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Other than another alien Titan, the next big bad could be a genetically engineered Titan.

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Gojirafan2013

MemberBaragonNov-05-2021 12:57 PM

During the meeting at Castle Bravo in KOTM, Dr. Graham states that Alan Jonah has been funding his group of Eco Terrorists by selling Titan DNA on the black market, and if you remember back before the scene where Emma Russel uses the ORCA to wake up Ghidorah in Antarctica, Alan Jonah and his crew steal some samples of his DNA while they are raiding the Monarch Outpost. Alan Jonah could still be in possession of that DNA from Outpost 31 after the events of KOTM. He may even already have some of DNA samples that he extracted from the two Ghidorah heads he had in his possession before he sold them to APEX (according to the GVK novelization).

Also, from what I’ve heard, there is a scene in Godzilla: Dominion where a group of mercenaries capture a Titan named Na Kika in an attempt to take some samples of her DNA before she is saved by Godzilla. Could this group be the Eco Terrorists that we saw in KOTM? If so, this scene implies that they have been attempting to get their hands on Titan DNA since the Mass Awakening.

If Alan Jonah returns in the future, maybe he’ll create a new super Titan using the DNA of Ghidorah and several other Titans. I think a scenario like this is very plausible, and seems like the next logical step for the MonsterVerse to go in. Godzilla has already fought two parasitic Titans (MUTOs), an invasive alien Titan who happens to be an ancient rival of his (Ghidorah), and a robotic doppelgänger that is possessed by one of his rival’s heads (Mechagodzilla). So why not introduce the concept of humanity creating a Bio-Titan (whether it be Biollante or an original creation)?

If we end up seeing a Bio-Titan in the MonsterVerse, it may either show up as a new adversary for Godzilla to fight in another sequel of his, or in a big ensemble film that has Godzilla, Kong, Mothra, Rodan, Behemoth, and all the other Titans teaming up to defeat it. This film would be a reboot of Destroy All Monsters.

TLDR: I believe the next big MonsterVerse villain will be a genetically engineered Titan that’s created by either APEX or the Eco Terrorists. It may either be Biollante or an original creation. The idea of creating a Bio-Titan seems like the next logical step in the MonsterVerse after we’ve had an alien Titan and a robo-Titan.

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaNov-09-2021 9:31 AM

SasquaDash,
I think had Gareth Edwards, Michael Dougherty or Adam Wingard said similar things (and Dougherty, to his credit has to fans on twitter) they would be creatives sticking to their guns. I've criticized their decisions for a great deal of creative reasons ranging from boring to flat out misunderstanding the material--Not unlike your assertion of the anime trilogy--But I have not criticized them sticking to those creative decisions or villifying them as non-fans. (Something Wingard may or may not have done against studio pressure, the background on that is still fuzzy though.) Inept talents? That's another story.

What you have proposed is that Sesheta and Shizuno are non-fans out to torpedo the franchise in comparison to Emmerich and Devlin. (And admittedly, their goal wasn't to torpedo it either.) I don't believe anyone got the job to do that, although Emmerich is certainly the closest given his comments for how much he disliked and insulted the series.

As for praising the Polygon trilogy for bringing up new ideas and throwing the Monsterverse under the bus for "doing the same", I disagree with the latter considerably. HinikunaGoji has it down pat. Again, I've wondered since 2019, would the Monsterverse be given a pass and be so beloved if it were a Toho, tokusatsu production framed shot-for-shot with Japanese actors and effects? I've posed this question to numerous people on various occasions and even on this forum I've been told, "no". It would just be another Heisei/Millennium-era, poorly told retread on space monster invasions (2019 King Ghidorah to Monster-X, Orga, SpaceGodzilla and... well... King Ghidorah), psuedo-military factions (Monarch to G-Force, G-Graspers, AMF, M-Force), fictional sci-fi vehicles (the Argo & HEAV to Super-X, Super-X II, Garuda, Super-X III, Griffon, AC-3 White Heron, Gotengo) and older themes that have been covered before in better movies--Something I won't bring into the conversation at this point as I see it only opening a can of worms.

The anime trilogy took on all new, existential themes never touched by the franchise and made a point to be different all around from kaiju concept to thematic ideas while still keeping the basics of their godlike heritage.

