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Secular Maniac #TeamRodan

Dec-04-2019 2:48 PM

Ok i'm new here and this could seem off topic, and perhaps it's true, but hey, it's good to satisfy a whim.

I recently viewed the past movies of this cinematographic "monster universe" and remained pleasurably enjoyed by it, it's over-the-top atmosphere, para-scientific explanations, Monster anthropomorphism and overall upbeat catastrophes made me very attracted by it.

To get to the point, one thing i couldn't notice, a constant present since the 1954 Godzilla (depressing as a cancer, in the literal way) is the utterly inability of the Army to pose a slight threat or issue to the titans.

Ok, now i'm going off topic, Serious Sam is a videogame series developed by the croatian game developer croteam, the series is follows the adventures of Serious Sam, a one liner army captain from XXII century which is sent back in time to stop a God-Like alien overlord: Mental, which objective is to erase the universe from all intelligent life forms. Sam fights off chaotic hordes of marauding aliens, in every game, the final boss is represented by a 330 feet tall alien Abort, very similar to Toho's Monsters, which is always defeated by our almighty hero. Here's the final boss of the third game, which came out in 2011 https://youtu.be/NOpCMRUkcP4?t=15

Now, my point is: based on the inhuman fighting skills, infinite stamina, health durability, sci-fi arsenal, could Serious Sam, or someone like him, in monsterverse, being able to put down or overwhelm Godzilla? I know it's a stupid question, but i couldn't ignore the similitudes of the genre.

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Gmkgoji #TeamRodan

Dec-04-2019 3:19 PM

Probably not.

Zwei Wing is the best singing duo. Change my mind.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-04-2019 3:36 PM

Since the oxygen destroyer and stuff of a similar caliber aren't part of his arsenal, I don't think so.

If people weren't lazy, we wouldn't try to be efficient. If we weren't efficient, we'd never get anything done.

Secular Maniac #TeamRodan

Dec-05-2019 9:01 AM

 My question was based on the fact that Serious Sam comes from 22 century, and wields weapons never appeared in any godzilla film, which are able to overwhelm  MUTO like creatures. To not forget that serious sam doesn't fight just giant monsters, but thousands of relentless aliens, facing at the same time hordes of  gigantic enemies.

The point i wanted to debate are the survival capabilities of Godzilla compared to the out of world arsenal of an ingenuous arena shooter. Godzilla is a juggernaut, is completely Bullet-Explosive-Nuclear-proof, but suffers from other MUTO's forces. So, if somehow in monsterverse humans come out with such portable weapons, able to penetrate Titans armor, with someone with the super-human skills of Serious Sam, could just a man be able to overrun Godzilla or a Titan in general?

We have always looked into chaos and called it God. We now are blessed with sufficient power that such belief could destroy us.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-05-2019 10:05 AM

Wouldn't be fast enough to outrun him or his Atomic Breath, and even then would probably die of radiation poisoning from just being near Godzilla. I can't see a scenario where Serious Sam would survive, even if he somehow kills Godzilla.

If people weren't lazy, we wouldn't try to be efficient. If we weren't efficient, we'd never get anything done.

Secular Maniac #TeamRodan

Dec-05-2019 1:56 PM

Well for what concerns radiation poisoning, i thought that it was a feature just in the 1954 movie, where godzilla was more of an apology for Nuclear Weapons and the sufferings they cause to the civilians. I don't remember in the monsterverse to have seen anyone ever suffer from that.

But i realize the fallacy of this comparison, Godzilla is a Cinema creature, not a Final Boss. So to make this observation the most objective possible, i'll take in exam Serious Sam's 3 final boss: Ugh-Zan, and compare his Abilities with Monsterverse Titans to understand if Sam would be able to defeat them as he did with the final boss.

Height:Ugh-Zan IV is 330 feet tall, Female Muto is 300 feet tall and Godzilla is 393 feet tall. 

Abilities: Ugh-Zahn is a Bio-mechanical giant, he has a extremely high Health Regeneration rate and doesn't even flinch at any conventional weapon, he is able to keep at bay a "Sandwhale" monster twice his size, unbeatable by sam without  in the middle of the final fight.Also Ugh-Zahn isn't a titan, he's an alien, in fact he's the leader of the Alien army, the loyal servant of the unseen alien overlord mental, therefore every major enemy in the game converges to defend him.

in terms of offensive Ugh Zahn, being a Cyborg and not an animal, uses his augmented arms as cannons, which shoot endless barrages of plasma blasts and Missiles. 

Ugh-Zahn main weakness are Lighting Beams, they stun him and disable his regenerative ability, sam defeats him by impale in his back metal scaffolding poles, in order to attract lighting strikes onto him, which eventually weaken him enough to be dispatched by Sam.

