 PM

Xenotaris,

"I think they meant the best american Godzilla movie not the best japanese godzilla movie."

You weren't around the forums during this time. There were members both here, and other venues, very explicitly claiming the 2014 movie would be the very best Godzilla movie of all time--1998 and otherwise. It was blatant, detailed, loud and clear. One even claimed good movies can't be made without a Hollywood mentality which is pretty much petty, western prejudice at its finest.

And I can confirm that Tsuburaya wanted to use stop motion animation. And if he were alive he would likely use plenty of CGI. However, that is not the path that went down, so it's fairly irrelevant.

Instead, we have a unique piece of cinema history that has shown the resilience and resourcefulness of a culture creating its own form of entertainment.

Even then I'm not sure why you're bringing up suitmation for Shin Godzilla considering he's completely CGI in the new movie. This really only applies to current television tokusatsu right now, like Ultraman, Kamen Rider and Super Sentai.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaOct-16-2016 8:32 PM

"Gman, we both have differing opinions. I can see that you are more of a traditional Godzilla fan, while I view Godzilla 2014 as the best"

A character flaw on your part. We'll try to forgive you.

"From what I have seen, of Shin-Gojira, it looks way too overdone."

Back up... "from what I have seen". Have you actually sat through the entirety of Shin Godzilla?

"It becomes way too melodramatic, with strange acting,"

This is literally the least melodramatic Godzilla film since there is no melodrama. You might want to check up on the word usage.

"Godzilla becomes sort of an immovable wall that magically gets attacked by this weapon they create out of thin air."

Not liking Godzilla 'shutting down' is fine--It's a preference that doesn't really dictate the quality of the movie at all. But "create our of thin air"? Where were you if you were actually watching this movie? The weapon -- or plan, rather -- was literally set in motion at he beginning of the second act before Godzilla's second landing. In fact the majority of the movie is based on figuring out how to make it work, producing enough material and racing the clock to administer it. Nothing was out of thin air here--In fact it couldn't have been any more laid out for the audience step-by-step.

"He gets defeated. I know they are trying to pay homage and give "respects" to Godzilla 1954 with this, but it just feels too much like a homage, and too much like Godzilla 1954 on steroids--much like Jurassic World did to Jurassic Park."

I'm not even sure how to respond to this one given none of it makes any sense. You really need to come up with better examples of how Godzilla getting defeated in an entirely different way to the 1954 climax is too much like an "homage". It's like saying, "Godzilla being tossed in a volcano in The Return of Godzilla is too much like an homage to the original film." Huh? It's not the first time he's been defeated. It won't be the last.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Xenotaris

MemberGiganOct-16-2016 10:06 PM

I was too around the forum... maybe not Godzilla's page but I was definately here on the Alien/Prometheus page of these forums and I told yall i was here since October of 2012! Check my profile page it will tell you when I first signed up.

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaOct-16-2016 10:44 PM

^Fair enough. But you missed the little kids heralding the greatest thing since individually wrapped cheese slices--Being the "greatest Godzilla movie" was apparently a forgone conclusion, so they had to go the extra mile.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Darth Shiro

MemberTitanosaurusOct-16-2016 11:37 PM

C'mon stop arguring!

Dinosaurs incredible creatures who roamed the Earth 65 million years ago. Never had nature been filled with so much terror and beauty...

Something Real

MemberGodzillaOct-17-2016 12:19 AM

SHIRO GOJI - It is alright; they are not arguing. They are simply engaging in robust and lively debate. The arguments I have beheld are far more aggressive than what is being evidenced here. :)

Darth Shiro

MemberTitanosaurusOct-17-2016 1:06 AM

Thanks SR but i hate seeing friends doing their "opinion battles" it also makes bad relations for each another.

Dinosaurs incredible creatures who roamed the Earth 65 million years ago. Never had nature been filled with so much terror and beauty...

Something Real

MemberGodzillaOct-17-2016 1:34 AM

SHIRO GOJI - You are most welcome. Do not let it wear upon you. Many of the individuals on SCIFIED very much enjoy having raucous debates! It is a very good way to relieve tension that has accumulated between two or more men and/or women. :)

Darth Shiro

MemberTitanosaurusOct-17-2016 1:45 AM

Ok thanks also i will PM you.

