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Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 1:59 PM

This thread no longer serves a purpose, so please close this down or lock it. It was my last attempt to add something interesting to this forum... and failed.

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BaragonMember425 XPJul-19-2014 2:16 PM

No I wouldn't like a realistic Godzilla, I think people are so hung up about it due to movies recently trying to include in in their stories. This isn't the genre to bring realism to. I laughed at it in the Dark knight trilogy, but at least respected that as possible, maybe.

What would realism bring to the story, and what would it hinder. If you look at it in that way it's clear this isn't worth it. Even the new movie which is supposed to be the most realistic is a joke on that front, and it's better that way.

Linkzilla

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 2:21 PM

I'm sorry, but a realistic and plausible "Godzilla" could never be as fun as the other films (without being completely different in every way) or even be called Godzilla, as most of his defining traits (being gigantic AND being able to walk on land, invulnerability, atomic breath) are simply impossible. The closest you could get would be an approximately Spinosaurus-sized (or whale-sized, if it's purely aquatic) dinosaur that looked like Godzilla, but was less worthy of his name than Zilla.

True American Godzilla

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 2:37 PM

What if the Atomic Breath in the realistic design was super-long ranged. So long that the radiation it would spread would soon cover the whole city (thanks to wind, or people spreading it around).

 

That's another good thought, this Gojira could be spreading radiation from all over its body. Anything that's in its field is exposed to lethal radiation.

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Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 2:39 PM

im against a realistic godzilla

Evacuate?, Godzilla is just a Legend!-Woman in GMK

InstinctiveGigan

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 2:55 PM

A realistic Godzilla is pretty much what we got for the 2014 film. I mean we have a huge world here, ANYTHING can be realistic, even magic. As long as they get the checklist right for Godzilla (breaths atomic breath, is indestructable, etc.)  than it can be as realistic as it wants and still be great. 

True American Godzilla

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 2:58 PM

@INSTINCTIVEGIGAN: Thank you my friend! You've just made my day :). For my idea, it would be that Gojira toughness... just a realistic size. To recap the concept....

 

It would use the original concept of Gojira's origins... a mutated theropod dinosaur. Storyline would be during the Dino Time a strange meteorite landed near a T-Rex nest site. The core had a strange mutatgenic radiation not seen on Earth. It was just enough radiation to mutate an unhatched T-rex (the only egg in the nest of this particular family to still be alive). The above would be the basic concept of its form, well maybe some gills for underwater breathing and webbed feet. The Abilities of this Gojira would be a super light yet incredibly tough hide (even eyes have transparent scales to protect them, even insides have a flexible version of this armor); regeneration (slow, but repairs damage and aged cells); and Atomic Breath (like 1954 style, extreme Nuclear Radiation and 180 million degree Fahrenheit temps). The Atomic breath would be long ranged, so the radiation it would spread would cover a good portion of the city. That, plus the radiation its body gives off, could be carried by the winds thus spreading the radiation like a plague. Naturally this radiation is lethal to humans.

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John 3:16, Job 41:1-34, Leviticus 18:22

TheGMan123

TitanosaurusMember729 XPJul-19-2014 4:14 PM

Radiation doesn't work like that, and neither would the normal atomic breath, nor even really the origins, since mutation doesn't work like that. Plus, according to the logic we have, since there's so much less oxygen, a creature that size wouldn't be able to get enough from our atmosphere. At most, we'd get something around the size of a dinosaur, and that's STILL making some big assumptions.

I'm sorry, but a realistic Godzilla all the way through doesn't work as Godzilla. You can have elements that "seem" realistic, like how the surrounding enviornment reacts to the presence of impossibilities. It works for characters from media like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, because even though pretty much everything about them is unbelievable, you can see how they truly affect the world they're in.

See where we're getting at? Any sort of non-plausible entity doesn't have to be realistic in and of itself, just that nowadays, it has to seem like it's affecting the world in a way that makes sense, make it look seamless enough that we can believe it's doing the things it's doing. Your concepts don't work with Godzilla, but they DO work as a separate entity altogether, possibly a story set in a more primitive time.

Perhaps the periods before modern weapons even came to light, or something like that. Or, alternatively, have the situation be an extremely isolated case that doesn't garner more immediate attention until the situation is defused or no other options are available. You just can't make it work with Godzilla, because that isn't what Godzilla's about. It's about an unstoppable force of nature, whom must correct the mistakes by which Humanity brings upon itself, lest its domain be lost to said mistakes.

True American Godzilla

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 4:27 PM

@THEGMAN123: I know that normal/"Earth" mutations doesn't work like that... hence why I added the asteroid with the unusual core. That way I could have an alien originated substance that is so bizarre it causes the mutation. Granted, this aspect is the biggest questionable part of my plausible Gojira... but we haven't explored all of space yet so we can't say there isn't a strange substance that mutagenic.

 

Also I looked up radiation (the nuclear kind) and yes  it CAN be CARRIED by the WIND! So that aspect of my design would be accurate.

As for the Atomic Breath... it could be long ranged (for a T-rex sized creature). The heat aspect might not go as far as the radiation half of it.

Yes, my creature was going to be dino sized. Hence why I mentioned a mutated T-Rex. Basically we take Toho's Godzillasaurus and pump it up to be Gojira.

 

 

I believe in Jesus Christ, who's my Lord and Savior.

