Can Godzilla 2014 Generate Spiral Atomic Rays?

GorillaGodzilla,

And if you go here, http://www.tohokingdom.com/monster_bios.htm You will see the monster bios of both the Mutos and Godzilla 2014 himself. They have some of the showa series stuff wrong but other than that, most is somewhat true.

I said Awakening was written by Borenstein.

GorillaGodzilla,

Funny damn thing you said this.

"Listen,its just my opinion i am entitled to it. No one has to believe my views and they certainly will not. I brought up a point from two books i read called Godzilla awakening written by Max Borenstein the man who was a part of the script for Godzilla 2014 and Godzilla the official novelization."

So, how do you explain that? 

Knowing you, you'll probably edit that post since moderators have the power to do so. I should know because I was once one. Us members don't have that power.

"Listen, its called, "The Official Godzilla Novel." I do not see why it is not considered canon by you fellas."

You answered your own question. It's the Official Godzilla Novel. Meaning seperate from the main canon of the film. Meaning a different interpretation not entirely thought up by those who birthed the project of the film-- Which is the only reason the novel was written to begin with: To advertise the movie.

Much prefer the idea that Godzilla is an old, struggling monster. Makes him more interesting and gives him character. People who want him to be the strongest just because they like him a lot do an excellent job of making him a really dislikable and ultimately boring version of the character.

Listen, its just my opinion i am entitled too it.

 There's nothing wrong with having an opinion the problem is you parade it around as fact. When the thread creator addressed Godzilla only using his breath 3 times you immediately responded with, The whole thing with only using his breath 3 times, has been said many times too be only cause of the Muto's having an EMP which stopped his electrical pulsations too create the energy.

In the Godzilla 2 he will most definitley use it more.

That doesn't sound like an opinion if I didn't know better I'd think you were stating something that was 100% true and cannon. If you had said, "in my opinion", or "maybe the mutos have an emp" it would convey an opinion, unsure if true but something you choose to go by. The wording you use makes if sound factual which it is not.

Why do you all care so much if it is or isn't? Why is it so horrible for it too be canon, is they're something wrong with Godzilla 2014 having a little abillity that makes a tad bit more sense?

The same can be asked to you. Why do you want this Godzilla to have abilities never shown in the movie so badly? Why to you want to grasp onto the fact this Godzilla may not be as weak as suspected? Is it just the bias.

And because it wasn't mentioned in the movie, doesn't mean it wasnt canon. If an official novel from a film written by the script writer makes a book off of his script, how is it not canon?

Actually it kind of does. Max borenstein has written for a lot of different movies are they all cannon to eachother? No of course not because he doesn't connect them, and main point is he doesn't connect his comic with his movie either. Multiple times he could have throughout the movie, never did, probably means something. Not that the emp this is ever really addressed in Godzilla Awakening anyway that I remember.

Never read the books but never got why something that could take out who citys is just there for communication, idk it just make me wonder, Not saying it is there for Godzilla but not saying it's there for no monster either, which its bugging if Ghidorah will have a earth or space orgin and how long he's been around Bc I thought they could effect his bolts, odd part is we don't know how much works in this universe yet or how it could play out in the rest of the series and/or future spin offs

Durp, i once again do not want an arguement here with anyone lets please keep it civil and not engage in personal attacks.

The reason i defend the idea is because people insult Godzilla 2014 with statements like, "He was knocked over by a building, he fell asleep cause he is weak." And other crap like that.

When they have no idea this Godzilla could potentially be very powerful, but they are bias cause they did not like the movie and wanted Godzilla too be, "A Powerhouse."

Wow, the whole thing you guys are fighting me over is what certain people in this fanbase actually wanted.

People wanted this Godzilla too be a super powerhouse unstoppable figure, and he wasn't so just stop! And because he didn't lift the earth or kill the Mutos in one blow makes him a weak monster.

Sorry, but you have to understand its not bias its just me showing a statement which partly is legit.

Ben, i had no intention of editing my post. It sounds like your engaging me as a coward too change my post so i don't get judged, i am not going too fight you so stop.

