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I was thinking about new themes of Godzilla compared to the new ones. Even though KOTM has one of the best soundtracks I’ve noticed a trend in modern music. They rely heavily on loud percussion  to convey size and power it the song. This trait is clearly Lacking in the original themes, but still is able to convey that power, but how does this do it. 

Well me being a person who enjoys classical music can trace it back to one specific piece. Igor Stravinsky’s Rite Of Spring. This piece was very revolutionary int classical music and shares many similarities to the Goji themes. Essentially it used the entire orchestra as percussion to give the power and having rhythm not melody be the driving force. I believe the Goji themes had this same characteristic. And that’s why they still hold up today.

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Mebo,
Agreed. Holkenborg's modern, Hollywood attempt at Godzilla felt cheap at best. I'm not sure if it's the worst Godzilla score I've heard, but it's definitely one of them.

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I maybe would have liked it if there had been a real orchestra and it had lead to something with more rhythmic contrast and stuff.... oh well

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here the classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDeU42u2s2Y

i hope you can see it

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@G. H. (Gman) with an estimated budget of 200 million dollars for a blockbuster, there should be a proper orchestra inside ;-)

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Mebo,
Indeed. Especially if Toho can do it with budgets of $10 million and under. Sometimes way under...

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G. H. (Gman) absolut true ...

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@SarcasticGoji Hans Zimmer experimented and created a absolutely wonderful score in the movie interstellar. (If you have watched the movie you will understand this next part) As soon as they landed on Miller’s planet, the score stared because it was 7 years per hour on that planet. This score has a steady beat starting at 44 bpm and going up to 60bpm which is one beat per second. He did this to portray time moving on like you could actually feel the seconds ticking. They needed to get in and out of miller’s planet fast so that they could save the human race. And each second they spent there the human race moved closer to exticntion. It’s a wonderful technique that made the whole film even better. The score is called Mountains.

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Hans Zimmer needs to do a MonsterVerse movie score in the future....

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That’s interesting. That gave me an idea for the score. Did it have different parts at different BPMs. My idea would have these at the same time to show the passing time.

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cool..

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I get chills just imagining what a zimmer Godzilla theme would sound like..

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Oh yeah, I would love to know what a John Williams rendition of the Godzilla theme would of have been like.

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@Xeno

Noooo... Star Wars has the most plagiarized music I’ve ever heard

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I don't think Star Wars has a lot of plagiarized cues, it's just very recognizably John Williams' style. Which is fine, Ifukube is the same way.

Both have somewhat redundant compositional "voices", but what fantastic voices they have. Every John Williams score is a gift.

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@Gman

1940’s movie with eeriely similar theme, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf47W9rXzRM

A motif from Rite of Spring and the Introduction music of Tatooine are COMPLETELY indistinguishable.

A theme in the fourth Movie, forgot which one (if I heard It i’d identity it), is almost exactly Gustav Holts “Mars” from his “The Planets” work.

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I was thinking of Jurassic Park rather than Star Wars when I mentioned John Williams

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my point still stands.

Not everything was "plagarized" and most was likely influence or coincidence, I just wanted to bring it up. Thats only a small part of JOhn William's work on star wars

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SarcasticGoji,
I think those fall more into inspiration for the theme, than flat out plagiarism. George Lucas even asked John Williams to base his score off of movies that Korngold specifically scored.

And while many, including Williams, has cited The Planets as inspiration, specifically Mars, The Bringer of War, I honestly don't hear it all that deeply.

In fact, I don't think anything in Star Wars does it justice as much as Star Trek. Nicholas Meyer, the director of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, wanted to use The Planets as the main score for the movie. He didn't have the budget to secure the rights, so he picked the excellent Cliff Eidelman to compose a score inspired by it. I think Eidelman's inspiration from Mars is far more apparent in the opening cue: Star Trek VI Main Title. But still not plagiarism.

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@Gman

Heres a theme that shows what I’m talking about, 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pM2SozsyPE

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Normall I would dismiss this but they have the exact same chords at the later part of the theme

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