John 3:16, Job 41:1-34, Leviticus 18:22

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GiganModerator3811 XPJul-19-2014 4:47 PMTeam Godzilla

There cant be a realisitic Godzilla. Its purely cant happen, No animal can be 60 metres tall and taller and move as fluintly and battle monsters as the True King. If you knew the square cube theory you would know this. No animal that large can move that fast and fight due to there heart not being able to get the blood to the body that fast! Godzilla 2014 is by far the most realistic your gonna get, Its still impossible but you can believe him the most. But Godzilla simply can not happen.

Good grief.

True American Godzilla

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 4:52 PM

@GORILLAGODZILLA77897: I'm NOT saying a 60 METER TALL (or taller) MONSTER! It would be around TYRANNOSAURUS REX SIZED!

I know very well the square cube theory. In fact I've read the "Science of Godzilla" pages online. That's why I've tried to make a monster that is more realsitic than the traditional concept so that I can avoid most of the issues facing the impossible Gojira concept.

I believe in Jesus Christ, who's my Lord and Savior.

John 3:16, Job 41:1-34, Leviticus 18:22

TheGMan123

TitanosaurusMember729 XPJul-19-2014 4:58 PM

And I see no one paid attention to my "it doesn't have to be realistic, but people can still believe what it does" argument. That, and a dinosaur-sized creature would simply detract from the underlying themes behind the creature. I'm not saying your ideas are bad, I'm just saying it doesn't work for what Godzilla is. We were never arguing that the idea itself was bad. Just that it detracts from Godzilla's character.

You can never make Godzilla believable, because that's NOT what Godzilla is. This isn't a point about whether it CAN be done, but whether it SHOULD be done, which it's clear what the answer is. You haven't kept any of the core core aspects of Godzilla, since what you've highlighted is esssentially a really weird and implausible animal that also happens to not be Godzilla, because the traits apparently can occur in reality.

I still don't get why you haven't seen that, True American Godzilla. I like your idea. Love it, in fact. But you can't keep calling it Godzilla. You can't, because what you describe has no spiritual relation to the original creature. Your idea could work brilliantly, if you simply didn't link it to Godzilla. It's like with Zilla: I agree, he has had people beating that dead horse for too long, but that's because he's still linked to Godzilla.

Don't make that same mistake, True American Godzilla. Don't you see? This is EXACTLY what happened to that movie involving Zilla. You tried to link the story to Godzilla in some way, and we can't accept it because it doesn't stay true to the character in the most basic form.

True American Godzilla

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 5:13 PM

@THEGMAN123: I appreciate you like my monster idea, I was beginning to think that NO ONE did. The problem with Zilla was that in their efforts to make it more believable they went in the wrong direction. They basically took an Allosaurus (who's design is slenderer and faster than a T-Rex) and gave it some new tricks.

 

When pondering on my own version of Gojira, I thought for weeks on what Gojira represented and how to best capture that. I knew the "easy" answer was to use the GMK Gojira concept... give it a mystical origin to avoid the 'rules of science' bit and every other aspect of Gojira I would leave alone or compliment.

 

However, being a fan of realistic creatures I couldn't pass up the chance to try my hand at applying realism to Gojira yet maintain its core meanings... and avoid a "1998 Zilla" scenario. 

 

According to the folks that made the 1954 Gojira film... Gojira is " a symbol for nuclear holocaust and ever since the film's initial release, Godzilla has been culturally identified as a strong metaphor for nuclear weapons. Producer Tomoyuki Tanaka stated that, 'The theme of the film, from the beginning, was the terror of the bomb. Mankind had created the bomb, and now nature was going to take revenge on mankind.'"

 

I knew that a mystical Gojira could easily do the above very well... but what about a realistic one? That's where my concept mentioned above comes in... it keeps the meaning of Gojira and its attacks can still represent the same symbolic meaning as the 1954 Gojira's attacks.... it's just how things are done that's different due to the realistic size.

 

So that's why I think my idea KEEPS the original meaning of Gojira and not like the Zilla scenario who didn't at all.

I believe in Jesus Christ, who's my Lord and Savior.

John 3:16, Job 41:1-34, Leviticus 18:22

True American Godzilla

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 5:23 PM

Forgot to add!

 

I appreciate your concerns that I might make the same mistake as the 1998 Zilla folks so Thank You.

If you don't think my counter argument is valid, then I will drop the matter.

I believe in Jesus Christ, who's my Lord and Savior.

John 3:16, Job 41:1-34, Leviticus 18:22

TheGMan123

TitanosaurusMember729 XPJul-19-2014 5:40 PM

I don't, since you can't get the same kind of feel for Godzilla if we went for your "realistic" approach. It just wouldn't work overall as Godzilla. We have to face the facts: Godzilla simply can't be considered "realistic" by any standards, and if we try to do so as strictly realistically as possible, we can't call what we end up with as Godzilla anymore.

As I've highlighted with my original point, you don't need to have a completely realistic entity, but that doesn't mean you can't use elements of realism to enhance its presence. It's why I consider the 2014 Godzilla such a good example, because he himself is pretty unrealistic, but realistic elements added to his presence make it worthwhile to see him in action, such as how the environment reacts realistically to his unrealistic gait.

It's just something imbedded into the character itself as it's seen overall, and we can't overlook it. I'm sorry, but you can't do a Godzilla story with the creature you have. I don't wanna see such backlash against your idea just because it can't be considered Godzilla. Just remember that, okay? It's a good idea with potential, but it must be used cautiously. Try it. I'm sure it'd have a great home elsewhere, but not as part of Godzilla, unfortunately.

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