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Godzilla 1998 vs Godzilla 2014

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Carnosaur

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 8:30 PM

hi, this is my first post on this forum and i wasn't exactly sure where to put this comparison, so here goes.

All i see is people bashing on the '98 movie, citing the drastic design change in build. Going from an upright, lumbering creature to a sleek, theropod esque build. However, the two creatures do share rather basic anatomic similarities.

Note the dorsal spines, the long grasping arms, and tough crocodilian like hide. even the roar of these creatures is reminiscient of each other.The only true difference morphilogically speaking is G98 is in a theropod esque pose, while G14 is more upright in his stance, showing his truly immense size. Also, the snout of G98 is more elongated and the teeth are more prominent then in G14.

The plot of both of these movies was quite suprisingly similar. Hell, even the opening scene of the newest Godzilla iteration was reminiscient of the '98 film. The plot revolved around the protagonists - and the miliatary's- efforts to understand Godzilla, to figure out exactly what this things deal was

A plus for the '98 film is we simply saw more of Godzilla. In the newest movie, we saw Big G for all of about 6 minutes. Both films however, simply failed to recognize that shooting standard artillery at Godzilla really does nothing but irk him a great deal.

The sheer amount of destruction in both films was tremendous. Although, G14 seemed to tiptoe around the buildings, while G98 didn't mind knocking down any in his path as he fled the military.

G98 did have something the 2014 film didn't; The concept of baby Godzilla running around. An asexual animal as Broderick pointed out, Godzilla soon layed a vast clutch of eggs. And after those eggs hatched, well that's a point alot of '98 film haters point to as "ripping off Jurassic Park". Nonsense.

Alot of movies, especially in the 90's, would do homages - a nod do something famous - in their films. Emmerich was clearly giving Jurassic Park the nod of "You did good, let's see what i can do with this".  As a matter of fact, i thoroughly enjoyed this aspect of that movie. That's just my inner Jurassic Park fanatic speaking, though.

What G14 did have though, is the sole fact that Godzilla didn't die. G98 was taken down by missiles on the Brooklyn bridge, which was indeed a mournful sight...for some anyways. In the end credits, we see that an egg from G98 has survived, the baby lurching out to take a bite out of the camera as the credits roll. 

Hmm...Godzilla dies....But a youngster survives previous carnage inflicted around it? doesn't that remind y'all of something?

Well, I see this as another Homage to Godzilla vs Desotroyah, in which Big G perishes, yet his youngster lives on to continue his reign of terror. Has any one else considered that? Or are we all too busy criticizing this movie?

For me, i see this movie as worthy of the name Godzilla. It has everything you want in such a film, action, suspense, and albeit at times some shameful acting( yet you cannot deny this was abundant in G14; saying otherwise is ignorance at its finest)

Just my thoughts. let me know what y'all think!

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21 Responses to Godzilla 1998 vs Godzilla 2014

Carnosaur

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 8:32 PM

I would also like to note the blatant disregard towards another opinion disgusts me. What's the problem? can't take another persons ideas...why? because it's not "worthy of Godzilla" Just like the '98 movie? give me a break.

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Durp004

BaragonMember425 XPJul-19-2014 9:12 PM

You just made a thread about the 98 movie without insulting it at every turn and even compared it to 2014 that a large number of people on this forum apparently love.

Prepare for the incoming hate.

That aside I think 98 gets a little too much hate, and it seems G14 is the exact opposite with people ignoring any fault it has. Ironically it seems a largeaamount of people that defend G14 to the death are also the ones that will jump on anything slightly wrong with the 98 movie.

JRR

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 9:22 PM

well the 98 has an interesting design as his own monster Zilla, but the movie still has many flaws like acting and theres a difrence between Homanage and rippoff,

besides i don't think the 2014 movie is perfect, it isn't even one of my top 5 favorites

and like the president in the 98 fillm said the army did more destrucction than Zilla

Evacuate?, Godzilla is just a Legend!-Woman in GMK

JRR

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 9:26 PM

oh and Zilla isnt even the worst godzilla film, that title belongs to Godzilla's revenge

Evacuate?, Godzilla is just a Legend!-Woman in GMK

Carnosaur

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 9:28 PM

Prepare for the incoming hate

It's laughable people are gonna hate on me for my opinion, but i'm fully prepared for it.

That aside I think 98 gets a little too much hate, and it seems G14 is the exact opposite with people ignoring any fault it has

Twas the point of this thread, guess you caught on eh?

 but the movie still has many flaws like acting

G14 also had this, I mean come on ATJ as the lead? not the smartest move from Edwards imo. Killing off Cranston wasn't too keen either.

heres a difrence between Homanage and rippoff,

I'm aware of this Cat. What emmerich did was an Homage, i don't see how you can't see that?

