King Ghidorah's reputation

If by your logic true enemy means some1 he never allied with then Kong is his first true enemy. Saying only a true enemy is some1 who appears in various movies and always antagonistic narrows it down basically MechaG Ghidorah, and Maybe Gigan for the most part. I can see the point of allies, but once again Kong never allied with him and even though he only appeared in 1 movie that's simply because TOHO doesn't have rights to him as I guarantee if they did we'd have seen at least 1 more Godzilla vs Kong movie by this point. 

fuck king kong, you seriously are a ghidorah hater, im not going to just accept that ghidorah is either overrated or should not be in anymore movies and yes mecha g goes into that catagory, also king kong wasn't the antgonist nor the protaganist or the anti-hero/hero of the movie where as ghidorah in GtTHM was the true villian of the movie. ghidorah is a good monster in my opinion, not eveyone has to put destoryah as #1 in a top 10 godzilla monsters.

King Kong was Godzilla's enemy, being a protagonist, antagonist, ect doesn't effect who his enemy is, an enemy is some1 who goes against something, and that's what Kong did. I don't know why you brought Destroyah up as I only referred to him 1 time before every1 else started talking about him, as I was mainly focused on Ghidorah not needing to be in any more movie, as I said. It's not hate, I actually would put monster Zero, and Godzilla vs King Ghidorah both in my top 10 favorite Godzilla movies of all time. I just think the character needs to be put aside so other monsters have a chance to build their fame and fan base instead of throwing them out with the idea Ghidorah is more popular and will make more money which ironically causes a cycle that makes it logical to always bring him back as he's constantly getting a fan base while other monsters don't get the chance to. 

@Durp004

I think you're still missing the point. It's not simply that King Ghidorah brought in mass ticket sales, it's that his popularity turned people on to both new series. Japanese attendence for Godzilla 1984 and Godzilla vs. Biollante were hardly par for the course. After vs. King Ghidorah was released, audiences clearly started paying more attention to the Heisei series.

In 1995 when Godzilla vs. Destroyah was released more attention was focused on Godzilla's death. Not Destroyah. When Toho markets a movie as the last of the series and toutes that Godzilla will die (as plastered on the poster) the thing audiences are going to see is the big payoff: His death. (And yet, vs. Destroyah still did less business than another movie with a very popular monster: Godzilla and Mothra: Battle for Earth.)

Destroyah was a wonderful idea for a monster, one that should be iconic, I agree. The problem is it was executed with the same type of style and attitude from the crew members as other Heisei monsters: A large, lurbing, overly stocky beast thay fires a beam. It didn't show audiences anything new. It didn't do anything that that SpaceGodzilla, Mecha-Godzilla or Biollante hadn't done-- a monster that sits there, looks massive and mostly shoots at Godzilla. Sure there's the multi-form trait, but nothing that we hadn't seen from Hedorah. Not to mention the Arregate Destroyahs crawling everywhere were done far superior in Gamera 2 the following year. (I mean Bandai toys? Really Toho?)

Meanwhile, King Ghidorah was the beast that first dwarfed Godzilla in both size and power, but he did more than brawl or beat away at Godzilla as seen in Raids Again, King Kong vs. Godzilla or Mothra vs. Godzilla. It was an invention by Eiji Tsuburya that was very different. A huge beast that was fast, chaotic and diligent at destroying cities quickly. Indeed, the roster of monsters did help his popularity, but that's part of the charm. How genius was it to pit three of Toho's toughest and most established franchises against one insane monster?

See, Destroyah has a great backstory, but that doesn't mean he was executed well enough to convince audiences how powerful he was. I've noticed here there's an argument that Godzilla was winning that battle most of the fight. I don't necessarily have a stance on it, but if the point is in contention amongst fans then it's clearly debatable.

Ghidorah: The Three-Headed Monster is not. It clearly took Toho's roster to beat King Ghidorah. And if anything, the next movie proved a stalemate is probable when Mothra isn't around to help.

That said, I do like Destroyah as I'm convinced all kaiju are unique in some way or another. I just think the style Kawikata brought him life with was uninteresting by this point. He could've been more. It's unfortunate most fans come to bat for Destroyah simply because of his backstory.

well if i picked monsters beside ghidorah or even mothra who need to have more movies about are, #5. orga (make him a creature who can adapt to anything and minus godzilla dna in his being) #4 megalon(make him more better, cooler and less generic) #3. rodan (possbilby give him a new seperate movie) #2. gigan( the same reason as anyone else) #1. biollante, she was an absolute badass, had an original concept at the time,the g cell plot works with her and it would be awesome. 

I could get behind more Rodan. I've always found it odd that there was never a Godzilla vs Rodan movie, but I guess there wasn't much of a point of it after Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster. I suppose we can call that "Godzilla vs. Rodan: With a Twist to the Screenplay," it shows how innovative Toho was at the time. Giving us a simple Godzilla/Rodan match-up would've been too easy.

