GODZILLA: Which King is really King?

Well, the American Godzilla (2014) is a realistic take on the 1954 Gojira. The AmeriGoji has a tough armored hide unlike most Gojira who's main defense is fast regeneration rather than tough hide. Thus the American Godzilla can take more of a beating than the other relatives. I mean, if "they were trying to kill it" back in the Nuclear 'tests' in the 50s and it still survived (presumably), I'd say the American Godzilla is tough.

Offensively, as far as melee combat, again I say the American Godzilla.  Yes, it's slightly taller than Japanese Gojira, but the American Godzilla has a much bigger build. This bigger size plus its armored hide would make any melee attacks that much more DAMAGING! Edwards was inspired by Bears and Komodo Dragons for the American Godzilla, making a close range fight very bad for your health! Much more lethal than boxing your opponent.

As far as the Atomic Breath, right now (20 days till movie release) we don't know much about the American Godzilla's Atomic Breath.

The 1954 Gojira had a mix of super intense heat and nuclear radiation. Later Japanese Gojira toned down the heat and radiation in favor for intense pressure.

I imagine the American Godzilla being an improved form of 1954 Gojira Atomic Breath. Only I imagine the heat/radiaiton levels being so HIGH that it's like real Nukes, just about nothing could survive the hit. Japanese Gojira's fast regeneration can't stop everything (like too much heat as in the meltdown case). Imagine a the Final Wars Gojira being hit by such intense heat that either he will die from his organs melting or his nuclear reactor going critical.

@TRUE AMERICAN GODZILLA - His size doesn't necessarily mean he will be as physically strong as his older incarnations. Gareth Edwards is aiming to keep this film as grounded as possible and as such I personally don't see him comparing to Final Wars Godzilla who not only possesed insane levels of physical strength, enough to throw Emperor Ghidorah (A much larger Kaiju) far into the sky and Kumonga well over the visible horizon, but his standard atomic breath had Red spiral ray level feats, usually finishing off all but the most elite of his oponents in one hit. 

While it is true and very impressive that Godzilla 2014 withstood, possibly multible megatons of explosive power, I'll wait to see what else he has in terms of durability. I remember in one of the tv spots he was being fired upon by multiple missles and they seemed to affect him to some degree. I don't think I need to restate how durable Final Wars Godzilla is. The man's a TANK. When I think about it though, mostly all modern incarnations of the monster have retarded durability feats. There's the instance in G against MG where he survived being frozen at absolute zero and some how broke free, probably thanks to his nuclear pulse ability. Godzilla's durability in almost all of his recent showings are pretty broke lol. Combined with his insane regen I'd say no fight between the zilla's would be quick, but there is a difference in power.

@SOMETHING REAL - And he was also originally set to rematch Destroyah. Think about how the writers must feel about his power for them to have originally considered that.

Okay I'm probably going to make a few posts to follow this 1 up after work, but I figured I'd throw in why Godzilla from Final Wars had the weakest or stupidest monsters any Godzilla in the series did, thus why all his fights seemed insanely 1 sided

Gigan in antarctica- Gigan his him with grappling hooks then stood about 50 feet away waiting to reel him in as his saw spun, thus took a headshot and died. The Gigan from showa was always on Godzilla because well, all his weapons were melee. His saw, hooks ect. This 1 stood still and tried to pull him in, which wasn't working for the most part. He could have run up to him with the blade going but nope, stand still and wait. Think that explains why he's 1 of the stupider incarnations.

Zilla- Joke fight meant to take shots at the american 1 not really indicative of either monster's powers

Kumonga- Doesn't use the projectile stinger from the showa that did the most damage to Godzilla in their earlier fight. Just hops around and shoots a web with huge holes that doesnt stop godzilla's movement at all. 

Kamacuras-Did about the same as the showa

Rodan/Anguirus/King Ceasar- Without a doubt the weakest version of all 3 of these monsters by a long shot. Let's look at what they all do in this fight shall we?