 

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Carnosaur

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 9:36 PM

oh and Zilla isnt even the worst godzilla film, that title belongs to Godzilla's revenge

i believe you meant Godzilla '98. And that movie was stock footage galore, kinda ridiculous.

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

GuateGojira

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 10:30 PM

In fact, although the movie is named "Godzilla 1998", now, at 2014, the Official name of that monster is "Zilla", so Catzilla is 100% correct on this.

 

Zilla is already a monster of its own in Toho menagerie, and although I agree that it deserve a little more of respect, it is NOT Godzilla, independently IF the movie was good or not.

 

 

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Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 10:44 PM

oh and Zilla isnt even the worst godzilla film, that title belongs to Godzilla's revenge

i believe you meant Godzilla '98. And that movie was stock footage galore, kinda ridiculous.

Umm 1998 isn't stock footage. Unless that's a typo.

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Carnosaur

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-19-2014 11:14 PM

Obviously a typo. I've watched the '98 film numerous times, Godzilla's revenge on the other hand is sock footage. and a horrible movie overall.

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Dinozilla0439

Mothra LarvaeMember2 XPJul-19-2014 11:34 PM

@Carnosaur

Completely agreed with this post (except the 2014 movie's 'flaws') at first, until I read a few of your comments. No offense, but are you just TRYING to stir things up? Is it because you disagree with how people acted toward True American Godzilla on that other post so you're trying to get to people with your comments? Sorry, but the end of the first comment you posted on here clearly seemed provoking, which doesn't make sense to me being that you seem to dislike people fighting on these forums.

Also, saying that you were going to get hate for your opinion isn't exactly correct. People just hate the 1998 movie, so they argue any points you make in it being good. If you've seen the reactions fans of the real Godzilla always have toward the 1998 film, you'll know this. And I'm sure you have.

I want to point out that "not being able to take another person's ideas" is also incorrect in some cases. As I said, people hate the movie. The MOVIE and THE MONSTER. Not necessarily the "person's idea." So it's not exactly an insult to Emmerich or Devlin. And as much as I like '1998, it wasn't Godzilla at all and I can easily see where the disappointment and hate comes from. I mean, people waited forever and got really excited, just to watch a film that was barely Godzilla.

All that said, I really enjoy the film. I've also always been very fond of Zilla. In fact, I grew up watching the movie, and I've always liked it.

Still, in my opinion, the 2014 movie was better. And as for ATJ, I had no issue with him, and it's not like 1998 had a great cast.

Godzilla316

AnguirusMember1067 XPJul-20-2014 1:03 AM

Welcome to the Godzilla Forums Carnosaur. Anyway I agree with you saying that some people just cant take another's opinion, and no, I dont think your trying to stir things up

Remember that chap, I forget his name, he climbed Everest without any oxygen, came down nearly dead. They asked him, they said "Why did you go up there to die?" He said I didn't, "I went up there to live".

Dinozilla0439

Mothra LarvaeMember2 XPJul-20-2014 1:10 AM

@Godzilla316

Funny, I just agreed with you. But hey, everyone has a right to disagree, I guess.

Anyway, if he wasn't trying to stir things up, why not word it a bit nicer? "Give me a break" is not going to get a positive reaction, is it? And he knew that, surely.

Godzilla316

AnguirusMember1067 XPJul-20-2014 1:17 AM

@DinoZilla439

Funny enough, I just disagreed but know I agree :-D

Remember that chap, I forget his name, he climbed Everest without any oxygen, came down nearly dead. They asked him, they said "Why did you go up there to die?" He said I didn't, "I went up there to live".

Godzilla316

AnguirusMember1067 XPJul-20-2014 1:21 AM

@DinoZilla0439

Funny enough, I just disagreed but nos I agree:-D

Remember that chap, I forget his name, he climbed Everest without any oxygen, came down nearly dead. They asked him, they said "Why did you go up there to die?" He said I didn't, "I went up there to live".

Dinozilla0439

Mothra LarvaeMember2 XPJul-20-2014 1:26 AM

Lol. Okay, glad to see you understand.

Evan123

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-20-2014 3:29 AM

Wow, well first of all I had no problems with G14, the acting was suffient and godzilla was on  screen for the best amount of time without making his appearances forced. I'm surprised actually, you normally present yourself much nicer on the Jurassic World forums. Oh well, that's my opinion and '98' was okay, not a patch on the destruction, visuals and tone of G14 but okay. That's all I'm going to say.

How far can we push nature before it pushes back?