GorillaGodzilla,

I'm not arguing or fighting. Me, Durp004, and Gman2887 are trying to correct you with the facts we have provided. Oh, when someone attacks Godzilla 2014 you're all over them like stink on sh##. You have shown no respect to anyone else when you attack their favorite Godzilla films and have shown no remorse in your actions.  So, the movie shows exactly what those people mention and you don't like it? Who are you to provoke them and tell them that they have to like the movie because you do? 

You have provided nothing but speculation on how you see Godzilla in Godzilla 2014. The fact that the trailers lead us to believe that Godzilla was going to be a destructive force and turned it into an anti-hero style film did upset a lot of us. You ever heard of bait and switch? That's exactly what they did with it. To quote what a great friend of mine said, "the answers are in the films! "

Durp, i once again do not want an arguement here with anyone lets please keep it civil and not engage in personal attacks.

Where were there any personal attacks on anyone? Calling you biased in an of itself isn't a personal attack.

The reason i defend the idea is because people insult Godzilla 2014 with statements like, "He was knocked over by a building, he fell asleep cause he is weak." And other crap like that.

You mean you don't like when people explain what they saw in the film and how in context to the rest of the series that places this Godzilla in their opinion? That's funny since I know I've seen you on multiple occassions say early showa was a weaker Godzilla on the premise that he lost to King Kong, lost to 2 Mothra larvae, or needed help in fights, there might be other reasons you gave but those were the first that came to mind, why was that ok and a valid opinion but stating that G14 collapsing isn't. You also don't seem to have a problem when someone says G14 is really strong, and one of the most powerful Godzillas so where is the line exactly?

When they have no idea this Godzilla could potentially be very powerful, but they are bias cause they did not like the movie and wanted Godzilla too be, "A Powerhouse."

Wow, the whole thing you guys are fighting me over is what certain people in this fanbase actually wanted.

People wanted this Godzilla too be a super powerhouse unstoppable figure, and he wasn't so just stop! And because he didn't lift the earth or kill the Mutos in one blow makes him a weak monster.

This doesn't logically make sense. If we wanted Godzilla to be this powerhouse like you imply then why would we not consider the books that add an element to his potential being much higher than what we saw to be cannon. I do agree there were people that did want this Godzilla to be much stronger than he actually was, however chances are, based on logic and reasoning, they're the ones who consider the book cannon, they're the ones who believe think he has more to offer. So yes in a way we are debating over what certain people over the fanbase want as opposed to what was actually in the film you just got your sides mixed up.

Sorry, but you have to understand its not bias its just me showing a statement which partly is legit.

What is that statement exactly?

Im not going to post here anymore, as you all are being extremely antagonistic and i can get extremely mad but i choose not too.

Ben, you are not fighting at all? You were just personally calling me out saying i have no respect for other films, when the entire reason i am here is for Godzilla.

Durp, i am not saying you guys want him too be a powerhouse i am saying certain people do. And i am not the only one so stop acting like i am the only person in this forum who gives a crap about 2014.

To be frank to all of you, i haven't fought someone over Godzilla 2014 in a long time. Only when i first started was i, "Stink on sh**" as you presented it. Please stop making a rude sterotype over things you have not experienced and know nothing about.

Now i don't want this thread too get locked, and vice versa locking it. So i am going too stop argueing with you people.

GorillaGodzilla,

If I was fighting you, I'd be cursing up storm after storm. I have provided more than enough evidence to prove my point, and you choose to ignore it. What experiences would I know nothing about? If you're angry, then I guess I'll apologize. However, I do remember when you were once a member and I was there to be the moderator I was.  We are all here for Godzilla. Nothing more, nothing less. It wasn't that long ago that you were dissing on Gmk, a Godzilla film that I personally enjoy. 

You can lock this thread if you want to, I won't hold you back or even argue with it. As I said in my last post, "the answers are in the films."

Personally calling you out because I told the truth? You know what they say, "the truth shall set you free."

^Thats the point, what exactly is in the films?

This arguement is over me mentioning Godzilla having an electrical sack, and then you three visciously telling me he does not.

And it is being made into more then what it should be, this was about the possibility of Godzilla having a Spiral Ray. I said he might, but i am sure his breath will be used more often in the sequels too come.