Rodan- Flies around aimlessly till he gets knocked out of the air and koed instantly. That's right the Rodan that charged headfirst into Ghidorah in there first meeting and fell to the ground together just to get back up and keep fighting got koed in 1 hit. The Rodan who even when he was the smallest monster in the Heisei took multiple shots from Godzilla's atomic ray, and MechaG's plasma grenade point blank gets koed from getting hit by anguirus, not that he did anything in the fight anyway.

Anguirus- Doesn't fight he plays the ball for King Ceasar's and Godzilla's soccer match. Then get's koed by getting hit into a rock. Yep gets bounced around goes through buildings with no problem but a rock ends him. 

King Ceasar- played soccer then ran up to godzilla and got thrown on top of the other 2 and done. Didn't get hit with a beam, didnt't get punched or kicked jumped into Godzilla's arms got tossed on the other 2 and done. It's silly enough to be a joke, but that sad part is that it isn't.

Not going to talk about hedorah and ebirah, because literally blinking at the wrong time would cause you to miss that fight, and gigan comes back but fights mothra for the most part so nothing to address there

Monster x- Pretty much a draw for the most part, Godzilla might have had a slight upper hand but nothing worth noting.

Eventually I'll get to why Heisei godzilla is the stronger of the 2, burning godzilla in particular but first thought I'd give some perspective on the monsters he fought. Any1 who's average will look like a beast if you put him against some of the biggest joke fights in the fanchise.

I think it moreso points at them being the weakest, as I said most of them didn't even use moves they had in the past, they just sat there and got dropped 1 by 1. Had king Ceasar actually gotten punched, kicked or shot I might see how Final Wars in so strong, but for the most part he doesn't do much besides shoot a beam at a few. Shot a beam at kamacuras then threw him onto a telephone pole essentially, almost exactly what the showa godzilla did except the showa Godzilla slammed kamacuras into the ground rather than impale him on something. Kumongs he threw away, which is really the only true agrument for how strong he is by how far he sent him. Granted he grabbed the rope when Kumonga was in the air so not as though he had to lift him, and Kumonga isn't exactly the heaviest monster. Besides throwing Kumonga I don't see anything he did that was that amazing or so far beyond other Godzilla's abilities.

Some say he took a meteor to the face but I disagree with that. For 1 monster X who was inside the meteor floated down after the explosion. Had godzilla actually been hit by the meteor Monster X would have been immediately on top of him, but the fact the monster floated down afterwards points to the meteor being destroyed in the air. Granted he did take the huge explosion like a champ, but what Godzilla hasn't been able to take an explosion?

Heisei Godzilla got so many boosts and power ups throughout his series it's hard not too see him as the top 1. Not to mention, unlike final wars who fought joke fights, every monster Godzilla fought in the heisei era was larger than him. 2 were made of his cells so essentially clones, 1 was a weapon made specifically to destroy him, 1 was a future monster with tech outside our current ability even now, and the last was powered by the only thing to strait up kill a Godzilla. Then there's the argument that his body couldn't take his power as burning Godzilla. Despite whatever feats other Godzillas have done they are all roughly the same in terms of defense, with it varying only slightly, but Burning Godzilla's power was too much for his body. To Say this Godzilla couldn't survive with his power, but another has not only surpassed it but done so with little to no consequence to his body leaves me wondering, I'm sure I won't convince any1 that believes final wars is the most powerful, just as they won't convince me burning Godzilla isn't the most powerful, but just giving my reasoning for why I see it the way I do. 

I would have to say that the 1995 burning godzilla was the most powerful only because he took in so much power that his heart was melting from the inside out. :)

@Durp004- While you make great points, virtually all of them fall under PIS and/or CIS, so they don't really prove anything. Especially the Gigan and Rodan/Anguirus/King C. stuff.

Not trying to be rude, but the stuff is in the OP.

