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Godzilla’s Origin in Singular Point?

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Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPMay-27-2021 12:58 PMTeam Ghidorah

One thing I’ve been wondering about Godzilla Singular Point, is what is the origin of Godzilla. I have not watched the show yet but little clips that pop up on youtube, so this will likely be inaccurate.

Based on my Knowledge the cause of the song that leads mei and yin to something (I don’t know what) are the bones of another godzilla. Now this seems interesting to me and makes it seem like godzilla is an event that happens every so often. The show also alludes to the fact that Godzilla is Capable of destroying the world. I did initially think Godzilla was some sort of deity, but I don’t have much evidence to back that up. I do think that maybe the species of Godzilla, (it seems there are more of them) follow so behavior like a migration every so often and it happens to end the world. 

I think that This particular godzilla seems to be natural based, because none of its qualities, other than atomic breath, seem like the product of an atomic bomb. The designer also stated to have designed godzilla ultima to look like it could anatomically correct and could live. (That’s also the same reason it’s legs are so big, the screenwriter is also a physicist and from what I’ve heard, has calculated how big his legs should be, and how he should move)

So i think that either Godzilla Ultima is a deity of some kind or a natural organism that is doing something every member of its species does which just happens to end the world.

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Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPMay-27-2021 2:13 PMTeam Ghidorah

Well, the reason we can’t is a law I don’t know. And space time doesn’t exist beyond the speed of light

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Spider-Punk

AnguirusMember1258 XPMay-27-2021 2:23 PMTeam Godzilla

Hmmm...

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G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4783 XPMay-27-2021 2:27 PMTeam Ghidorah

SarcasticGoji,
Mei actually made this argument very briefly a few episodes back. It somehow relates to archetype objects being physically inverted or inside out. (She has an archetype "flower" in a cube that's inside out.)

They haven't really given an answer to that outside of mildly addressing the problem that kaiju are not theoretical creatures since they exist in our world.

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Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPMay-27-2021 2:39 PMTeam Ghidorah

G. H. (Gman)

Related to Timespace not existing past light speed? Or something else I said

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Spider-Punk

AnguirusMember1258 XPMay-27-2021 2:44 PMTeam Godzilla

I think it can exist past light speed, but our species just doesn't have the technology yet.

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Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPMay-27-2021 2:47 PMTeam Ghidorah

There’s a limitation on how fast humans can go. And according to math, timespace can’t exist past light speed 

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Spider-Punk

AnguirusMember1258 XPMay-27-2021 2:49 PMTeam Godzilla

Then how did aliens get here?

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Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPMay-27-2021 2:51 PMTeam Ghidorah

they didn’t 

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Spider-Punk

AnguirusMember1258 XPMay-27-2021 2:54 PMTeam Godzilla

You don't know that. What do you think all those UFOs are, huh?

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Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPMay-27-2021 2:59 PMTeam Ghidorah

light is fast, but space is SOOO SOOO BIG, that it’s takes billions of years to travel

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Spider-Punk

AnguirusMember1258 XPMay-27-2021 3:00 PMTeam Godzilla

True.

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Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPMay-27-2021 3:03 PMTeam Ghidorah

I did make a topic on how space travel could work, but You’ll have to find it yourself if your interested 

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Spider-Punk

AnguirusMember1258 XPMay-27-2021 3:05 PMTeam Godzilla

Ight.

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G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4783 XPMay-27-2021 3:16 PMTeam Ghidorah

SarcasticGoji,
I should've clarified. I was talking about your comment starting with,

"One thing that confuses me about your idea is if Archeype and kaiju come from othe demensions, then which one?"

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Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPMay-27-2021 3:29 PMTeam Ghidorah

G. H. (Gman)

An inverted cube does indeed make that shape. I’m questioning  the second demension because it’s the cube faces not the entire volume, but that doesn’t explain the kaiju

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Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPMay-27-2021 3:41 PMTeam Ghidorah

no wait the inverted cube is three demensional

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Spider-Punk

AnguirusMember1258 XPMay-27-2021 6:09 PMTeam Godzilla

Explain why it would be three-dimensional

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Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPMay-27-2021 8:12 PMTeam Ghidorah

the pictures of inverted used used have divided it into pyramids

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VortexTheComplex

Mothra LarvaeMember31 XPJun-03-2021 3:48 AMTeam Rodan

The more I learn about Singular Point the more I love it

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4783 XPJun-05-2021 11:02 PMTeam Ghidorah

MAJOR SPOILERS:

It's now been suggested that Godzilla is a Singular Point. In the latest episode Yun posits that Singular Points do not come from our world. The closer Singular Points get to each other the more likely they are to offset a"prophesied" Catastrophe that leads to the end of the world.

This Catastrophe was seen by the scientist who discovered Archetype, via a "Super Calculator" used to decipher Archetype/Singular Points.

So it seems the kaiju do come from an alternate dimension, but how and why they got to our world is still a mystery.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPJun-06-2021 12:20 AMTeam Ghidorah

I found a way to legally watch the show soo....

SPOILERS:

I'm actually gonna rant about Archetype and Godzilla being a singular point. 

Archetype is weird. Not only is a strange material that can trap light without converting it to heat, but also refract it through time. THis itself creates a singular point, in which photons from the future and present are indistinguishable. The ability for Archetype to create these points is interesting and probably explains why Godzilla (a singular point) can manipulate it. 

The Series seems to be toying with the idea that the future is fixed, and the ony reason it seems unpredictable is because we have no knowledge of it. 

 

If time is not fixed the explanation for time prediction, via archetype and anguirus could be the other material that I forget the name of.