In conclusion i Believe Serious Sam would be able, using his full arsenal and jetpack, to at least neutralize Godzilla, he has weak points after all, gills and eyes, and assuming his sci-fi weapons are able to hurt him, concentrated fire in those points would make the titan flee. If Sam's riding the jetpack i doubt Godzilla would be able to catch him, he's too clumsy and slow, i also doubt atomic breath could hit such a small and fast object, excluding the great effort it takes to be produced. 

I took in exam Serious Sam because i believe he's the only human character in every piece of media to be able to have a face off against Godzilla.

 

We have always looked into chaos and called it God. We now are blessed with sufficient power that such belief could destroy us.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-05-2019 2:11 PM

Um... EVERY (not including Zilla or Hanna Barbara version) Godzilla emits radiation. Hell, it's why San Francisco was abandoned, and the whole point of KOTM was that the Titan's radiation would "help restore life" and whatnot. So yeah, Serious Sam would die. 

 

MV Godzilla doesn't really take damage from conventional weaponry either, and you can't just assume a weapon would hurt Godzilla just because it's Sci-Fi. That's like assuming a clone trooper could kill Ghidorah because they're Sci-Fi. Also, he would need his FULL arsenal to hurt Godzilla, meaning he'd definitely be slowed down enough for Godzilla to hit him pretty easily, especially when he can move his head to redirect his Atomic Breath. He could probably use a nuclear pulse, but since we don't know if MV Godzilla can do it outside of his Burning form, I won't include it. Also, Godzilla would need only ONE hit to kill Sam, which he is fully capable of by using his arms, tail, jaws, Atomic Breath, or throwing a tree if need be. He hit the male Muto with an incredibly well timed hit and is a master of melee combat, as well as having probably fought COUNTLESS creatures of high speeds as well (such as the aforementioned male Muto, and probably Rodan and others at a certain point as well). 

If people weren't lazy, we wouldn't try to be efficient. If we weren't efficient, we'd never get anything done.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-05-2019 2:20 PM

Also, if you want someone to be able to face Godzilla, why not Eleven from Stranger Things? Or Saitama from One Punch Man? Or Goku from Dragonball Z (ok, I guess he's not exactly human. But what about Roshi, Tien, Krillin, etc? Gohan probably counts because he's 50% human, and so does Trunks, and they might be able to do it)? Light Yagami with his Death Note from... well, Death Note? I mean, Serizawa 1v1ed him in the original film, and would have lived if he didn't commit suicide to keep the knowledge of the oxygen destroyer out of wrong hands. There's also Shazam, Wonder Woman, maybe even Batman could make his own Oxygen Destroyer or some Godzilla repelent lol. What about the Mask? The mask is almost impossible to kill, with the only way to even HURT him being to take off his mask. Even then, you can't force his mask off, you have to get him to willingly take it off himself. And he can literally just say NO to damage, so Godzilla can't hurt him. The mask follows cartoon logic, so he could essentially bring any weapon out of his pocket that he wants, like an oxygen destroyer, or something else that can kill Godzilla. I would bring up Deadpool too, but he could die if every cell of his body were to be destroyed, he can't do damage to Godzilla, and Godzilla's Atomic Breath would mow down Deadpool into nothingness. But honestly, I think the Mask would be the best bet. He doesn't take damage unless he WANTS to.

If people weren't lazy, we wouldn't try to be efficient. If we weren't efficient, we'd never get anything done.

Secular Maniac #TeamRodan

Dec-06-2019 9:45 AM

Perhaps i expressed myself poorly, i did't mean Godzilla doesn't produce radioactive decay, simply that it doesn't appear to be lethal, i mean if it was lethal then everyone should have cancer in MV. 

Also i think i you haven't understood Sam's abilities, Serious Sam comes from the XXII century, he has a computer implanted in his head, has likely nanomachines that allow him of overhuman feats and wields reversed engineered weapons from a god-like alien Overlord.

He he isn't slowed down by his arsenal as he has five dimensional pockets (Doraemon like). He doesn't need to reload as his rounds are teleported into his Cannon (again alien technology). For what concerns weapons the easiest thing to show them is to link another time the video that showreels all Sam's major guns.https://youtu.be/q35Cbr8eVYo?t=87

The reason i'm so stubborn about Serious Sam he's the only human in every piece of media, which lacking superpowers or supernatural abilities (Saitama,Doctor Strange, Light Yagami), was able to overwhelm TWICE a Godzilla like monster.