But I digress. The initial debate was whether or not Sesheta and Shizuno are non-fans out to kill the franchise, ala, G'98. There's just not enough there to show that.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Kattozilla

MemberAnguirusNov-09-2021 9:59 AM

sort of, i guess. a bit like Battra and Mothra. the kaiju is definitely a big good lol

i've officially left. thanks for the memories!

Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 10:10 AM

Kattozilla

Nador

opposite of rodan?

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SasquaDash

MemberAnguirusNov-09-2021 10:15 AM

G. H. (Gman)

At no point did I say Sesheta and Shizuno were out to kill the franchise, I stated that they didn't really know what they were doing with the franchise and didn't really seem to care if they were getting the source material right, and, based on their own comments, they wanted to annoy and alienate the "traditionalists", because in their minds that meant they were doing something "right". Not to mention how they brushed off any criticism, accusing those who didn't like it of "not getting it" and stating that the story was "too complicated" for them, basically insinuating that they're to "dumb" to get their work, which is extremely insulting and disrespectful to the fanbase. Along with that they kept trying to claim that they were responsible for the franchise's success, claiming that the Godzilla Store could only be successful because of their work (Apparently they think that Godzilla merchandise didn't exist or matter before the Polygon Trilogy), which comes of as pretty narcissistic. I'm all for doing new things with the franchise, but going out of your way to alienate and disrespect your primary audience is not a good way of doing it.

As for the question if I would still like the Monsterverse if it were made by Toho and was a tokusatsu production. My answer is Yes, I would still like it.

"Neither beast nor man. Something monstrous."

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaNov-09-2021 10:57 AM

True, you didn't, though, "based on their own statements it seems like they went out of there way to disrespect the series as much as they could, rather than honoring it," comes close I suppose.

I'm also curious as to where you're getting your info from. While they most Sesheta most certainly implied confirmation of welcoming the criticism, and Shizuno admitted to not being a fan, the assertions of it being "too complicated" and that they were the reasons for the Godzilla Store (they never said that) sound sucpiciously like a Oricon and Gigazine translation that Matt Frank confirmed to be misconstrued, yet was conveniently perpetuated by a certain youtuber that left that little nugget out since he didn't like the trilogy. I can't help but wonder which version of context you're using?

As for the Monsterverse, good for you. I for one think it would've just been the same bland stuff Toho had been shelling out since 1991, save for two or three entries. It certainly feels like it now--Hollywood or not.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

sonictiger

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 11:28 AM

Nostalgic does not equal good, which is what the MonsterVerse really relied on quite a bit.  Also they bait you with big names like Bryan Cranston and Millie Bobby Brown.  I think since Biollante hasn't been in any other movies it'd be a tad more original than relying on the most popular Toho IPs to cross paths with our hunky reptile boi Godzilla.

“Calling yourself a hero make you a self-mythologizing narcissistic autocrat!”

SasquaDash

MemberAnguirusNov-09-2021 12:00 PM

 

"I can't help but wonder which version of context you're using?"

I'm using the exact same translation as the one your using...

 

"conveniently perpetuated by a certain youtuber that left that little nugget out since he didn't like the trilogy"

So if someone doesn't fully agree with your view point that means they're immediately wrong and "conveniently perpetuating false hoods"? Is this the same way you've accused me of "conveniently targeting" you, because my opinions oppose yours and because I've called out hypocrisy in the past? Honestly, it seems like your "conveniently" spinning a narrative in an attempt to discredit those who don't agree with you.

"Neither beast nor man. Something monstrous."

Xenotaris

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 12:20 PM

I think underated kaiju need some international love

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Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 12:28 PM

sonictiger

Home Alone 2021 coming to Disney+ soon!

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaNov-09-2021 12:30 PM

SasquaDash,
"So if someone doesn't fully agree with your view point that means they're immediately wrong and 'conveniently perpetuating false hoods'?"

It's reads like this that blow comments like Sesheta's out of proportion. I'm asking where is your sources coming from in this particular instance, because there has indeed been a misread of it in the past. This isn't about disagreeing or agreeing with an opinion, SasquaDash, this is about making sure the facts we are basing such opinions on are correct.

Please leave personal accusations in my private messages. My invitation there still stands.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

sonictiger

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 1:03 PM

Falsehoods is actually a good way to describe how WB tried to paint G'14 and KOTM like big sci-fi masterpieces when monster movies have never been that ever.

