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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaJun-09-2017 10:51 AM

I've seen this topic a lot lately on Facebook and though it worthwhile to bring here. Be civil and you don't have to think of a treasure trove all at once. If something else hits you after you've posted, go ahead and post again. I'll kick us off:

- Godzilla's Revenge is an excellent coming of age film about the hardships of living in urban Japan during the late 1960s and 1970s and is a deconstruction of the Japanese nuclear family. It's one of Ishiro Honda's most true and honest movies and the kind of story we would have seen more of had he been allowed to direct more movies he wanted to make. It's not really a Godzilla movie which is its ultimate strength and the use of stock footage is far more intelligent than Gamera vs. Viras which inspired the 'technique'. The main character lives in a world where Godzilla is a film series, so it makes sense he would merely be reliving moments in the movies.

- The Heisei series is the weakest era of the Godzilla franchise. This is due to its slowly decreasing quality of effects (despite higher budgets and more resources), poor directors-for-hire and atrocious third acts which mostly revolved around main characters watching battles from the safety of a really big screen. There's more general laziness that irks me about the series, but ultimately it has aged much worse than any other era I can think of.

- As atrocious as Final Wars is, it's still watchable enough for the fact it at least looks/is shot like one of the more unique films in the series.

- Pacific Rim is Legendary Pictures' best giant monster film yet--It blows away both Godzilla '14 and Kong: Skull Island.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."
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Ultrazero80

MemberTitanosaurusJun-10-2017 8:58 AM

Oh ok.

Godzilla... Truly a God incarnate.

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonJun-10-2017 9:01 AM

"I don't think you're entirely accurate there." His own effects showcase it themselves. You can see his effects go downhill from each film.

"You're not going to win me over with any arguments against Kawakita,"

This was never my objective or mission. Quite frankly, I'm not here to change your mind. I'm sorry if you felt this way.

"I think the man is too harshly dumped on by the more snobbish side of the fanbase." 

That may be the case. We can thank Toho for deeming Biollante less superior at the box office, and if his drinking rumor is true. The effects on Biollante alone would make Stan Winston's head spin.

"But yes, your criticisms are fueled by your personal feelings."

 

Again, pointing out a films weaknesses is not personal feelings. I don't have feelings towards the movies. I enjoy them for what they are. But, with weaknesses in any of these films, it stops them dead in their tracks from being completely enjoyable. 

"You're entitled to them, I just don't agree with them."

And this is perfectly fine. I'm just not going to be confronted by an illusion and confusion by how poor some of these films are. 

We enjoy the heisei series, this is perfectly fine bro. I'm not here to change your mind or downgrade your opinion on this subject. I'll agree these films are made for entertainment purposes, but with weaknesses, they become less and less enjoyable. I don't hate these films nor anyone else's opinion. 

We've both have been fans for nearly 30 years together. There's no reason we can't have a mature conversation over Godzilla. 

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The Hooded Figure

MemberTitanosaurusJun-10-2017 9:02 AM

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YukisSpecial

MemberBaragonJun-10-2017 9:04 AM

 "There's no reason we can't have a mature conversation over Godzilla."

Well last I checked, we were :)  Cheers.

TheGMan123

MemberTitanosaurusJun-10-2017 10:51 AM

I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but let's roll with it:

I think films won't be able to preserve Godzilla for long.

I think things like animation (be it serialized or installment-based) and comic books will be the eventual successor to live-action film as the main Godzilla media to preserve the character for future generations.

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaJun-10-2017 10:59 AM

"I think films won't be able to preserve Godzilla for long."

I think after 60+ years of movies and more and more techniques used to preserve, copy and remaster films being developed all the time, this is quite frankly untrue for any fandom.

"And by the way, if you want a REALLY unpopular opinion, my favorite G-Film of all time is Gigan."

Gigan used to be one of my favorite films as it was the very first Godzilla movie I ever saw. These days I need more than nostalgia to get me through a movie, though. It's a hard one to sit through regardless of sentiment. I don't hate it by any stretch and still have fond memories of the film, but, ironically, once the battle starts I lose interest and it kind of drags. Those characters were too entertaining to take a time out during the second act.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Ultrazero80

MemberTitanosaurusJun-10-2017 1:18 PM

I'm very mixed when it comes to my opinion on Godzilla vs. Gigan.

Godzilla... Truly a God incarnate.

The King of the Monsters

MemberBaragonJun-10-2017 4:47 PM

Ebirah, Horror of the Deep and Son of Godzilla are almost as good as the Ishiro Honda-directed classics of the early Showa era.