The level of unlikeliness of Sam of Godzilla are the same. Also Godzilla is shown to have weaknesses, his gills and supposedly Mouth and Eyes. In the 2014 movie Godzilla, even if not slightly injured, shows heavy discomfort from human artillery.

I believe Sam's artillery would be able to injure godzilla, as it was effective against final boss Ugh-Zan, i made the full analysis about Ugh-Zan in the last post, and i think it falls into the category of Godzilla like Creatures.

But let's cut out Godzilla from the equation for a moment, ignore all his Plot Armors (Radioactivity and Oxygen destroyer), i reformulate the topic, could serious sam be able to kill Titan from MV? and Possibly Godzilla? By the way i think Mothra would be far harder to be defeated by Sam for obvious reasons.

 

We have always looked into chaos and called it God. We now are blessed with sufficient power that such belief could destroy us.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-06-2019 2:18 PM

Light Yagami still technically have supernatural abilities, he just uses a book with odd abilities, like Sam with hi alien technology. Also, Serizawa, Batman MIGHT be able to do it if he makes some gismo, etc. 

 

In Godzilla 2014... they never shot him. They debated a lot about shooting him, but they never did. 

 

And still, that radiation IS lethal, or at least somewhat dangerous if NO ONE lives in San Francisco anymore, and you can see people start to glow kinda blue around him. Besides that, his temple feeds him radiation that was shown to physically hurt, and acknowledged would quickly KILL Serizawa, so if Godzilla primarily feeds on radiation that was able to cause Serizawa's nervous system to go wonky in less than a few minutes WITH THE HELP OF A SPECIAL SUIT, then Godzilla's radiation must be AT LEAST dangerous. Besides that, he COULD, in theory, beat Godzilla, but saying that is like saying a mosquito COULD kill Godzilla if it survives long enough to bite Godzilla and spread a radioactivity and heat resistant strain of Malaria that his immune system can't fight off. A pizza COULD kill a Tyrannosaurus by going down the wrong tube and suffocating it, or could contain nutrients that are deadly to a Tyrannosaurus (like chocolate and dogs) and kill it that way, or it could slip off a cliff while stepping on the pizza, etc. But that's an incredibly insane way to look at it. In reality, Godzilla is MUCH more durable that Ugh-Zan, and even his gills are covered in incredibly thick scales. His eyes would be incredibly hard to hit, because A. Godzilla is moving and actively trying to kill Sam. B. A machine gun still might not do too much damage to the size of his eye. C. He has to hit it without Godzilla blinking, or else it will just hit his impenetrable hide. 4. He has to avoid the radiation and Atomic Breath at the same time.

 

Godzilla wins, hands down.

If people weren't lazy, we wouldn't try to be efficient. If we weren't efficient, we'd never get anything done.

Secular Maniac #TeamRodan

Dec-07-2019 10:04 AM

What i wanted to say was that Light Yagami HAS supernatural abilities. For what concerns Radiation poisoning, i think that it's left ambiguous. First of all radiations DON'T improve soil nutrients at all, therefore the whole "Monsters are good for the planet" idea is an narrative excuse to make the redundant war between humans and titans stop.

Then if Godzilla's radioactive decay is true then everyone in it's proximity should suffer from it, from the army personal to the characters, i believe Serizawa's death explanation was that Godzilla's "temple" is contaminated by gamma rays of some sort.

In the 2014 movie Godzilla is shot by the army, during the golden gate scene he's hit multiple times by a M1 Abrahams and a broadside of a Battleship, despite being completely unharmed he is shown to feel the shots, he's annoyed by them, Ghidorah flinched after being hit by a barrage of air-to-air missles, so for every other titan.
Serious Sam's trademark weapon is the "SBC" Cannon, it's unknown how it works but apparently was reversed engineered from alien technology, i believe it's some sort of rail gun, it shots at transonic speed hardened depleted uranium leaded cannonballs which pierce every enemy in the game, it's uranium filling explodes at impact. It doesn't slow down Sam, and doesn't have to be either reloaded nor recharged as cannonballs are warped into the cannon after each shot. We can only speculate about a Sam vs Godzilla scenario, since Sam's weapons power depends about the difficulty setting, same apply to Ugh-Zan which becomes weaker or stronger based on settings.

Based on Titan's reactions to rockets i think that the Cannon would lightly prick Godzilla's skin, his pain would be similar the one of a sting. Let's imagine the Sam vs Godzilla scenario, a wherever Downtown as battleground, Godzilla has full power and Sam has jetpack and full arsenal. Assuming Godzilla does his Thermonuclear Pulses Sam would flee from the scene and wait until the heat comes off. Since Sam would hoover above him while cannonading at his skull and snout, Godzilla's only choice would be to blast him with atomic breath or swat him with his tail, but would be rather hard to hit such a small fast moving object under constant fire. Certainly Sam wouldn't be able to finish off Godzilla, but my point that he could possibly overwhelm him. 

