Singular Point Spoiler Discussion

SasquaDash

Thats not entirely true. If you went into context and saw it was a response to, “

I think what we see here is that the show is a hit with hardcore G-fans. That's to be expected. But I doubt it did much to extend Toho's reach to anyone else. Now, many G-Fans are purists and want to keep their fandom to themselves, and think that's fine. So maybe that's okay. ”

The KotM reference was a secondary thought. So I should have specified, using that quote had nothing to do with monsterverse.

Kotm was very exclusive and didnt really open up to a larger audience. As fun as it is and I enjoy it, im not gonna try and pretend its a movie that was made as well as it could have been. It was a comparison that showed an interesting point.

Also he mainly just discredits KOTM and GvK.. 

Havent heard much criticism about KSI and G14

My point is that he constantly bashes KOTM and GVK to the point where it becomes ridiculous, He seems to find any excuse to trash those movies and mock the crew involved. After a while it not only gets annoying to constantly see him bashing the movies, but it's kind of demeaning to the people who worked on the films and to the people who like them. It's as if he thinks that his opinion is the only one that matters and that anyone who disagrees with him is "wrong".

Case in point, the fact that both you and Gman pretty much wrote off my criticism of Singular Point because it didn't match your opinion. Gman's reply to my criticism of SP was to basically ignore my points and to counter with "the series is excellent, it's better than the MonsterVerse" like my opinion was somehow wrong and invalid. The point of this forum was to discuss our thoughts on the show, yet it seems that any opposing opinion is being pretty much ignored and thrown aside like it's nothing, which feels a little insulting. 

I get that he doesn't like KOTM and GvK, but his relentless attempts to discredit them is becoming annoying. If I was constantly trying to find any excuse throw the Polygon Trilogy and the people who worked on it under the bus, I'm pretty sure that it would eventually get annoying to everybody and people would want me to stop.

SasquaDash

I would agree with much of your criticisms if Singualr Point was a full story, but its very clear that there will be a season two, hence the after credits scene.I get where you come from on the designs , but i have literally no response to that its based on preference. All i really know is I liked it and can someshat see what dissapointed you.

”It's as if he thinks that his opinion is the only one that matters and that anyone who disagrees with him is "wrong".”

Its the internet, not real interaction the automatic emotion you will read most often is hostile. That dowsnt mean it is. Gman is free to share his opinion and make fun of whatever he wants. I chose to not get bugged by it a while ago.

also Chibi Godzilla does not get to be a godzilla.

SasquaDash,
We've been through this multiple times. As tiring as you may find my distaste for the Monsterverse, I find your interpretation of my words equally exhausting. No. I don't like the Monsterverse, particularly the latter two, and I find some of the people behind them missing the point. Criticism can sometimes seem insulting, but it's also in how you take it.

That said, even the quotes you mention are about as harmless as it gets. I am very happy we're getting something completely different from the Monsterverse. Why would I not, since I clearly don't care for the former? And, "look at how much better that Singular Point did, King of the Monsters didn't do that well so Singular point is superior," is your interpretation of the comment and yours alone. The example with King of the Monsters was to give an example of how a niche fan base alone can not hit successful numbers unless it's reaching wider audiences. Given that this example was in the same franchise, and relevant as of recent, it was the best comparison. Obviously, more than the fan base showed up for GvK whether one likes it or not.

I said this the last time you derailed an entire topic engaging me over this and I'm going to say it again, if you feel the need to discuss my criticisms of the Monsterverse or make it personal, my PMs are open. Feel free to engage. Otherwise, please stop filling up threads with the same, tired complaint over and over. It has ruined topics before, let's not do it here.

Ok so I just finished the show earlier, and even though I highly enjoyed it and thought the show was great, I was very confused for most of the whole thing. Like SasquaDash said, theres so much technobable and super advance science talk through 90% of the show that makes no sense. I kinda get some of the basics of some plot points, there's the archetypes which have 13 states of being or whatever, and those archetypes are used to make a super computer that then uses the archetypes to make a something diagonalizer that is used to get rid of the red dust temporarily and they were trying to make a perfected diagonalizer that was stop the red dust for good so they can avoid the catastrophe. But that's about I understood, feel free to correct me if  got that wrong, like I said I was super confused but also enthralled cause it was so cool at the same time. So can anyone one help me understand that part of the show? Or let me know if there's another forum or a video on YouTube that explains that? Or are we even supposed to understand it? But besides the technobable part I thought everything else was great. The characters were awesome, the voice actors were great, (at least for the dub I'll have to rewatch in sub) I love Jonny Yong Bosch. I loved all the monster designs, I thought they were so creative and amazing, especially Anguirus he was beautiful. The music was really good, the animation was great. The final fight was really cool even if it didn't last long, seeing Jet get as big as Godzilla made me happy. So overall I'd give it an 8/10, the only thing stopping it from being a 10 was the technobable that had me confused the whole show. 