Gigan is another one, even though he's typically portrayed in a fairly dopey manner. IDW comics had a great backstory to Gigan, but Toho shot it down. It would've been cool to see the monster taken in that direction though.

The others I could take or leave. I don't dislike any of them, but as far as impressions go I don't have that much interest in seeing them again...

yeah rodan seem like a good choice and i respect your opinions on the others

Don't get me wrong I see why Ghidorah is a good enemy and acknowledge he needed to be returned to. I enjoy most of his movies with the exception of GMK and possisbly final wars which I have a love hate relationship with. To exclude his after the first movie would take away some of the best entries in the entire series however, now after he has been returned to and redone a break is needed. As this goes back to the endless cycle of return to a popular monster because he's popular while leaving other monsters without the chance to build a following, or at least maintain a steady 1. Rodan is my personal favorite monster so I'm hoping, despite my stance of not returning to the overused monsters with Rodan being on the cusp of that catagory, that he's a monster brought back if they do return any toho monsters, but I wouldn't be disappointed if a different more underused monster took his place. Main point being not 1 of the big 3 that I like to refer to them as including Mothra, Ghidorah, and MechaG 

I personally love Destroyah's design. It was just unfortunate that conventional suit actor effects weren't able to utilize the character.

ok if toho made a new series we can include other monsters and have ghidorah in one movie(preferably the last one) if it would be a small series, if it is longer than the heiesi series then maybe two. the other movies of that series can have either new ones or monsters with small movie apperences like megalon, titanosaurs, biollante, altought this new series that toho may start may have new monsters or be influenced by popularity. but if ghidorah was in a new movie, i would want him as the ultimate bad guy, being so smart and evil and can have mind control over human (can) and can actually injure godzilla and push him to the limits, they could have godzilla have assitance from mothra who would be the polar opposite of ghidorah, thats just my ghidorah movie idea.

The one problem is a lot of these monsters have had decades upon decades to reach popularity. King Ghidorah was hit out of the blocks and that's why he's returned in so many. Ebirah? Not so much. Gigan? Well, enough to reuse immediately, but vs. Megalon kind of killed him for awhile. Most of the original Heisei monsters? Never iconic enough to return. Orga and Megaguirus? No one even cared.

And it's not necessarily about how many movies they've been in. The one that baffles me is Baragon. Apparently, in Japan, Baragon's popularity is astronomical and he's often used in Japanese pop culture. In Japan he's far more popular than Anguirus, who's been in more movies. The monster had one movie and a cameo before GMK. Go figure?

Not that I don't think there are monsters who shouldn't share some spotlight, but if they weren't super popular to begin with the chances of their return is quite low.

I guess my point is that monsters can't just be powerful and given interesting backstories then expected to be popular. They have to do something that shakes the audience in the movie and given something truley different to chew on. There's a wow factor with King Ghidorah and most fans that just doesn't exist with a lot of other monsters. I think it's less about giving other monsters a chance or more about how you present them-- Afterall, what if they're given more chances and the execution sucks? That's not very flattering for anyone.

As for Destroyah, I mostly like his design, but I do think the suitmation effects existed to do him better. But Kawikata was getting pretty lazy at this point in the series anyway. He's never been one to worry about mobility...

you have a good point gman, i think king ghidorah and mothra are toho's personal favourites, i considered godzilla mothra and king ghidorah as toho's big 3 monsters and they work so well with each other when you think about it.

Well not just Toho's, but the fans' favorites I think as well... Sometimes I'm baffled that Rodan isn't a part of that group, as he's fairly proven as well. I'd still like to see him in more though. That much I can agree with Durp on.

yeah considering rodan was one of the 3 monsters that got connected to one franchise but had a standalone movie i do think that rodan is under appreciated ( his role was good in g vs mg2) but i consider him better than angirus (no offence angirus fans) and rodan and mothra can work in stand alone movies seperate to the godzilla franchise.

Yes, but as you said a lot of that original popularity has to do with when their movie came out, and the setting for it. Decades don't matter if your original material is thought of as weak, as people won't go back to it to re-evaluate it. Granted we as fans of the series will thus we grow an appreciation for every monster in the series as we notice things no matter how subtle in every rewatch. I used to hate Mothra as a child simply because it baffled me in the original movie how 2 larvae beat the unstoppable Gozilla. Now while Mothra still isn't 1 of my favorite characters I can at least appreciate it. Had I not been a fan I would have probably seen the movie once dismissed it and hated Mothra with a passion since. Thus for the average viewer even in japan i would think as these movies don't hold the same stature they did at 1 point as evident by the success of the millennium series they may not know much about some of the older monsters, but every generation has gotten a chance to see Ghidorah, and this is a 40 year difference. It's not like the same people who went to the movies when Ghidorah the 3 headed monster and when Godzilla vs the Sea monster originally premiered are the major crowd attending movies now. Tastes and preferences change with different generations and the times. monsters that did well before might seem stupid now, and monster who didn't quite catch on may look very good to the current crowd.