We have always looked into chaos and called it God. We now are blessed with sufficient power that such belief could destroy us.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-07-2019 5:22 PM

" transonic speed hardened depleted uranium leaded cannonballs "

... Um... Uranium would just give Godzilla more energy...

 

Also, seeing as how his thermonuclear pulse destroyed the entirety of Boston in a matter of seconds, I don't think Sam could outrun it. Besides it's power, it's a near instant move that's damn near impossible to evade, so I don't think Sam could out run something THAT fast.

 

Also, people LITERALLY GLOWED BLUE from just being in the VERY general vicinity of him, while he wasn't even using his Atomic Breath or intimidation thing, so don't give that excuse. When people start to glow BLUE, something's very wrong there. 

 

"What i wanted to say was that Light Yagami HAS supernatural abilities. For what concerns Radiation poisoning, i think that it's left ambiguous. First of all radiations DON'T improve soil nutrients at all, therefore the whole "Monsters are good for the planet" idea is an narrative excuse to make the redundant war between humans and titans stop."

 

No, Light DOESN'T have supernatural abilities, he just has an odd weapon, the Death Note, just like Sam with his alien weapons. So in this case, I guess the pen really is mightier than the sword... or alien cannon. Second of all, as mentioned before, WHY WOULDN'T PEOPLE TRY TO REBUILD SAN FRANCISCO IF THERE WAS NO RADIATION?!! There's OBVIOUSLY radiation that HAS to be harmful if they didn't rebuild at all. In fact, the whole reason Emma agreed with the whole "wake up the Titans" thing is because of what she saw in San Francisco, where life returned to the area due to the radiation. Ahem, RADIATION. There's no ambiguity here, there is obviously radiation there left from Godzilla and the MUTOs that forced all the inhabitants to leave, even people outside the areas that were destroyed because the radiation was so deadly.

 

Sam wouldn't even be able to get CLOSE to Godzilla without eventually getting some cancer and dying, and seeing as how Godzilla ran up to 200 mph in KOTM... no, I don't think he can really evade Godzilla either. 

If people weren't lazy, we wouldn't try to be efficient. If we weren't efficient, we'd never get anything done.

Secular Maniac #TeamRodan

Dec-08-2019 3:25 AM

The dead note isn't weapon, is a supernatural object that gives supernatural powers, like Charles Dance in Last Action Hero, he's a normal bloke that can teleport in movie worlds by a magical ticket, he indirectly has supernatural powers.

If ionizing radiation from the titans is so harmful then why didn't Brody and any other human on the scene suffered from Radiation Poisoning? The only Explanation is that of a plot hole, also ionizing Radiations ARE HARMFUL for any life form so plants grow in San Francisco is a plain excuse for the plot to evolve.

For what concerns cannonballs: depleted Uranium is used because at high energy collisions explodes and pierces every metal, therefore could injure godzilla while give energize him, Serious Sam's games doesn't care to give explanations on how guns works, all that matters is to make them amusing to use. Cannonballs filling could be switched to tungsten or alien steel the effect would be the same. What matters are the potential effects of the cannon on Godzilla body, and since he as well as every other Titan reacts with discomfort at missiles explosions then the cannon would have a negative effect on him, also because Ugh-Zan, which i would put on the same level of Muto 3, suffered from them.

When Godzilla does his thermonuclear pulses he first becomes flaming red, then melts everything in close distance and then becomes a tactical nuke. Everyone seeing this would flee at first signs, Sam has a NETRICSA computer planted in his brain that informs him of his surroundings so he would have access to this infos before he Godzilla could become lethal.

The only way i can think of this fight would be to imagine a boss battle, the player would use the jetpack to hover above Godzilla to cannonade him at his weak spots (Gills, Mouth, Eyes) while avoiding Atomic Beams and Tail swifts, to recover the player should hide himself behind, atop or inside buildings, using them as improvised cover.

I repeat myself, there's no way Sam could kill legendary Godzilla, but he could be a good match for him. On the other hand Sam would be completely ineffective against Flying Titans (Rodan-Mothra) and Shin Godzilla.

We have always looked into chaos and called it God. We now are blessed with sufficient power that such belief could destroy us.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-08-2019 11:24 AM

"The dead note isn't weapon, is a supernatural object that gives supernatural powers, like Charles Dance in Last Action Hero, he's a normal bloke that can teleport in movie worlds by a magical ticket, he indirectly has supernatural powers."

