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My problem with singular point and monsterverse

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GiganMember2802 XPAug-24-2021 11:52 AMTeam Ghidorah

It’s not a very long issue and it’s not super big for me but it’s something that annoys me.

Monsterverse and Both Singular Point seem to be distancing from Hiroshima and radiation in general.

While monsterverse talks about radiation, it does so in the 1950s American way, of a miracle energy, not the darker ideas in Japan. And Godzilla doesn’t point out the faults in using it as a weapon, but mainly is a creature that adapted to live on it. 

While shin Godzilla is an animal that adapted to live on it, it still is punishing humanity, and it’s design doesn’t even show radiation as a positive for the animal at all.

Now to Singular Point. Radiation is barely even mentioned, maybe when he uses atomic breath, but no connection is really ever made to it in the show.

Ways to fix these.

By having humanity trying to use titan radiation in weapons might make them attack humanity.

Making Godzilla Ultima reason for coming to our demension is because the atom bomb created the way in. 

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6 Responses to My problem with singular point and monsterverse


GiganMember3029 XPAug-24-2021 1:38 PMTeam Mothra

Yeah kind of like G-Energy but its T-energy



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GiganMember2802 XPAug-24-2021 4:08 PMTeam Ghidorah

I love singular point, but I really want this resolved

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic. Frank Herbert

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GiganAdmin4445 XPAug-24-2021 4:53 PMTeam Ghidorah

Given that there's still a great deal yet to be resolved in Singular Point, the nagging question of why monsters appeared in our dimension has the opportunity to alleviate these issues. And if not there's still enough post-war and (oddly enough) pre-WWII thematic elements that keep it tied to the monster and its kin. As I've said before, it's less about the bomb and more about the figurative fallout that followed. Godzilla may have been born of the bomb, but he existed in the post-war, which is by and large what the series has been about.

The Monsterverse was problematic with how it played with the subject of radioactivity/the bomb from the get-go. But after King of the Monsters I'm convinced it shouldn't even bother--Though GvK is not a suitable alternative. If there are to be more, I hope it angles its themes with more significant thought.

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GiganMember2802 XPAug-24-2021 5:07 PMTeam Ghidorah

G. H. (Gman)

It seems more disconnected though. The mentions of radiation we get at all is a chart showing Godzilla’s contamination after atomic breath and a mention of the element radon (which is radioactive.) 


I was going to finish the thought I do think that even if not said radiation is very applicable in the story. Archetype clouds do seem to stylistically resemble mushroom clouds. But  I think the most poignant example could be the scene where professor li dies. There’s a bomb like cloud and Rodan come soon after. The survivors hide under what appears to be thick concrete 

I’d just like more of an implied connection. I think directly stating it might ruin it, but implying it would add a whole lot to the origin

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic. Frank Herbert

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4445 XPAug-24-2021 7:45 PMTeam Ghidorah

Something I want to emphasize though is that Godzilla films and stories have not always highlighted radiation or the bomb. Going back to what I said about the Godzilla series being a run of stories about how Japan is handling the aftermath of the bomb, I want to point at a movie that has no explicit ties to radiation: All Monsters Attack.

I'll side-step the debate over the film's quality for a moment and focus on its themes. It's a deconstruction of the Japanese nuclear family in the 1960s & '70s, showing what they had to deal with because of the one-sided economic situation. While technically there was an economic boom at the time, all of the money was going to big corporations. Japan had shifted into democratized capitalism as opposed to the feudal version they had maintained during WWII.

By the 1960s modern capitalism in Japan was barely 30 years old and the number reaping its benefits was uneven. All Monsters Attack highlights this with families living in downtrodden/polluted areas, tiny apartment homes, parents who are both working and unable to raise their children, crime on the rise, etc.

All of that to say, All Monsters Attack may not have anything to do with the bomb or even WWII. But the film highlights some of the many cascade effects the bomb had on post-war Japan. Japan's defeat by the bomb led to Milo Rowell and Courtney Witney westernizing Japan's constitution and, by extension, their economic system. This system constricted many families in the '60s until the bubble finally burst in 1992 when the Japanese stock market crashed. Post-American occupation, Japan was left to their own devices in order to cope with these new systems--Setting them up for failure in the long run.

It has nothing to do with the bomb or radiation, but what better character to highlight these post-war pains than Godzilla? I think there's plenty of places Godzilla can go, and has gone (thematically), that relates back to Japan's defeat without directly being tied into the bomb/radiation.

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