Dinosaurs incredible creatures who roamed the Earth 65 million years ago. Never had nature been filled with so much terror and beauty...

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonOct-17-2016 3:11 AM

"Godzilla 2014 had me on the edge of my seat waiting for Godzilla all the way until the end--"

That's a problem though. He's in the film at the beginning and after the bomb, we don't see him again until 2014 from 1954. There's a 60 year spand there. They could have had him doing something.

"Film just becomes boring, whereas G14 ended strong."

Complete garbage and a hypocritical statement.  2014 was much more boring due to Max Boring-Stein's script writing. Not to mention, people wanted to see Godzilla kicking @$$ in the film alot more than what he did. The cut scenes did not help.

G14 doesn't have anything new to offer other than new monsters. Sure, he sent that atomic breath down the female mutos mouth. But, biollante in 1989 and Orga in 2000, take the shots way before 2014. Orga's being a lot worse in terms of actually blowing the monster up from the inside out. 

Shin Godzilla may drag, but, at least it had a sense of humor in it. 

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Darth Shiro

MemberTitanosaurusOct-17-2016 3:31 AM

Hugeben i saw your artwork on deviantart and i love it!

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Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonOct-17-2016 4:13 AM

^

Why, Thank you. :)

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Darth Shiro

MemberTitanosaurusOct-17-2016 4:17 AM

I have been thinking of making an account there so i may PM you.

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Xenotaris

MemberGiganOct-17-2016 6:33 AM

You don't have to be insulting Gman2887

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GG

ModeratorGiganOct-17-2016 7:42 AM

Yeah I know, I usually am the one to get mad--but am still civil even those Ben and Gman are really agitated at what I'm saying. I literally just posted a comment saying I did not really enjoy the film as a whole, and I knew they were gonna say something, but not go into these refuting defensive states like this.

I must've worded it wrong. I meant that the entire film feels too much like a homage to the 1954 Godzilla, where he wrecks havoc then comes back and gets defeated. Ben, Godzilla 2014's second half is one of the most engaging moments in Godzilla history--and has rarely been done. The battle drags out for the entire second-half almost, and is extremely intense!

Shin-Gojira has an AMAZING first half, with the music and him destroying the city--before he abruptly goes dormant, perfect plot device for the military to make the weapon (forgot its name). When Godzilla returns it just feels too drawn out, and maybe even a bit overdone. Lasers start flying out of his tail, and back, and places I don't even know. I literally started laughing hysterically when I saw that, I had never seen anything more ridiculous than the amount of lasers coming out of his body.

I know you guys are OG Godzilla zealots, not to be insulting, but the film just to me--overall--does not feel as intense as Godzilla 2014, and nowhere near as engaging as even the Millenium Godzilla's.

Good grief.

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonOct-17-2016 8:10 AM

^

Gg, it's natural. You defend 2014 to death. I'll defend Shin Godzilla to death. As far as "I know, I get mad but still act civil about it" how are me and Gman not being civil about our debate? We weren't resulting to name calling, we were not insulting one another, etc etc. We are NOT Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. We are better than them.

 

"I meant it feels like too much of a homage to 1954" and? What's wrong with that? That was the entire purpose behind it. And like 54, as I included in my bonus material, it's the atomic horror all over again which btw, is Godzilla's true original character.

Sure, it's not for every Godzilla fan. But if anyone called themselves an expert on this franchise, they would know that Godzilla 54 and Shin Godzilla are a lot alike. As Dr. Yamane theorized, in 54, Godzilla was a cross between the land living and sea living animal. Guess what? That's what Shin Godzilla is. 

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Xenotaris

MemberGiganOct-17-2016 8:11 AM

I enjoyed most of the Godzilla movies but Godzilla 2014 is my favorite. I have yet to watch Shin Godzilla but I will when it becomes available to me. I'm tired of people knocking G14 all the time, have most the fans even watched the 1960's godzilla films? Stock Footage galore! I nearly became burned out on Godzilla during my Godzilla marathon but I hanged in there and finally reached the 70's, 80's, and 90's godzilla movies which I enjoyed all of them except for Godzilla vs Mechaghirdorah, then I reached the millennium series and then ran into Godzilla Final Wars and was like WTF. I hated how Final Wars portrayed Zilla, it acted like a doped up Frog rather than how Zilla behaved in Godzilla 1998.