Monkey Feet,
I think the engagement of the idea, despite not always understanding, is what propels the series forward. You sorta have the general idea of how it all connects, but there are a few things you're off about. Luckily, people like Matt Frank and Monstrosities on Youtube will be doing videos and podcasts with those in the profession of theoretical physics and you can follow them for some excellent discussion coming up.

For me, the not understanding invites rewatch and research to explore the show, it's ideas and themes. There's a lot of meat to chew on with this show and I love the fact it beckons multiple watches to "get".

The attention to detail in this series is truly amazing. It was pointed out to me by a Japanese fan that the theme of information from the past informing the future, and vice versa, was making waves much earlier in the series, particularly with this moment.

The young archer uses whistling arrows to distract Rodan. The old mural shows arrows being used against Rodan as well--Samurai would often use whistling arrows as signal for a challenge.

I never noticed that, it is a nice detail,

also the dub voices are so annoying. I dislike them heavily

HinikunaGoji,
They're not as earnest as the Japanese cast, that's for certain. But the dub is fine and the cast matches most of the Japanese counterparts pretty well. Johnny Yong Bosch wrote, directed and starred in (as Yun) the English dub. He got his start as the second Mighty Morphin' Black Ranger on Power Rangers back in 1994. Since then he's done a great deal of voice acting and directorial work behind the camera. I think he did a pretty solid job.

Going through my second watch of Singular Point, I'm struck by the parallels to Ishiro Honda's viewpoint of science. While he had a great deal of faith in science, he was also leery of its use.

As Kyoei on Twitter points out,
Ashihara used multiple singular points as a calculator. Combining them increased their temporal power and the greater that power the further into the future he could "see". However, this calculator reached the same result the further into that future Ashihara could see: The Catastrophe.

The irony is using multiple singular points, each with a competing result, is what caused the catastrophe. The battle between each point's result was literally breaking down time. The calculator is both the salvation and the cause.

Likewise, in Godzilla '54, Serizawa creates a device that could be used to destroy Godzilla, but also be used for a wider range of warfare that could eventually devastate the world. In both cases science is the source of great power and destruction. An old theme of the series that has come full circle.

I don't think Ishiro Honda would've particularly liked any Godzilla project since his death. He was already fairly critical of the Heisei series. But Singular Point might've come the closest based on its hard-fi science and adherence to themes close to his heart from the beginning.

G. H. (Gman)

I get your point on themes but dont exactly agree. I feel its a bit of a stretch to say SP was closest to 54' when films like Shin Godzilla also use science to defeat godzilla, (even if the end is a bit far fetched). And Radiation is barely mentioned in SP

HinikunaGoji,
I'm not saying it's the closest to the original film. I think Singular Point would be the closest Godzilla related story Ishiro Honda himself would've appreciated--Especially since the entire story's themes rely on hard science. Shin Godzilla's themes were more concerned Japan's government policies and how that hinders their response to the people.

The Singular Point soundtrack dropped today and it is gorgeous.

G. H. (Gman)

I was looking for a specific  song I know the march theme gets a lot of attention but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci8h3PJ3Ypk&list=PLY9tfiQmWC_MIVNE19OVKVbAw5RNJtwMB&index=30 at 1;51 is my favorite theme ever

Sawada has really knocked it out of the park.

I love singular point, Ive rewatched it about four times so far. Each time ive realized more and more about the plot. And it gets better. PEople ive watched it with also help me realize new things. its really amazing. But i still hate the english dub

HinikunaGoji,
Agreed. Part of the rewatch factor is understanding it better with each viewing. The series is simply chalk full of ideas, nuance, references, cultural and religious ideas steaming from Japanese to Buddhism--It doesn't cease to be fascinating even upon rewatch.

My latest rewatch has revealed an implication I didn't catch before. The evolved Jet Jaguar claims he came into being via the code Yun wrote which was triggered by Ashihara--Implying Ashihara may be an older Yun.

Season 2 can come soon enough.

G. H. (Gman)

I dont think Ashihara is Yun because when Pero 2 (I refuse to say pelops 2) goes into the past with the project he sees into the past shiva with ashihara, Ashihara seems confused what the song is, but JJ tells Yun what it is at the end.

I never got that impression he was confused, but the Singular Point Official Guide released earlier this month confirms that Ashihara, and I quote, "triggered the protocol that Yun wrote."

But was the trigger intentional? I dunno maybe season 2 will answer that