No, it's a weapon. You use it... to kill things, and it doesn't really GIVE supernatural powers, you're still basically an ordinary person, you just have a really powerful weapon. 

 

"If ionizing radiation from the titans is so harmful then why didn't Brody and any other human on the scene suffered from Radiation Poisoning? The only Explanation is that of a plot hole, also ionizing Radiations ARE HARMFUL for any life form so plants grow in San Francisco is a plain excuse for the plot to evolve."

 

Well, since San Francisco has been ABANDONED, and we don't see any returning characters from that movie that were in San Francisco, who's to say that he's even alive? No one knows where he is! There's not even any mention of him in the movie, so he MIGHT actually be dead or sick or something. Also, there's a difference between being generally near a radioactive source for a few minutes v.s. actively going straight up to it for a long amount of time while it increases its radiation output the whole time. 

 

"For what concerns cannonballs: depleted Uranium is used because at high energy collisions explodes and pierces every metal, therefore could injure godzilla while give energize him, Serious Sam's games doesn't care to give explanations on how guns works, all that matters is to make them amusing to use. Cannonballs filling could be switched to tungsten or alien steel the effect would be the same. What matters are the potential effects of the cannon on Godzilla body, and since he as well as every other Titan reacts with discomfort at missiles explosions then the cannon would have a negative effect on him, also because Ugh-Zan, which i would put on the same level of Muto 3, suffered from them."

Well, yeah the missiles give DISCOMFORT, but so does a mosquito bite. It can't really kill you without giving you a disease, and a CANNONBALL isn't going to give someone a disease... hell, it's kind of like a mosquito bite that gives you energy. So it's more like getting an injection or vaccine, it's mild discomfort, but actually helps you. Also, missiles are generally far more powerful than cannonballs... so...

 

"When Godzilla does his thermonuclear pulses he first becomes flaming red, then melts everything in close distance and then becomes a tactical nuke. Everyone seeing this would flee at first signs, Sam has a NETRICSA computer planted in his brain that informs him of his surroundings so he would have access to this infos before he Godzilla could become lethal."

 

Well, seeing as how he would have no knowledge of the events of 2019 since he's from a completely different universe or dimension or realm... no, his computer wouldn't know what that would mean. Besides that, HE CAN'T ESCAPE NUCLEAR PULSES THAT FAST. They have a huge range and could easily catch up to even the fastest of automobiles in a matter of moments, so no. He wouldn't know about the pulses, and he wouldn't be able to escape them when he sees the first one coming straight at him.

 

"I repeat myself, there's no way Sam could kill legendary Godzilla, but he could be a good match for him. On the other hand Sam would be completely ineffective against Flying Titans (Rodan-Mothra) and Shin Godzilla."

That I think we can agree on. 

If people weren't lazy, we wouldn't try to be efficient. If we weren't efficient, we'd never get anything done.

Secular Maniac #TeamRodan

Dec-08-2019 2:51 PM

The point is that the Death Note IS in fact supernatural, it's not designed as a weapon but as a tool for supernatural beings.

About San Francisco, for what i remember is never pointed out that it become a radioactive wasteland , only that vegetation overtaken it. At the end of the 2014 movie the city is still occupied by hundreds of thousands and no one suffers from radiation. First Responders, including Serizawa where like 10 meters away from godzilla and no one cared about radioactivity (the complete opposite situation of Shin Godzilla). If Ionizing radiations were harmful then the first symptoms of Radiation Poisoning should have occurred within hours.

The SBC Cannon was designed by Mental's forces, it's not a normal artillery cannon, it shoots cannonballs BIGGER than the barrel. My assumption about that could injure godzilla was based on the fact that it's bullets could damage Ugh-Zan in the first place, i highly suggest you to watch the final boss battle of serious sam 3 to understand what i mean about the cannon and Ugh-Zan force : https://youtu.be/lbvK-ONSrt8?t=561 

Netricsa: Neuro TRonically Implanted Combat Situation Analyser shouldn't have to know godzilla to tell sam that somethings wrong with radiation level, copying from the Wiki "NETRICSA automatically informs Sam about any new information when he encounters a subject for the first time", the way it could analyze it could be trough blood analysis or other stuff. Also every human escaped nuclear pulses in KOTM just by flying away.I believe the pulses are a sort of plot armor, Godzilla certainly doesn't do them all the time, and him becoming invulnerable and flaming red would have been more than a red flag that something uncool is about to happen. 

 

We have always looked into chaos and called it God. We now are blessed with sufficient power that such belief could destroy us.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-08-2019 3:13 PM

"The point is that the Death Note IS in fact supernatural, it's not designed as a weapon but as a tool for supernatural beings."