KManX89

Mothra LarvaeMember10 XPJul-20-2014 6:31 AM

I don't know what movie you were watching, but in the 98 movie that I saw (which, BTW, was actually a remake of 'Beast From 20,000 Fathoms' with Godzilla's name attached to it for money), Godzilla had exactly 0 screen time. Oh, you must be thinking of Zilla, because that creature that "attacked" NY (who didn't cause much damage to begin with, it's actually the military who are the ones causing most of the destruction in that film) was not Godzilla, in spirit or in trademark, LOL. I don't recall him ever destroying any buildings (except stepping through the MetLife Building, which somehow had a huge hole in it without collapsing, logic?!?!), either, again, that was the military, who BTW, really suck at their job in that film. How do you not hit a 200 foot tall iguana? 

And BTW, you're right: the 2014 film didn't have baby Zillas running around, because that's not Godzilla and it is blatantly ripping off Jurassic Park, Edwards is a little more creative than that, hence why we didn't see it in this movie. It gets worse, though: that scene (which wasn't all that entertaining to begin with, JP ripoffs aside) was probably the best action scene in the whole movie, it's pretty bad when a scene blatantly ripping off Jurassic Park at every turn is the best action scene in your movie.

Also, Godzilla was in this movie for more than double 6 minutes, more like 13 minutes (which BTW, the 1954 original had him for even less than that in equal the run time), the reason he wasn't shown longer is because it only had a $160 mil budget which, while not cheap, by any stretch, isn't a whole lot for a big summer movie and definitely not enough to throw money at the screen with the kind of CGI they used. Every second the monsters were on screen is $$$ driving up the production costs, especially with the kind of CGI they used for the monsters, it's more detailed than PR's CGI for crying out loud. I surmise the sequel will have a bigger budget to the tune of $190 mil ('Cap 2' got an expanded budget from the first CA film which made substantially less than this), which means more Godzilla/monster action and for longer intervals, but they were just making due with what they had to work with in this film, they couldn't throw money at the screen because it only had a $160 mil budget.

Furthermore, Godzilla doesn't flee from his enemies, he's not a giant mutant iguana (he's a giant radiated dinosaur), he doesn't lay eggs, he actually has atomic breath (and don't tell me Zilla breathed fire, either, he merely shot gas at some cars, which caused them to ignite) most of all, he's not killed by a few missiles (on a bridge that would never be able to support him to begin with). The 'creature' in this film is not Godzilla in any imaginable way. Granted, it's far from the only flaw in the film (it's a bad 'Godzilla' [b]and[/b] generic monster film, I've said this), but it's by far the biggest.

Carnosaur

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-20-2014 7:01 AM

Zilla is already a monster of its own in Toho menagerie, and although I agree that it deserve a little more of respect, it is NOT Godzilla, independently IF the movie was good or not.

*Godzilla 98. Toho renamed it, forced into Final Wars, and had it annihilated by Their Godzilla as a "Screw off" kind of gesture. They changed its appearance a bit, enough for it not to exactly look like Emmerichs Godzilla.

 No offense, but are you just TRYING to stir things up? 

hmm no, but if i do i do not care much in the mean time. How people act around this forum is blatantly rude and childish.

Wow, well first of all I had no problems with G14, the acting was suffient and godzilla was on  screen for the best amount of time without making his appearances forced.

seemed pretty forced at times, and the acting was pretty laughable at certain points.

(which, BTW, was actually a remake of 'Beast From 20,000 Fathoms' with Godzilla's name attached to it for money)

You say this, but somehow i don't believe it.

except stepping through the MetLife Building, which somehow had a huge hole in it without collapsing, logic?!?!)

You just attempted to bring logic into a movie about Godzilla....I see.

 either, again, that was the military, who BTW, really suck at their job in that film. How do you not hit a 200 foot tall iguana? 

This kind of thing can be said about the new movie, but alrighty.

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Evan123

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-20-2014 7:30 AM

Well those are opinions and I get it so if your done....I mean I like you, your a nice guy, maybe your just having a bad day but that is my opinion. Please, I don't want to fall out, you are very nice and a member I respect so maybe we should just leave it! Hopefully we're bestos again, haha!

How far can we push nature before it pushes back?

JRR

Mothra LarvaeMember0 XPJul-20-2014 7:30 AM

Beeing a remake of Beast from 20000 fathoms isn't bad, the originall godzilla movie was going to be a remake untill they changed the name of the movie

Evacuate?, Godzilla is just a Legend!-Woman in GMK

KManX89

Mothra LarvaeMember10 XPJul-20-2014 7:47 AM

@CATZILLA: no, but at least call it that then if that's the route you're going to take, don't remake 'Beasts' and then call it something it's not for Christ's sake, which is exactly what DD & RE did with that film.

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