Other than another alien Titan, the next big bad could be a genetically engineered Titan.

SasquaDash,
I think had Gareth Edwards, Michael Dougherty or Adam Wingard said similar things (and Dougherty, to his credit has to fans on twitter) they would be creatives sticking to their guns. I've criticized their decisions for a great deal of creative reasons ranging from boring to flat out misunderstanding the material--Not unlike your assertion of the anime trilogy--But I have not criticized them sticking to those creative decisions or villifying them as non-fans. (Something Wingard may or may not have done against studio pressure, the background on that is still fuzzy though.) Inept talents? That's another story.

What you have proposed is that Sesheta and Shizuno are non-fans out to torpedo the franchise in comparison to Emmerich and Devlin. (And admittedly, their goal wasn't to torpedo it either.) I don't believe anyone got the job to do that, although Emmerich is certainly the closest given his comments for how much he disliked and insulted the series.

As for praising the Polygon trilogy for bringing up new ideas and throwing the Monsterverse under the bus for "doing the same", I disagree with the latter considerably. HinikunaGoji has it down pat. Again, I've wondered since 2019, would the Monsterverse be given a pass and be so beloved if it were a Toho, tokusatsu production framed shot-for-shot with Japanese actors and effects? I've posed this question to numerous people on various occasions and even on this forum I've been told, "no". It would just be another Heisei/Millennium-era, poorly told retread on space monster invasions (2019 King Ghidorah to Monster-X, Orga, SpaceGodzilla and... well... King Ghidorah), psuedo-military factions (Monarch to G-Force, G-Graspers, AMF, M-Force), fictional sci-fi vehicles (the Argo & HEAV to Super-X, Super-X II, Garuda, Super-X III, Griffon, AC-3 White Heron, Gotengo) and older themes that have been covered before in better movies--Something I won't bring into the conversation at this point as I see it only opening a can of worms.

The anime trilogy took on all new, existential themes never touched by the franchise and made a point to be different all around from kaiju concept to thematic ideas while still keeping the basics of their godlike heritage.

But I digress. The initial debate was whether or not Sesheta and Shizuno are non-fans out to kill the franchise, ala, G'98. There's just not enough there to show that.

sort of, i guess. a bit like Battra and Mothra. the kaiju is definitely a big good lol

Kattozilla

Nador

opposite of rodan?

G. H. (Gman)

At no point did I say Sesheta and Shizuno were out to kill the franchise, I stated that they didn't really know what they were doing with the franchise and didn't really seem to care if they were getting the source material right, and, based on their own comments, they wanted to annoy and alienate the "traditionalists", because in their minds that meant they were doing something "right". Not to mention how they brushed off any criticism, accusing those who didn't like it of "not getting it" and stating that the story was "too complicated" for them, basically insinuating that they're to "dumb" to get their work, which is extremely insulting and disrespectful to the fanbase. Along with that they kept trying to claim that they were responsible for the franchise's success, claiming that the Godzilla Store could only be successful because of their work (Apparently they think that Godzilla merchandise didn't exist or matter before the Polygon Trilogy), which comes of as pretty narcissistic. I'm all for doing new things with the franchise, but going out of your way to alienate and disrespect your primary audience is not a good way of doing it.

As for the question if I would still like the Monsterverse if it were made by Toho and was a tokusatsu production. My answer is Yes, I would still like it.

True, you didn't, though, "based on their own statements it seems like they went out of there way to disrespect the series as much as they could, rather than honoring it," comes close I suppose.

I'm also curious as to where you're getting your info from. While they most Sesheta most certainly implied confirmation of welcoming the criticism, and Shizuno admitted to not being a fan, the assertions of it being "too complicated" and that they were the reasons for the Godzilla Store (they never said that) sound sucpiciously like a Oricon and Gigazine translation that Matt Frank confirmed to be misconstrued, yet was conveniently perpetuated by a certain youtuber that left that little nugget out since he didn't like the trilogy. I can't help but wonder which version of context you're using?

As for the Monsterverse, good for you. I for one think it would've just been the same bland stuff Toho had been shelling out since 1991, save for two or three entries. It certainly feels like it now--Hollywood or not.

Nostalgic does not equal good, which is what the MonsterVerse really relied on quite a bit.  Also they bait you with big names like Bryan Cranston and Millie Bobby Brown.  I think since Biollante hasn't been in any other movies it'd be a tad more original than relying on the most popular Toho IPs to cross paths with our hunky reptile boi Godzilla.