A weapon used by supernatural beings doesn't mean it's inherently supernatural. I mean, a ghost picking up a knife doesn't make the knife supernatural. Hell, depending on your definition of supernatural, by this logic, Sam's alien weapons are supernatural. 

 

"About San Francisco, for what i remember is never pointed out that it become a radioactive wasteland , only that vegetation overtaken it. At the end of the 2014 movie the city is still occupied by hundreds of thousands and no one suffers from radiation. First Responders, including Serizawa where like 10 meters away from godzilla and no one cared about radioactivity (the complete opposite situation of Shin Godzilla). If Ionizing radiations were harmful then the first symptoms of Radiation Poisoning should have occurred within hours."

Well, MOST people wouldn't have realized Godzilla was radioactive as that was classified Monarch information. Godzilla might not have been releasing as much radiation at the time due to being half dead, but even the general area would be pretty radioactive. Hell, even in that scene you can see people in Hazmat suits, just not Serizawa. And seeing as we don't know how long he was there, he might have only been there for a few minutes.

 

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Netricsa: Neuro TRonically Implanted Combat Situation Analyser shouldn't have to know godzilla to tell sam that somethings wrong with radiation level, copying from the Wiki "NETRICSA automatically informs Sam about any new information when he encounters a subject for the first time", the way it could analyze it could be trough blood analysis or other stuff. Also every human escaped nuclear pulses in KOTM just by flying away.I believe the pulses are a sort of plot armor, Godzilla certainly doesn't do them all the time, and him becoming invulnerable and flaming red would have been more than a red flag that something uncool is about to happen."

First of all, just because he has higher amounts of radiation doesn't mean he's going to nuke everyone. Second of all, how the hell would they get his RADIOACTIVE blood for sampling mid fight? Third of all, the reason the people managed to escape the nuclear pulse is because they already started flying a few minutes before Godzilla got up again. By the time he used his nuclear pulse, Emma had already driven from far outside the city to basically right to the center. Also, EMMA couldn't escape the blast, so... yeah, Sam couldn't really escape it. 

 

"Godzilla certainly doesn't do them all the time, and him becoming invulnerable and flaming red would have been more than a red flag that something uncool is about to happen."

Yeah, SOMETHING, but that doesn't mean nuking everybody. It could just mean he's more durable. It could mean he's faster. It could mean he has a more powerful Atomic Breath. It could even mean he got telekinesis, they wouldn't know!

 

Ugh-Zan is made of thin, albeit tough, layers of metal. Godzilla has an incredibly thick hide, even in his weak points. Besides that, seeing how even Ghidorah's Gravity Beams couldn't pierce that hide and were designed for drilling, I don't think a cannon (which are typically weaker than missiles, which have been shown to have little effect on Godzilla) would be able to do much against him. 

If people weren't lazy, we wouldn't try to be efficient. If we weren't efficient, we'd never get anything done.

The Hooded Figure #TeamGodzilla

Dec-08-2019 3:27 PM

The winner is whoever the writer wants it to be.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-08-2019 4:10 PM

"The winner is whoever the writer wants it to be."

God... damn it. Yes, that's definitely true, BUT that's like watching a tiger fight a lion in a zoo in real life (yes, cruel practice, but works for what I'm about to say) and someone asks "who do you think will win?" and you say "the people who orchestrated the fight" or "the zookeepers", "the zoo owners", or "the investors". Yeah, you're probably right... but still...

If people weren't lazy, we wouldn't try to be efficient. If we weren't efficient, we'd never get anything done.

The Hooded Figure #TeamGodzilla

Dec-08-2019 4:41 PM

Not really a good comparison. Normally, (I’m assuming you’re referring to males) a tiger would emerge victorious against a lion as documentations have (unfortunately) proven such; however, a tiger or lion’s age, durability, experience, mentality, etc. are contributing factors. For example, a young and inexperienced tiger holds greater chance in losing to a lion who has experience. Or an abused tiger being forced to fight a lion (captive or wild), the tiger would surely die.

Reality is far different from fiction.

G. H. (Gman) #TeamGhidorah

Dec-08-2019 4:54 PM

The Hooded Figure,

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"It wouldn't be a true Godzilla film if you didn't touch upon those things. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a true Godzilla fan." - Mike Dougherty, fellow gatekeeper-elitist ;)


TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-08-2019 5:26 PM

The Hooded Figure

Fair point, not the best comparison. Honestly that'd be good enough to fit r/murderedbywords. But I believe you miss my point. The point is that there's no real point to saying that. We all know that it's really subjective and based on whoever is writing the fight, but we still like to discuss it and give our reasons for why we think one would defeat another. There's no point in saying, "the winner is whoever the writer wants." Of course it's whoever the writer wants, but we just want to talk about who we think would or want to win. If you don't care about who would win or think talking about "who would win in a fight" is pointless because it has no meaning and is based on opinion, fine. If you don't really care, fine. I understand your reasoning and I partially agree. BUT, saying something like "the winner is whoever the writer wants" is about as pointless, if not more so, than the actual topic at hand since we already KNOW it's based on opinion. 

