Godzilla Vs. Kong: Is It Going To Be A Good Movie Or Bad Movie?

Ranking Ghidorahs from Least Powerful to Most

GMK

Hesei

Showa

Monsterverse - Yes more strong than Showa, Showa has nowhere near the speed, agility, or regenerative capabilities.

Anime

SarcasticGoji, THANK YOU.  Rodan just fought Mothra.  And then Mothra beat Rodan.  And Mothra transferred her powers to Godzilla because he got his butt kicked by Ghidorah.

Never watched the Netflix Anime btw.

Ghidorah Is OP,

but I wish we didn’t just see his heads. I wanted to see him descend on the helpless Godzilla earth in his full form

ok, but do ya think Mecha-King-Ghidorah will be in the MonsterVerse soon?

SarcasticGoji,
But the movie and director established that Godzilla had already defeated King Ghidorah in a one-on-one battle. Additionally, Dougherty also said had the Oxygen Destroyer not been launched, Godzilla would've won the battle with King Ghidorah in the ocean. When King Ghidorah was cornered by Godzilla and Mothra, he needed Rodan to take the heat off of him--So you just sorta proved my point. Furthermore, he retreated when Monarch attacked him in Antarctica. Not to mention it took awhile for three heads to hit one humvee... Showa Ghidorah would've just wiped the whole city clean in seconds.

Not a very impressive incarnation and the writers could've done a great deal more to make him seem more threatening and less of a bully.

sonictiger,
It's not so much that I'm worried about past failures, but they do inform future projects. I never once said I'm not giving Godzilla vs. Kong a chance, but after the letdown of the previous movie, my expectations are not very high. Which is probably for the best.

G.H. (Gman),

The movie still at least has a lot more to get behind, and KotM was much more of a movie that you needed to do your research on.  All you need to do for GvK is watch Kong: Skull Island and Godzilla: King Of The Monsters.  And think on the bright side, this movie does have a lot of hype attributed to it and it's a promising project.  The trailers have done a good job of selling the idea.  All it needs now is good execution for the whole movie.

sonictiger,
I concur. Hopefully it stands on its own as a solid film.

@Gman

The battle in the Antarctic was probably underwater, because Ghidorah would need to freeze so of course Goji won That one. Notice on my original list I said maybe, because it depends on the environment. And since people in this discussion started talking about land, I said what I thought would happen on land. I didn’t specify and that’s my fault. But the Rodan and Mothra comments are obsolete to this discussion.

And about impressiveness. I don’t know about you, but generating a cyclone around yourself is pretty impressive. And I like that Ghidorah was actuall at written as a Villain, and not a pawn.

Thanks Gman, hopefully GvK stands on it's own as a good movie.

I agree with you SarcasticGoji

SarcasticGoji,
We don't know if it was underwater in Antartica or not, that's merely fan speculation.

But if we're talking about how well written King Ghidorah is, that's the majority of my issue. He's not.

King Ghidorah was more intimidating when characters talked about him than when he was actually on-screen. We constantly have it rammed down our throats how Godzilla's rivalry with King Ghidorah is "legendary", but we don't see King Ghidorah do a lot himself. We never actually see him destroy a city, ala prior movies. He retreats during the first battle after Monarch arrives (of all things), it was confirmed by Dougherty he would've lost against Godzilla in the second battle had the Oxygen Destroyer not intervened and he needed Rodan's assistance after Mothra arrived to help Godzilla in Boston. So much for visual storytelling establishing their rivalry. Not my favorite incarnation of the character by a long shot.

It really highlights just how well his introduction was handled in the original, 1964 debut. In that film there was build up--He was the last monster to show up in the movie, because the film built up to his big reveal, saving him for the final act - We were shown he's an alien, not told, because he landed in a meteor (*gasp* visual storytelling!) - We're highlighted how powerful Godzilla and Rodan are by seeing them pound each other for half of the movie, giving audiences an idea how strong King Ghidorah must be if they have to team up with Mothra - We watch how quickly he can exterminate a single city, especially compared to Godzilla & Rodan - The military don't even bother mounting an attack on him. This is not about comparing which incarnation is stronger. This is about which was established better as a threat in terms of cinematic storytelling and build-up. Honda, Sekizawa and Tsuburaya nailed it. Dougherty and Shields decided to write the least effective route for a villainous nemesis possible. The Monsterverse version just comes off as a bully that needs a world of monsters' help at best.

Destroyah is totally going to be in a future MonsterVerse movie due to the Oxygen Destroyer.  But it doesn't make sense how Ghidorah exactly knew how the ORCA was a machine, it was being used from far away and how did Godzilla not sense the ORCA?

@Gman

I agree, but I didn’t say he was well written. I just liked that he was the villain, not used by aliens. In the anime, it also played on the common Showa storyline of aliens controlling monsters, while Anime Ghidorah controlled the Exif,

Exif sounds like ORCA ngl.

Again, never watched it.

Exif the Alien race that worships Ghidorah. They are also called Xiliens 

ohhh nvm xd

Actually the Exifs are based on the Xiliens, they are not Xiliens themselves

@Xeno

They are inspired by the Xiliens, But the Exif have three names. The Exif, Exiles, and Xiliens. So they are Xiliens, not just inspired

ok

I need to rewatch the Godzilla anime to confirm that

Actually this information comes from the Anime Movies’ Website not in the movies. My theory is that Xilien is their name in their language

They're only called Exif in-film. Toho's English press information for Planet of the Monsters does call the Exif characters Xilliens. It was later copied into their English website. This is the only material that lists the Exif as Xilliens.

So the press mistakenly referred the Exif as Xilliens

Does that not make it Canon?

How did this go from GvK to the netflix anime godzilla?

We talked about KOTM and it’s writing quality (in which many of us have strong opinions on) then to Ghidorah, then Anime Ghidorah (I love the backstory and appreciate them trying something new), to me incorrectly calling Exif Xilliens 

"Canon" may not be the right word. It does seem to solidify them with an alternate name in terms of licensing. But there doesn't seem to be any in-universe reference.

*Sigh* ok goji.  I guess more power to you then.

I mean both Exif and the Xiliens are good at deceiving humanity but the two species function in complete opposites despite their similarities.

Xiliens were known for their ability to control kaiju (including King Ghidorah)

Exif were the ones being controlled by a kaiju