In fact, now that I think about it, most, if not all, of Final Wars is PIS and CIS.

@DEVIANTEIST - You're exactly right :) A large portion of final wars Godzilla's fights fall under CIS and PIS. This is the sole reason why I dissect his feats in the film the way I do, avoiding the topic of the difficulty of his battles and focusing on individual things like the strength of his atomic breath, its range, explosive power, his durability and stamina, and finally his physical power. In the end, his battle with Monster X is probably the best fight to look at when gauging his power. They battled as equals and put on a show worthy of any Shonen anime, both tanking serious damage from each other and beam clashing - in one instance the resulting explosion was so big, someone felt the need to break it down:

So realistically, its impossible for Final Wars Godzilla to be the weaker incarnation beacuse when you look at his feats you can't arrive at that conclusion. The ONE fight that we can actually take seriously in the film is actually all we need in order to measure his power. If anyone needs further details just message me and I will make my way back here ;]

The reason I ignored the CIS/PIS aspect is because it's a stupid thing to bring to a debate like this. When there are multiple Godzillas making appearances is as few as 1 movie you can't throw out plot convenience and character stupidity as that literally almost eliminates any evidence most Godzillas could have. Most of these rules for that matter don't really help the debate as I could argue against all of them.

As I said PIS/CIS is a dumb things to have as it removes evidence. Almost anything can fall under that depending how you look at it. To look at Final Wars ignore everything and look at only 1 fight is fairly dumb. Burning Godzilla himself is an example of PIS as throughout the heisei Godzilla got upgraded by a nuclear sub, Rodan, Spacegodzilla, and blowing up Uranuim deposits on Bass Island, so if we're really taking that into consideration Burning Godzilla shouldn't on the list to choose. I could go on and on giving examples of those 2 but they seriously don't need to be in a debate about power, it takes away evidence and potential topic, and gives some Godzilla incarnations a better chance than others depending what direction that director of the movie went with.

When you refer to feats are you talking about 1 monster? Well let's look at Final Wars feats. Fought monster x to a standstilll basically then would have lost to Keizer Ghidorah. Not all the impressive.

Heisei Godzilla: Fought Biollante while being infected with ANEB. Killed Ghidorah a much larger monster then himself then fough the future version with advanced tech. Reflected back mechaG's electricity the first time they met in GvsMGII. Took on a clone that was made from the most extreme conditions possible. Can't include Burning Godzilla since as I pointed out he himself is an example of PIS according to the examples we have, but even without him the feats heisei or even showa for that matter outclass that of the 1 fight Final Wars had. 

@DURPOO4 - 

@DURPOO4 - Ignoring thread rules because you disagree? Now thats dumb. We've already explained why those rules are in place. If you don't agree then you probably shouldn't try and debate here. 

I already stated why the rules that you put ruin the debate, however I'll go in depth and hopefully Devianteist will see this and see all the reasons why those rules do nothing but hurt this and make in unfair and hopefully remove them.

1. Almost every one of the 29 films run off their own logic and physics. To make a rule that governs over every single 1 of those evenly is extemely hard, much less 4 different rules.

2. With this kind of topic varying points will arise, different opinions, preferences, and biases will no doubt appear in the debate. For Kage432 to be, for the most part, the only 1 who had a say in the rules is unfair. It's 1 thing for some1 to come up with rules but a completely different thing when that person already has a clear choice in what they see as the right answer. This becomes obvious as you look at the rules that no doubt Kage432 analyzed each rule to how it would effect his choice(final wars) in hurting, helping and overall balancing out as he believed, but it is clear he didn't totally look at every other incarnation. This is most obvious in the rule targetted almost specifically at burning Godzilla, when the CIS/PIS made it so burning Godzilla isn't even a variable in the debate, due to Shindo randomly pulling a nuclear sub out of his back pocket in Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, and making him bigger and stronger. Thus every heisei godzilla after that, since it's a linear story is taken out of the equation. For rules to be applied this should have been brought up to every poster on this thus giving them a chance to see it it was evenly spaced out without hurting or helping any particular Godzilla.