Just saying.

“Calling yourself a hero make you a self-mythologizing narcissistic autocrat!”

Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 2:19 PM

sonictiger

“when monster movies have never been that ever.”

You realize that Godzilla 1954 was nominated for best picture in Japan 

and Shin Godzilla Won best picture.

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Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 2:22 PM

And The Gamera Hesei Trilgoy was a masterpiece.

I need to talk about Dume, maybe I’ll make a topic

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Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 2:24 PM

sonictiger

And WB never tried to paint KOTM as a masterpiece nor GvK. Just as movies.

which for the last time, G14’ is a good movie. I don’t get the acting criticism. Ford is a soldier who has been conditioned to mask emotions. It’s not poor acting it’s intentional. It’s not a perfect movie. But it’s one of the things that solidified my love for the franchise

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sonictiger

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 2:43 PM

I'd say KOTM had better acting (for two characters) than Ford, but most of the writing makes it feel overdone and wacky.

Godzilla'54 and Shin were exceptions because they were more original.  Godzilla did a good job showing what could happen with nukes and atomics and Shin had a tragic Godzilla who tried to become a human but got killed.

 

Those stand out.  But everything else is a more or less creature feature through and through.

“Calling yourself a hero make you a self-mythologizing narcissistic autocrat!”

Xenotaris

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 3:41 PM

I honestly don't get the hate people sling at Godzilla 2014, its my favorite monsterverse film

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Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 4:06 PM

sonictiger

as an actor (not professional but working to it), I will say. Acting comes with understanding the character which I talked about with for Ford, again his character choices make sense given the character.

Both 1954 and Shin were tragic. And Shin was about politics between two countries by placing them in that situation it wasn’t about Godzilla.

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Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 4:11 PM

sonictiger

As for KOTM if I were to describe it, overdone is not one of the ways I would. I think it’s very well paced, and the action sequences are great. But attempted character arcs aren’t done well enough, it’s mostly issues with exposition and dialogue. The Opening scene with Madison and Emma talking before seeing Mothra is stellar, and to me motivations were real and done well. But how they continued forward in the movie isn’t great. The underwater scene could have gotten rid of the dialogue about why Godzilla is flashing his lights display, because the audience should already be intimidated and you don’t have to tell them again. There’s a lot of useless dialogue I feel could be cut, but over the movie is still very enjoyable to watch.

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sonictiger

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 4:15 PM

Madison's character arc is stellar but completely undermined by the writers failing to properly write an arc for Emma, a character that Madison was so heavily connected to.

“Calling yourself a hero make you a self-mythologizing narcissistic autocrat!”

Xenotaris

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 4:30 PM

Yeah as someone who is from a military family, Ford behaves very military. You wouldn't want an emotional soldier/marine would you?

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sonictiger

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 4:38 PM

That's what we usually get in movies and shows, and it's a lot more realistic since we've seen real-life soldiers get emotional.

“Calling yourself a hero make you a self-mythologizing narcissistic autocrat!”

Xenotaris

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 4:42 PM

masking your emotions, makes the enemy believe you are an emotionless killing machine. Showing your emotions (including anger) in combat would make you look weak to the enemy and thus can be exploited.

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Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 5:05 PM

sonictiger

He spends time masking emotions around people he doesn’t trust like the monarch agents for instance.

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Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 5:06 PM

He’s emotional around his family and screams when he sees his daddie

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Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 5:07 PM

*dad die

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sonictiger

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 7:06 PM

Bryan Cranston as Joe Brody = Wasted

Millie Bobby Brown as Madison Russell = Wasted

Whatshisface as Ren Seriwaza = Wasted

John Goodman as IDK in Kong = Wasted

 

I can see why Ford be crying.  There's a trend here...

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Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-09-2021 10:20 PM

sonictiger

They were never planning to explain even ren serizawa at all. 

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sonictiger

MemberGiganNov-10-2021 10:27 AM

Which sucks.

“Calling yourself a hero make you a self-mythologizing narcissistic autocrat!”

Djdndnejwnwn

MemberGiganNov-10-2021 11:09 AM

sonictiger

I think it was a smart move. He’s not super super important after all. And Wingard was right in trimming back on humans and putting in more monster action as the focus.

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