 

I mean, it's like writing a tiger v.s. lion fight. You want the lion to win? Go ahead, you can tilt it in the lion's favor and debate later whether or not it would actually win (as long as you don't pass it off as the definitive winner of every fight or that this is definite fact, of course. That'd be plain stupidity). But if you write the fight and realize "oh, I just want the lion to win!" and decide that since it's completely subjective, you just delete the whole fight and say "whoever the writer wants to win," that's even more pointless. Hell, if "whoever the writer wants to win" is going to be your answer for every fight, then what's the point? "I want Kong to win in GVK!" Well what's the point in wanting him to win if your answer is always going to be "it's whoever the writers want to win?"

 

For a better comparison, this is like if I asked "what if you were bitten by a care bear zombie, what would you do?" and you go "that wouldn't happen." Well of course not! The whole point is it's so ridiculous that it wouldn't happen! It's not like I'm asking you what would happen if you took a breath, I'm asking something ridiculous! If you don't care, fine! I'll drop it! But if you just go "that wouldn't happen though" over and over, then it's just annoying. Or if you hear someone nearby asking someone else that question and go "THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN THOUGH!" 

 

Basically, that gibberish paragraph would go something like this (skip to 2:59)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrHkb8U8ID8

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The Hooded Figure #TeamGodzilla

Dec-08-2019 6:38 PM

Because it is true. If the scenarios (or characters) are fictitious, there’s no limit to what a writer desires for the outcome to be. It doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy discussing the what-ifs or who-could-win regarding fictitious material, but in the case for this topic, the claims used here are just repeated back and forth and delve into nonsense rather than providing examples of additional relevance to the original claims.

For example, there are different versions of Godzilla to help build your claim against what the OP uses rather than limiting yourself to the MonsterVerse Godzilla. Additionally, there’s quite a difference between making use of supporting evidence to back your claims instead of giving the same-answers-but-in-different-words responses.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-08-2019 6:51 PM

The Hooded Figure

It's subjective. MV Godzilla has been overwhelmed before. Serious Sam has lost many times before. MV Godzilla is semi-aquatic. We don't know how good a swimmer Serious Sam is. Hydrogen is lighter than Uranium. It's true, doesn't mean it's something that really makes a difference to the point of the discussion.

 

And I WOULD use different versions of Godzilla, but A. using a composite Godzilla would be kind of weird and B. we're specifically talking about Monsterverse Godzilla, not any of the other incarnations. It's one of the original parameters of this discussion.

 

Also, yes. That's essentially what it has devolved to, but at least giving actual claims and evidence than just saying it basically doesn't matter. Of course it doesn't really matter, that's basically the fun of it. I mean, does what you said actually help the original topic at all? It's also something we all know and recognize. So that's essentially like saying Sam and Godzilla would never meet. We know that, we recognize that. So what if they'd never meet? Even if they did meet, it would be completely fictitious and also probably non-cannon to a fictional story. And?

 

"Additionally, there’s quite a difference between making use of supporting evidence to back your claims instead of giving the same-answers-but-in-different-words responses."

And there's a difference between making use of supporting evidence to back your claims and saying a basic thing that has little relevance to the discussion and we all already know.

 

 

Anyways, back on topic, MV Godzilla would win. Sure, Sam could technically win, but Godzilla would win more times than not. The only Godzillas I think he'd stand more than a theoretical chance of beating are Godzilla 1998, if you count her as one, and maybe Showa, but even then Showa would win more times than not, and Zilla (and especially Zilla Junior) wouldn't go down very easily.

If people weren't lazy, we wouldn't try to be efficient. If we weren't efficient, we'd never get anything done.

The Hooded Figure #TeamGodzilla

Dec-08-2019 7:27 PM

What I said does matter. It’s why debate exists for a reason. But I’ll leave the topic to its original discussion then.

Secular Maniac #TeamRodan

Dec-09-2019 1:45 PM

"Well, MOST people wouldn't have realized Godzilla was radioactive as that was classified Monarch information."

People would not have known, but monarch would have taken measures, If in 2014 godzilla works the same way of KOTM then radiation contamination should have happened, since he just slaughtered two radioactive-feed creatures, and common nuclear-hazard procedures would have took place.

 "Hell, even in that scene you can see people in Hazmat suits, just not Serizawa." 