But for some reason that was taken so harshly, i really do not understand. And their i am just defending my view point against 3 people, it gets tough it really does lol.

"but i am sure his breath will be used more often in the sequels too come."

Alright, well based on what? And is there anything in the movie or from interviews with the crew to suggest such? Does anything point to that conclusion outside a novel Edwards and Borenstein likely have not read?

Viciously telling? Yeah let's be honest you brought something up(wording it as though it was fact) people said you were wrong, you defended your point they defended theirs then you started accusing people of arguing and personal attacks, fact is had you stated your opening phrase in a more opinion based way none of this would have happened, and no one has done anything but refute your points, there was no vicious telling or being harsh. It was simply facts being put up, if you don't have a counterpoint leave it but don't act like the victim because you couldn't bring forth enough valid evidence.

^This comment is the entire reason i am mad.

Being rude and harsh over nothing, i gave a point, it was refuted, The end! But no instead it had to be made personal by bringing up past things i have said and done, and then you Durp getting objective like this is some sort of college debate team.

Enough valid evidence, i gave everything that is credible. And i am not quitting this discussion cause i do not have enough evidence most definitley not, i am quitting cause i do not want too be pushed anymore to a point of anger. I could keep this arguement going on for a while, since i still have a lot of stuff too say.

The point that irks me, is why 3 known people on this forum jumped on me over a simple comment i left. Like i was saying something quoted from Gareth Edwards, sure i may have made it sound legit but it still was not confirmed, and you know that.

And its not an accusation, Ben started singling me personnally over things i have said too people in the past and that was wrong. Made it something more then it was, it was suppose too be a discussion about Godzilla's beam, but instead was turned into a past arguement. And Durp your not helping anyone by expressing your points on the comments i have left.

I have much learned now that every single sentence i leave will be quoted in a negative manner, and i virtually CAN NOT win this arguement.

I really wanna tear that apart and show you how you're wrong but I'll simply say this, 3 people didn't jump on you for making a comment anymore than you jumped on the thread creator for saying Godzilla only used his atomic breath 3 times.

Just think about it before you decide to get mad or feel attacked.....

^This is really getting annoying.

I said something, that was entirely meaningless. I said i am certain he will use his beam more in the sequels, what is wrong with that?

Is they're some, taboo ritual that will happen if his beam is used more then 3 times? Its insane what you are fighting me over.

Why do you want to tear my post apart and show me i am wrong? Its entirely childish.

GorillaGodzilla,

There's just 1 more thing I need to bring up. The female muto had the sphere of influence. It kept tanks, aircrafts and other electrical devices out of functions. If this electrical sac theory of yours was true, then don't you think Godzilla wouldn't even of being able to come close to her? If something like an emp or sphere of influence could cause you damage then why approach something that can kill you and leave you with no power and no way to defend yourself? 

Those are questions GorillaGodzilla, not attacks.

I thought the way it worked was the field of influence/Emp was that it only weakened the Atomic Breath, not cause harm of fatigue to Godzilla. Why enter the field? It's part of his nature to protect the earth against major threats, no matter what the risk, isn't that what he was doing in the movie? His life was a risk as soon as he engaged in the pursuit of the Mutos, a field that weakens one of his abilities isn't gonna stop him.

The emp stops the atomic breath, hence why when he first confronted the MUTO in the novel when trying to charge up the muto's emp cancelled it. In the book he overcomes this for really the only explanation being "because" since when he does use the breath it's within the 2 mutos when only the weaker emp field from the male stopped it the first time. This however does cause him pain.

That is why it isn't cannon. In the movie he never failed to use his breath, and both times charging up never showed any grimacing or any sign of pain or diffficulty. When none of the things that happen in the book to show the emps effects are shown in the movie it's pretty obvious they had different ideas since it would be very easy to show these effects, and wouldn't hurt the character at all, in fact it would have you root for them more since they are not only outnumbered they are weakened. This is common sense, that the only reason for it being left out that it is in fact not cannon.

^ I have a feeling the Legendary series will have that a lot.

A lot of Godzilla overcoming more powerful foes in weakened states.

doubt it.