"I can't help but wonder which version of context you're using?"

I'm using the exact same translation as the one your using...

"conveniently perpetuated by a certain youtuber that left that little nugget out since he didn't like the trilogy"

So if someone doesn't fully agree with your view point that means they're immediately wrong and "conveniently perpetuating false hoods"? Is this the same way you've accused me of "conveniently targeting" you, because my opinions oppose yours and because I've called out hypocrisy in the past? Honestly, it seems like your "conveniently" spinning a narrative in an attempt to discredit those who don't agree with you.

I think underated kaiju need some international love

sonictiger

Home Alone 2021 coming to Disney+ soon!

SasquaDash,
"So if someone doesn't fully agree with your view point that means they're immediately wrong and 'conveniently perpetuating false hoods'?"

It's reads like this that blow comments like Sesheta's out of proportion. I'm asking where is your sources coming from in this particular instance, because there has indeed been a misread of it in the past. This isn't about disagreeing or agreeing with an opinion, SasquaDash, this is about making sure the facts we are basing such opinions on are correct.

Please leave personal accusations in my private messages. My invitation there still stands.

Falsehoods is actually a good way to describe how WB tried to paint G'14 and KOTM like big sci-fi masterpieces when monster movies have never been that ever.

Just saying.

sonictiger

“when monster movies have never been that ever.”

You realize that Godzilla 1954 was nominated for best picture in Japan 

and Shin Godzilla Won best picture.

And The Gamera Hesei Trilgoy was a masterpiece.

I need to talk about Dume, maybe I’ll make a topic

sonictiger

And WB never tried to paint KOTM as a masterpiece nor GvK. Just as movies.

which for the last time, G14’ is a good movie. I don’t get the acting criticism. Ford is a soldier who has been conditioned to mask emotions. It’s not poor acting it’s intentional. It’s not a perfect movie. But it’s one of the things that solidified my love for the franchise

I'd say KOTM had better acting (for two characters) than Ford, but most of the writing makes it feel overdone and wacky.

Godzilla'54 and Shin were exceptions because they were more original.  Godzilla did a good job showing what could happen with nukes and atomics and Shin had a tragic Godzilla who tried to become a human but got killed.

Those stand out.  But everything else is a more or less creature feature through and through.

I honestly don't get the hate people sling at Godzilla 2014, its my favorite monsterverse film

sonictiger

as an actor (not professional but working to it), I will say. Acting comes with understanding the character which I talked about with for Ford, again his character choices make sense given the character.

Both 1954 and Shin were tragic. And Shin was about politics between two countries by placing them in that situation it wasn’t about Godzilla.

sonictiger

As for KOTM if I were to describe it, overdone is not one of the ways I would. I think it’s very well paced, and the action sequences are great. But attempted character arcs aren’t done well enough, it’s mostly issues with exposition and dialogue. The Opening scene with Madison and Emma talking before seeing Mothra is stellar, and to me motivations were real and done well. But how they continued forward in the movie isn’t great. The underwater scene could have gotten rid of the dialogue about why Godzilla is flashing his lights display, because the audience should already be intimidated and you don’t have to tell them again. There’s a lot of useless dialogue I feel could be cut, but over the movie is still very enjoyable to watch.

Madison's character arc is stellar but completely undermined by the writers failing to properly write an arc for Emma, a character that Madison was so heavily connected to.

Yeah as someone who is from a military family, Ford behaves very military. You wouldn't want an emotional soldier/marine would you?

That's what we usually get in movies and shows, and it's a lot more realistic since we've seen real-life soldiers get emotional.

masking your emotions, makes the enemy believe you are an emotionless killing machine. Showing your emotions (including anger) in combat would make you look weak to the enemy and thus can be exploited.

sonictiger

He spends time masking emotions around people he doesn’t trust like the monarch agents for instance.

He’s emotional around his family and screams when he sees his daddie

*dad die

Bryan Cranston as Joe Brody = Wasted

Millie Bobby Brown as Madison Russell = Wasted

Whatshisface as Ren Seriwaza = Wasted

John Goodman as IDK in Kong = Wasted

I can see why Ford be crying.  There's a trend here...

sonictiger

They were never planning to explain even ren serizawa at all. 

Which sucks.

sonictiger

I think it was a smart move. He’s not super super important after all. And Wingard was right in trimming back on humans and putting in more monster action as the focus.