Humm, no? I rewatched the scene and nobody wore hazmat suits https://youtu.be/vtqr7HTgHM8?t=80"

"How the hell would they get his RADIOACTIVE blood for sampling mid fight?"

Here i explained my self poorly, i meant that Netricsa could analyze Sam's blood, it's the hud of the game and analyzes Sam's health, the damages it takes eccetera, here's a link to a brief explenation          https://youtu.be/EQlHH29ZlQU?t=305

"Just because he has higher amounts of radiation doesn't mean he's going to nuke everyone"

True, but as Netricsa notices a dangerous presence of ionizing radiations traversing Sam would warn him trough his HUD, like when signals Health loss. it's a nano-computer after all like Monarch's, as soon as Godzilla becomes a nuclear hazard Sam would take is ass out of the scene since he's losing health and can't win. Also Godzilla became Thermonuclear because got empowered by a tactical Nuke and Mothra, it's was very circumstantial and plot driven, he wouldn't do that normally in a whatever encounter.

"Ugh-Zan is made of thin, albeit tough, layers of metal." 

Well... No, he's not a robot, he's a Giant Extraterrestrial creature (like Ghidorah by the way), leader of the alien army, sent by Mental to eradicate Sam and the Mankind, he has Bio-mechanical prothesis (arms and legs), but he isn't made of metal, his skin is uncovered, he has the ability to regenerate himself, ergo, being immune to everything, Sam defeats him using lightning beams, as they disable temporarily his electronic parts so that he can be overwhelmed. Also Ugh-Zan is shown to be capable of handle a Sandwhale with ease, a monster double his size (Ugh Zan is 330 feet tall) that even Sam can't destroy. Now if cannonballs hurt him i don't see why they can't do the same to a Muto or Godzilla.

"seeing how even Ghidorah's Gravity Beams couldn't pierce that hide and were designed for drilling, I don't think a cannon(which are typically weaker than missiles, which have been shown to have little effect on Godzilla) would be able to do much against him."

I repeat, that one isn't a regular cannon, it's alien crap. however now we have an issue, i can't empirically demonstrate that the cannon could pierce Godzilla, i can only assume that this is the case because the cannon deals extreme damage to everything in the games (excluding the sandwhale since it's a boundary limit). BUT i'll link the video analysis form FrameRater about the damages of the SBC cannon in Serious Sam the first encounter (Ugh Zan IV is from a diffrent game but who cares)  https://youtu.be/rAwQQxFlAI4?t=470 

P.S (After all this research i wonder if mental's army could defeat Godzilla but i that would be a bridge too far)

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Secular Maniac #TeamRodan

Dec-14-2019 8:17 AM

Ok, even though this section become silent, i think is correct to share one of my realizations, i thought about this for a while, Serious Sam couldn't be able to kill Godzilla once for all, his cannon hasn't enough ammunitions. And Sam hasn't enough firepower to do so. it would be an hard battle, Sam could be able to injure him, but kill him no.

Okay, Game Changer, in your opinion who is the human, in every piece of fiction, to be able to kill Godzilla without superpowers or the help of Supernatural elements (Sci Fi Technology counts)?

We have always looked into chaos and called it God. We now are blessed with sufficient power that such belief could destroy us.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-14-2019 11:05 AM

Technically Saitama doesn't have superpowers, he's just grotesquely strong because he trained for 3 years and became WAY stronger than he originally was. If not, MAYBE Batman or Iron Man because they are scientists with a lot of money. If they were to team up they'd have a better chance, but still only win a fraction of a percent of the time. I do know ONE person who could kill Godzilla without any super-tech: Serizawa.

If people weren't lazy, we wouldn't try to be efficient. If we weren't efficient, we'd never get anything done.

Secular Maniac #TeamRodan

Dec-16-2019 2:50 PM

Jeez i don't think saitama could count as a normal human being, i mean i think is pretty implausible to become an unbeatable superhero after 3 year daily crossfit training. I would say it's cartoon logic.

Let's be clear, i still think Serious Sam could be the only human to withstand a fight with godzilla, for the reasons i wrote above, simply that he couldn't kill him.

Also about what Serizawa are we talking about? The Honda one or the MV one? Excluding the Oxygen Destroyer i believe there are other human made weapons able to hurt Godzilla, or any other Titan/Kaiju. Railguns, Kinetic Bombardments or orbital strikes or something like this.

We have always looked into chaos and called it God. We now are blessed with sufficient power that such belief could destroy us.

TheLazyFish #TeamGodzilla

Dec-16-2019 3:32 PM

I mean, MOST of it isn't likely, even Serious Sam, so...

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