 

The show also offers an interesting view at what 4d life could look like. Because we are 3d beings, we are not ablw to see their fourth demension, Time. But the abilities of Anguirus, Archetype, and that godzilla is a singular point, where time is indistinguishable, suggests that they can be measured in time at all moments.

 

So I submit, Kaiju are 4d.

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G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4783 XPJun-06-2021 12:48 AMTeam Ghidorah

I definitely think it's pushing for the "fixed loop" theory of time, hence the message Yun is getting from the future. Kaiju definitely seem to be 4th dimensional beings in this continuity which explains their ability to see time and/or manipulate it.

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ErimakiAnguirus

Mothra LarvaeMember36 XPJun-07-2021 6:25 PMTeam Godzilla

The Archetype seems to be from another dimension. So I am going to guess Godzilla and the other kaiju are from this Archetype Dimension.

Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPJun-07-2021 7:38 PMTeam Ghidorah

 ErimakiAnguirus

It definitely is, I think the fourth demension specifically

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G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4783 XPJun-10-2021 12:23 AMTeam Ghidorah

One episode left... The latest episode really felt like a call to arms before a potentially hopeless showdown. Godzilla Singular Point has functioned like a steady climb toward the apocalypse since episode 1. Now that it's here I'm chomping at the bit for the conclusion to see if it can stick the landing. The series' attention to hard science as a solution that's ambiguously metaphorized via literature/myth is like a heightened variation of Honda's approach to kaiju stories. I almost hate to see it end, but I applaud how tight it's been.

P.S. Remember to sacrifice virgins in Kan Sawada's name before you hit the hay tonight for this reason:

Apalu Upala variation

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4783 XPJun-10-2021 5:10 PMTeam Ghidorah

P.P.S. I guess Godzilla Ultima is over 100 meters now...

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Djdndnejwnwn

GiganMember3193 XPJun-11-2021 5:48 PMTeam Ghidorah

Episode 12 has been my favorite so far.

G. H. (Gman)

HE didnt like the short jokes.

Also that variation is amazing

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BigGrayGolem

Mothra LarvaeMember23 XPJun-11-2021 6:18 PM

Unfortunately, I think the show is -- ultimately -- the vanity project of a Physics professor. I first thought it was great, and liked the science backbone. The new monster designs are amazing. But I'm now done with Episode 12, and the last two episodes were nearly all physics lessons. In Ep 12 specifically, Godzilla makes no appearance, and Salunga appears in one scene for about 5 seconds. In Ep 11, Godzilla had about 10 seconds of screentime, obscured in red dust.

I get that adding a science backstory is interesting, but people don't generally watch Godzilla shows for 6-hour lessons in speculative physics. Worse, while the characters are likeable, they are wholly undeveloped. We have no backstory for any of them, and they each exist merely to utter the writer's physics technobabble. Each episode is simply exposition.

I think it's a matter of vanity and budget. By not showing the monsters (other than the Anguiras fight, and then the JJ vs. Kumongas fight), the show could rely on the cheaper 2D animation. 

Maybe Episode 13 will knock it out of the park, with the last few eps have lowered my expectations for either a meaningful explanation or any actual excitement.

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4783 XPJun-11-2021 9:09 PMTeam Ghidorah

BigGrayGolem,
I vehemently disagree. All of EnJoe's work is high concept on this level and it's refreshing to have such a thing in the Godzilla franchise. This isn't an action series or a character driven series, it's all about the high concept. As such, characters in these stories, or stories like Shin Godzilla, or Gamera 2, don't have to be traditionally developed. In the latter cases, which are procedural based, not unlike Law & Order, the characters are conduits for the story's ideas and concepts. It's the same here. While the characters are not heavy on development, they work because their fascination and enthusiasm for the concept(s) invest us in it as well.

An example I've likened to this is many of Christopher Nolan's films, particularly Tenet from last year (which I loved). The main character has a vague backstory, but his passion and drive are steeped in his dedication to his work and the story's concept. There aren't many personal threads to work with. Likewise, Yun and Mei's passion and drive is to their work - to the mystery - to safeguarding humanity and acting as conduits for the story.

This most certainly drives traditionalist, character writers, and audiences, nuts, but it's also an example of how there are many ways to approach characters and what kind of emphasis is put on them.

If these aren't reasons some people watch Godzilla-related stories, there's certainly plenty of others to pick from instead. Otherwise, I don't think it hurts to create and/or find new reasons to watch Godzilla-related content.
This in particular has become the most fascinating and re-watchable since GMK.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

BigGrayGolem

Mothra LarvaeMember23 XPJun-12-2021 5:02 AM

That's fine, but it's another case of a franchise moving to satisfy an aging demographic of adults who are still tied to their childhood, and abandoning people who are living their childhood RIGHT NOW... as in kids.

Our house has kids of various ages, 2-15, and all of them lost interest in Singular Point within 2 episodes. There's nothing here for them at all. And any Godzilla show that literally has only, maybe, five total minutes of Godzilla spread out over 6 hours is obviously doing something wrong.

Again, there was a way to have accomplished both aims, here. The show could have leaned into the physics stuff while still giving some "red meat" to fans who actually want to see kaiju in a show about kaiju. The only explanation as to Singular Points refusal to do so is either the creator's vanity/arrogance (trying to be the smartest guy in a room filled with otaku, which isn't hard), and/or budget. They simply couldn't afford the CGI monster animation, so packed it with hours and hours of 2d exposition scenes.

But if you're into Nolan, it makes sense. Nolan is another guy who tries to be the smartest guy while doing dumb things like eschewing character development or audible dialog as a means of looking artsy. But even Nolan got it right a few times; Dark Knight satisfied all audiences, both kids and adults alike.

I dunno. If I watch 6 hours of Godzilla, I wanna see Godzilla. Not people talking about Godzilla.

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