3. This is the most important reason in my opinion and that is simply for a thread that asks what godzilla is the strongest to then have rules that take quite a few out of the running, or nerf them down to the point they can't compete is very unfair. Sure some do things that are crazy and you can always throw that out and say that's why they're the strongest, but that's what makes these fun, there will never be a sureshot, not debateable "strongest godzilla" unless the series ends and a panel of godzilla enthusiasts take an objective look at every single movie and come up with an answer and people will still disagree. To have rules on this type of topic which is almost 100% opinion based and it all depends on how much you value each trait takes the fun out. I already pointed out why my choice isn't available because of them so the topic in general changes. It's not "who's the strongest?" it's "who's the strongest within the rules we(Kage432) set?" 

@Durp004- While what you say is true, that he had virtually the only say in the rules, I analyzed and nitpicked on the possible limitations that said rules could imply on the debate; I found none.
The rules are there to weed out overused arguments, and to encourage responses like what you have brought forth.
As for Burning Godzilla, none of that really falls into PIS. One could look at it that way, but on a grander scale, one could also see how it doesn't, and make an argument for why it doesn't.
The same can be applied to all aspects of Godzilla's various incarnations. You see something that falls under the rules? Well, time to find a reason it doesn't.

See what I mean?

@DURPOO4 - Well I'm sorry for suggesting what rules DEVIANTEIST should use, except I'm not. All of the rules being used here apply to every Godzilla. Silly in-universe mechanics aside, all of Godzilla's incarnations have appliable feats to use in this thread, even Burning Godzilla. Do you frequent Versus threads, because if you did you'd notice that the most organized of them apply these methods to govern their debates and prevent as DEVIANTEIST already mentioned, overused arguments. Yes, I'm rooting for Godzilla FW. Does that mean I would compromise my own integrity and formulate thread rules to better support my arguments? No, and the simple fact that you would imply that I would is extremly disrespectful to me as I assisted DEVIANTEIST with the sole intention of applying a format in which only FACTS could be used in the hopes that it would weed out some of the members on this site who are prone to arguing with no facts and a lot of points founded on nothing.

Is it a fact that FW Godzilla is the strongest? Beats me, but I sided with him not out of personal preference, my favorite G is 2000, but I sided with him because when you look at the FACTS - what remains when you've taken away all the in-universe mechanics that can't be applied here or elsewhere and you start to actually calculate speed, strength, and durability, they start to become feats and to me FW Godzilla just comes out on top. But the process is simple math. Feats that do not fall under PIS, CIS, or the no limits fallacy are the most valid. Godzilla having the strength to toss around Kaiju is a CONSISTANT showing, both in FW and in older films, its just taken to its greatest degree in FW, and thus it becomes one of his better physical strength showings. Kumonga being dumber, weaker, or OOC (out of character) does not change the fact that he got his ass thrown far over the visable horizon. Its not PIS, or CIS, its a calculation on the strength one would need to throw a Kaiju that far to begin with, its things like that and then comparing them to the calculations of the opponent's feats, do you understand?

Examine Burning Godzilla. How durable must he be to shrug off continuous attacks from micro oxygen destroyers, an attack that was stated to be able to pierce all metals, and how does that stack against FW Godzilla's durability feats? How powerful must Burning Godzilla's regen be to be able to near instantly heal wounds caused from Destroyah's Horn Katana, a weapon capable of easily cleaving through G's nigh invulnerable hide, something only very few of his opponents could accomplish? How does that stack against FW Godzilla being able to withstand an impact event without so much as a visable scratch? I would gladly debate any actual feats you bring up for the character. I can't find them for you, thats not my job, its yours. I'll just say he has some out there lol, but I'll leave it up to you to find them ;] Though I might've dropped a few hints...

@Kage432- And that is why you inspired me to make this thread.