Updated: For Ben's post. What they are reusing that plot line from the original Godzilla? Thats outdated paleontology! At least Godzilla 2014 and the 90's Godzilla were hip with modern science.

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Darth Shiro

MemberTitanosaurusOct-17-2016 8:13 AM

Wow Xenotaris that's harsh of you insulting the original movies like that...

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Xenotaris

MemberGiganOct-17-2016 8:19 AM

I enjoyed most of the Godzilla movies, I became more in favor of the Heisei Godzilla films as I got further in my Marathon. I do like the 60's Godzilla films but overly use of Stock footage kind of gave me Arch fatigue.

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Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonOct-17-2016 9:32 AM

"I'm tired of people knocking G14 all the time, have most the fans even watched the 1960's godzilla films? Stock Footage galore!"

That right there shows me you have no idea what you are talking about. Mothra vs. Godzilla 64, Ghidorah the three headed monsters, Godzilla vs. The sea monster, Destroy all monsters are NOT Stock footage galore.

"Updated: For Ben's post. What they are reusing that plot line from the original Godzilla? Thats outdated paleontology! At least Godzilla 2014 and the 90's Godzilla were hip with modern science."

And that is also about as hypocritical as any statement I have ever seen. No, they are not re-using the plot line. They actually went with the full mutation process very similar to The heisei series. Did you fail to see that?

 

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Durp004

MemberBaragonOct-17-2016 9:46 AM

@Xenotaris

 

First I want to say the Heisei is my favorite era of Godzilla. Then I want to say that it was not exactly hip, Biollante covered cloning, so ok there's a good one, then Godzilla vs Mothra was just an environmental message, one we've seen before, Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2 didn't bring anything new either, and the less said about the logic of SpaceGodzilla the better(I really like Spacegodzilla and I'll admit that).

 

G14 didn't really stray that far from anything either or bring anything hip or new into it that I remember.

 

There's also no such movie as Godzilla vs Mecha Ghidorah.

 

Now onto other things. Since we're talking about things that were similar to Shin can we mention 84? I mean maybe it's just the meetings, but I swear I picked up 84 more than the original with Shin Gojira.

GG

ModeratorGiganOct-17-2016 11:03 AM

^Can concur with Durp on 84 being closest to Shin-Gojira. BTW Why Ben, and Gman, do you put in quotes from our posts into your posts? It makes it kind of irritating, how you single out quotes and stuff them into your posts in italics...

Shin-Gojira is unable to maintain its substance throughout the last half, whereas Godzilla 2014 has the most substance throughout the final portion. What makes a movie is how it begins and ends, Shin-Gojira holds strong and is engaging, but ti just dies and becomes bland and repetitive--sorry!

Good grief.

Darth Shiro

MemberTitanosaurusOct-17-2016 11:16 AM

GG he didn't die....He was frozen temporarily. So the people are obliged to coexist with him till he awakens again. When he will the Americans will nuke him. Also umm G14's substance is dark...but not as dark as Godzilla movies like 54, 84 and Shin are. Also if i hear one of your "opinion battles" again i will report it to Gavin or Chris ok. GG go to edit account and put a forum signature to have the quotes and pictures.

Dinosaurs incredible creatures who roamed the Earth 65 million years ago. Never had nature been filled with so much terror and beauty...

GG

ModeratorGiganOct-17-2016 11:47 AM

^You do know I'm a Moderator right? If anything gets out of hand I have to stop it, nothing is happening right now...You're going out of hand right now Shiro.

Good grief.

Darth Shiro

MemberTitanosaurusOct-17-2016 11:58 AM

Well never mind me...but i'm still surveying you...all *gives Arnold Schwarzenegger look*....

Dinosaurs incredible creatures who roamed the Earth 65 million years ago. Never had nature been filled with so much terror and beauty...

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