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to argue here, but I'll sort it out and aleve some misconceptions. First the Millennium series is largely not considered a success. Toho was happy with the performance of two movies (guess which two), two others only did servicable business and the other two outright flopped. Hard.

Meanwhile, Mothra is considered one of, if not the, most popular Godzilla adversary in Japan. This is of course why the Mothra Trilogy was done after the Heisei Godzilla movies. Mothra appeals to the female demograph and because women outnumber men in that country, we have see a lot of love for Mothra.

As for how the earlier movies are seen-- Fairly positive actually. Most the Heisei and Millennium movies were made for a niche group. Namely the fans. But the early Showa movies had no problem reaching wide audiences and being remembered for it. This is also due to the fact that the actors in the early films were widely considered some of the best in Japan: A-list superstars that were often in Akira Kurasawa masterpieces and Takashi Shimura made several appearences-- A man who Time magazine felt confident enough to call "The Greatest Actor in the World." Those are factors that don't exactly go away when recalling old movies.

So it's not a forgotten legacy which may be why other monsters don't get the love or popularity from more audiences. There's a reason the 1960s were called the Golden Age of Kaiju Eiga. Even if current generations didn't see Ghidorah 40 years ago, they're well aware of his legacy.

I feel you missed the point I was trying to make. I'm well aware the millenium didn't do well hence why I used it's box office as a conparison to the lower stature the movies had from past generations. I was simply using mothra as an example of how a younger audience could see any godzilla movie, mothra being my example because as a fan and rewatching it changed my perception of the character something the average person wouldn't do if they disliked a movie. Mothra in that example could be changed with any old toho monster, Megalon, Gabara, Ebirah, ect could all fill his role for the setting of some1 watching the movie, thinking the storyline or movie itself was weak, and dismissing the character altogether, thus older enemies are left out in favor of the more popular ones creating the endless cycle of those monsters gaining popularity while the others aren't used and never get a chance.

Yes people are aware of Ghidorah, but are they aware of all the Godzilla monsters that have been used? Chances are during their lifetime at some point a Ghidorah movie has come out so if you're interested in the character from there they explore the other movies he's in promoting the characters popularity. This isn't the case with other monsters though who haven't been used recently. If you never see Megalon(just an example monster any old underrated Godzilla friend or foe could be put in this situation) in a new movie would you be interested? No of course not as there's nothing putting him in the spotlight to give an interest to him.  This brings me back to my point of while Megalon's original movie didn't do well that came out roughly 40 years ago and tastes of movie crowds change. He could be brought back and be received very well, but that will never get the chance as that idea would almost 100% be thrown out in favor of bringing back a monster like Ghidorah and Mothra aaaand the cycle would continue.

Main point being back to what I said originally those monsters are popular because they're forced on you. No point being a fan of titanosaurus, or jet jaguar as chances are you'll never see that monster again, but if you can at least make yourself get behind Ghidorah or Mothra your monster will always be returned to at 1 point or another. True the fans make these monster popular and thus toho keeps returning to them, but when you give 3 monsters an appearance in over half the movie entries you're basically cornering out the competition. It's like if there was a Ms America pageant and 5 contestants got to participate in every round while others just came in for 1 of 2 of course those 5 would win, and of course they'd be the favorites as the others have no real way to compete with that.Probably a bad example but you get my drift.

The hilarious Ms. America pagent example not withstanding, that does make more sense. Still I would argue that these monsters aren't being "forced" on the fanbase if there was a generational cry for them from the beginning. You said yourself King Ghidorah and Mothra are used the most-- quite frankly the generational between them isn't large enough to simply be passed on from one curious fan to another, they tend to be cross generational with the amount they're used-- the exception maybe being the jump from Showa to Heisei.

It's an interesting argument for other monsters; the idea that if some were used today it might be different. Still, using the argument "fans make these monsters popular", I can't say I've seen a massive, collective cry for something like Megalon or most of the original Heisei monsters. I have for Gigan and (at least in America) Anguirus, but those two at least got some limelight in Godzila Final Wars after an annoyingly long wait.

But at this point we're debating the symantics on how popularity exists. I don't see how anything's been forced on the audience if there's a demand for it or if it's embraced.  King Ghidorah has stood the test of time in the same sense Godzilla has. The unfortunate thing is both Godzilla and King Ghidorah's popularity are also part of a right-place-right-time scenerio that other monsters people have brought up were not privy to. Would something like Captain America had worked if it were released today a opposed to the early 1940s? Of course not, but it's endured all the way to today because of that initial success.