Godzilla 2000 comes off as an extremely lazy and rushed film that believed it could justify its own existence just by erasing the bad taste left by G98The American re-edit takes steps to actually remedy this.

Destroy All Monsters is one of Ishiro Honda's weaker efforts, and for most of its runtime feels like a watered-down version of his previous films. Only the final battle really makes the film memorable.

Rebirth of Mothra I and III are both good movies.

Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II is my favorite Godzilla film.

I probably have a few more, but those are ones I can think of off the top of my head.

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaJun-10-2017 5:21 PM

The Stan Winston Godzilla design is slightly better than the Legendary design.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaJun-10-2017 5:32 PM

The King of the Monsters,
Not disagreeing with your take on Sea Monster or Son of Godzilla in the least, in fact I largely agree--Would you elaborate more on them? Specifically Son? I find that to be an excellent entry.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

The King of the Monsters

MemberBaragonJun-10-2017 5:54 PM

I've always felt that Son of Godzilla is often unfairly dismissed simply because of Minilla's presence and Godzilla's design. The film has a very likable cast of characters, specifically Goro Maki and Saeko Matsumiya, and the human scenes never drag on when the monsters aren't on screen. The cast of actors does a good job in their roles, and Goro Maki remains my favorite role for Akira Kubo in the Godzilla series. The film also wisely gets the humans into the monster action, whether they are hiding from Kamacuras or cowering and shooting their rifles as Kumonga's legs try to grab them. Just having the humans physically confront one of the kaiju is a refreshing touch.

The monsters also have plenty of character in the film. Minilla is mischievous but lovable, and his interactions with the stern anti-hero Godzilla are great to watch. The movie does a fantastic job concluding Godzilla's character development; at the start he is only preserving his species by rescuing Minilla, but by the end he legitimately has come to care for his son and against his own best interest stays on the island to comfort Minilla as it freezes over and they fall into hibernation. Kamacuras and Kumonga are excellent villain kaiju too. The Kamacuras are mean and nasty bullies who have no problem picking on the humans and Minilla, but get what they deserve once they meet Godzilla and Kumonga. Kumonga is a legitimately threatening villain, a kaiju who eats other kaiju. The scene where he nearly kills Minilla and Godzilla races to save his son is legitimately suspenseful, and the final battle is terrific as well, with Minilla rescuing his father at one point and their combined efforts finally defeating Kumonga.

Last but not least there's Masaru Sato's score. While Sato's may not be Ifukube, his scores compliment Fukuda's films extremely well. His Son of Godzilla score features many great pieces, from the cute and playful Minilla theme to the energetic Kamacuras theme and the ominous Kumonga theme. The "Godzilla vs. Kumonga" piece is another standout, beginning with a faster-paced version of the film's Godzilla theme and eventually building into the film's main theme. My personal favorite piece in the score has to be the end title, which begins slow and somber, but by the end swells into a heartwarming and triumphant close to the film, perfectly supplementing the onscreen action.

I know that was kind of an informal mini-review, but off the top of my head that's why I love Son of Godzilla so much and view it as a true classic of the Showa series.

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Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonJun-10-2017 8:33 PM

^

Outstanding short review of Son of Godzilla there @the king of monsters. 

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaJun-10-2017 9:28 PM

The King of the Monsters,
Love it. More or less mirrors many of my thoughts--Though the idea that Godzilla was only preserving his species at the beginning and learning to care for Minilla is a new interpretation. I enjoyed reading that. It's refreshing to read such praise for an otherwise highly underrated film.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Im Durp

MemberBaragonJun-10-2017 10:13 PM

I disliked Son of Godzilla for a long time. Rewatched before G14 came out and realized it's a great movie. So much fun, I think I prefer Ebirah Horror from the Deep between the two, but that's not a knock against Son of Godzilla I just really love Horror from the Deep

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonJun-11-2017 4:57 PM

Thought of something else that may be unpopular.

Comic books are not Canon and never will be. 

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TheGMan123

MemberTitanosaurusJun-11-2017 5:31 PM

I mentioned that my opinion of comics being canon was the unpopular one, last time I checked when I brought up the notion around here in one of the other debates :P

EmptyH

MemberBaragonJun-12-2017 5:22 PM

Mothra vs Godzilla is boring and no good. This makes me sad because Mothra is one of my favorite.

Invasion of Astro Monster is a great film except for that horrible dance.

Godzilla vs. Hedorah is a top 5 Godzilla film.

Godzilla 2014 is in the bottom half, while Shin is top 2.

Titanosaurus has the best roar.

 

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riggzamortis86

MemberTitanosaurusAug-30-2017 7:36 AM

The Gamera heisei series is better that the Godzilla Heisei series with special FX.

The Return of Godzilla and Shin Gojira are the best in the entire series!

 

YOU.....DUMBBELL!

EmptyH

MemberBaragonAug-30-2017 4:52 PM

That Gamera heisei series is pretty sweet and I would argue it is better in more than just special FX.

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The Legend of Brian

MemberBaragonAug-30-2017 7:59 PM

My unpopular opinion. Even though Planet of Monsters comes out this year, I'm more excited for King of the Monsters.

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaAug-30-2017 8:11 PM

"That Gamera heisei series is pretty sweet and I would argue it is better in more than just special FX."

Agreed. In fact I don't think a single kaiju movie has topped Gamera 3: The Revenge of Irys since its release. (Another likely unpopular opinion--If I haven't stated it before.)

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

TrapZilla

MemberMothra LarvaeAug-31-2017 1:30 AM

Godzilla 2000 is my favorite design, Legendary Godzilla is my second, and Godzilla 1991 comes in 3rd.

The Heisei films are great, minus GvSG, GvMothra, and GvMG.

The showa films had the best stories of the entire series, but also the worst special effects

Godzilla is way cooler as a bad guy

GvMG 1974 is the best film of the whole series

akira ifukubes scores should be played or used as source material in the Monsterverse movies

If Bryan Cranston would have made it to the end of Godzilla 2014, the movie would have made 600 milion plus at the box office

Also still think Legendary screwed up by killing him off, he should be on the head of Monarch operations working with Serizawa for GKOTM

The introduction to the skullcrawlers in Kong was god awful. We get John C reily narrating their appearance with no element of suprise or suspense whatsoever.

The last fight Scene where Kong is chained up by the boats is so unrealistic. You literally have to turn your brain off to watch it. There is no way those people aren't killed by the skullcrawler while Kong is tied up for that long. It's like where you see if you can hold your breath for as long as someone is in the movie. Just count how many seconds Kong is tied up and you'll know what I mean. 

 Legendary Godzilla needs bigger teeth and more powerful atomic breath.

Godzilla should never faint for longer than a few minutes, that was ridiculous. He kicks ass and he leaves, he doesn't faint.

All right all right all right

CWzx2112

MemberMothra LarvaeAug-31-2017 8:58 AM

I grew up with the Heisei series and honestly Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992) and Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah are in my Top 5 movies of the entire Godzilla franchise.

Im Durp

MemberBaragonAug-31-2017 1:43 PM

Pacific Rim is the best Kaiju movie in the last 17 years.

 

Not really Godzilla, but relates to Godzilla movies so guess I'll add it.

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaAug-31-2017 2:50 PM

^Given my Gamera 3 comment, I can largely agree with this sentiment.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonAug-31-2017 6:07 PM

@Trapzilla,

Showa had the worst special effects? What weed you smokin'? More blatant disrespect to Eiji Tsuburaya the master of monsters and tokusatsu. 

Anyway, The Gamera trilogy, Pacrim, and Shin Godzilla are the best Kaiju films to date. 

Kong skull island>Godzilla 2014. 

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TrapZilla

MemberMothra LarvaeAug-31-2017 7:13 PM

@Huge-Ben some bomb ass shit from Cali haha. The miniatures were better I'll give you that but in terms of suits and atomic breath showa loses.

All right all right all right

TrapZilla

MemberMothra LarvaeAug-31-2017 7:22 PM

Godzilla 1989/1991 has the best roar of any Godzilla 

All right all right all right

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaAug-31-2017 8:30 PM

^I don't think that's unpopular.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonSep-01-2017 7:32 AM

@Trapzilla,

"But in terms of suits and atomic breath, Showa loses."

Funny that the atomic breath in the 90's heisei series didn't create explosions but 4th of July sparks. Koichi Kawakita had a much higher budget and failed at capitalizing on it. He used the Bandai Destoroyah toys...His effects were too sparky and glittery to be honest. Very rarely did we see the monsters with wings actually flap them. They looked like cardboard floating and gliding in the air. That's not using your craftsmanship to the fullest in special effects. Just because the suits may be better in terms of looks doesn't mean better effects. 

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