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Godzilla: The Planet Eaters mind numbing message

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Titan of Water

MemberBaragonJan-10-2019 10:40 AM

While the Planet Eater was pretty boring and the fight stunk, I like it better than the other two because it had some genuinely emotional scenes. But I have one MAJOR complaint. The message of this movie is that humans should abandon all technology and live as primitive cavemen. WHAT? I know us humans need to do a better job taking care of it but instead of what they said, I don’t know, solar panels, wind energy, water energy, I could go on. Why would Toho green light that? It’s absolutely ridiculous.

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaJan-10-2019 8:45 PM

I don't think that's remotely the message of the movie. And even if it can be read as anti-progressive, I think that's missing the forest for the trees. There's a far more convoluted discussion going on in the film about topics pertaining to religion, faith, hatred, aggression and arrogance. To say the movie has a message, or singular message, feels too simple.

I already spent my two cents on how the film covers these topics in another thread, so I'll just copy and paste those thoughts since they're relevant to the topic:

It's interesting how each monster represents a god to certain people and have religions/cults built around them. One of my favorite things about the second movie was how hypocritical the Bilusaludo were toward the Exif. They mocked the Exif for their religion, but really the Bilusaludo's religion was the worship of their technology/nano-metal/MechaGodzilla--It was no different. They were just blind to it.

By the third movie it's clear that the Exif act more as a cult than a religion, but I suppose it's still worth exploring when you compare them to the benevolent Houtua. Godzilla, MechaGodzilla and King Ghidorah were all perceived as gods or worshiped out of arrogance and fear. Mothra is the only one worshiped because the Houtua trust her and find comfort in her. She's not being used to justify negative attributes--Like Haruo's hatred, the Bilusaludo's arrogance and the Exif's cultural beliefs.

In fact Mothra's existence did the one thing humanity has always needed to understand each other better--Help the Houtua communicate better. She was the antithesis of all of these 'gods' and unlike Godzilla, MechaGodzilla [City] and King Ghidorah, she never got physically involved. She was somehow above all of that.

Major spoiler here, but what blew my mind was his
[Haruo's] decision by the end of the third movie. While it doesn't really work on a practical level - he left his unborn child behind and we're supposed to assume his sacrifice means no one else held ill will against Godzilla - it really sings as a symbolic gesture.

The Houtua had no word for "hate", but Haruo carried a sense of aggression and hatred with him that couldn't exist if humanity were to move on. King Ghidorah was a physical manifestation of his hatred and the nanometal was the remnants of Bilusaludo arrogance. In ridding the Houtua of himself, Godzilla finally ended his reign as the "God of Destruction". Godzilla had already remade the world in his image and the Houtua had learned to co-exist with him. So with Haruo's death he really did become just like a tornado or lightning. (As one of the Mothra twins said.)

Additionally, King Ghidorah would no longer return and the nanometal had been destroyed. This could be viewed as anti-progressive, but I tend to see it as progression of another kind. It turns out Mothra may be the only real god(ess) in this universe afterall--And a good one that encourages communication and removes hate from the vocabulary. Haruo would've infected that vernacular.

It's idealistic, but shockingly admirable. Planet Eater isn't the first story I've seen to suggest removing aggressive heroes that threaten peace. Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz also engages in the discussion of what to do with soldiers in a world that doesn't need them--Should peace exist. Star Trek Beyond's villain was a good man cast aside in a world that no longer needed his aggressive nature. He felt alone in the Federation and attempted to shatter their peace because it was in his nature.

It's not a perfectly thought out ideal, but it has merit and is worth discussing: Do soldiers like Haruo in Godzilla, Heero in Gundam and Krall in Star Trek exist merely to protect the more peaceful and benevolent until they're no longer needed? And what happens to them when they're recognized as an old breed of unnecessary aggression? Do they die? Do they leave? Do they try to find a new sense of meaning?

It's sort of a scary topic and I was in shock when The Planet Eater touched on it. If briefly.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

ZillaDude345

MemberBaragonJan-11-2019 4:42 AM

 I honestly expected a lot more from this movie. The animation stunk, there was a bunch of plot holes. And the fight consisted of Ghidorah coming down and biting Godzilla. This sucked im disappointed

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EmptyH

MemberBaragonJan-11-2019 4:50 AM

I am going to have to disagree about the message the movie was telling. That may be what you took from it, but I have to agree with Gman that more was at play here.

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RR44

MemberBaragonJan-15-2019 7:49 AM

If I had to summarize this third movies theme... it would be this... inevitability death comes to us all... and how we face that knowing we are nothing more than creature who exist for a time and that there is nothing more to us than the life we live... and you must accept the inevitable. Ghidorah being the inevitable. What a crock of horse crap.

That is what I got from watching that horrible piece of garbage that is passed off as a Godzilla film. The ending was utterly stupid in my opinion.   Godzilla himself was the only redeeming quality in all 3 movies.

Never again will I watch any of those flicks because they are pointless. It's a story that in my opinion... was poorly written and like shin Gojira... totally boring and particularly absent of creative thought. In other words... what creativity went into these films... was lazy. My imagination could have come up with a better story line for all of those movies and made them more worth while... but TOHO rushed production on Shin Gojira... and it shows... and the anime series... awful in my opinion. Missed golden opportunities in my opinion.

Japanese fans embraced shin G... and it made a lot of money over there... but it did not do well here... and KOM will do well here and when the Japanese fan base see's KOM... I think they'll be able to see which version of Godzilla appeals to them best... and I'm betting that Shin Gojira will become a flash in the pan... while Godzilla KOM will become the new face for generations to come.

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaJan-15-2019 11:55 AM

RR44,
"Japanese fans embraced shin G... and it made a lot of money over there... but it did not do well here..."

This isn't true at all. It was only released in select theaters and was one of the highest grossing indie/select releases of the year. It garnered positive reviews in America and the American based Saturn Awards even nominated it for best foreign film.

"I think they'll be able to see which version of Godzilla appeals to them best... and I'm betting that Shin Gojira will become a flash in the pan... while Godzilla KOM will become the new face for generations to come."

I wouldn't bet on it. Japanese reaction to the Godzilla: King of the Monsters trailers have been lukewarm. Here's a quote from one of the most reliable English speaking, Japanese Box Office analysts that has been watching and predicting Japanese numbers for over a decade. He operates from World of KJ:

"I'm not really expecting too much from it. Probably a gross similar to the 2014 film, maybe slightly less. It has average online presence, at best, and I don't really believe there's a large audience that is too interested in Hollywood's new Godzilla films.

Godzilla, the 2014 film, did decently, but it dropped 43% compared to the 1998 film; and Toho's critcially-acclaimed Shin Godzilla did more than 2.5x its business just a couple years ago.

The inclusion of other iconic monsters (Mothra, in particular) might generate some interest, but it's not like Japanese audiences haven't seen them all together many times before, so... The designs, from what I can tell, look fine, but the Japanese are also quite critical when Hollywood adapts domestic material (the 2014 Godzilla design was described as "obese" or "western" by some) and it rarely works out.

The sequel also looks like a darker film, in both when everything is happening and its tone, and that usually doesn't play well in the market."

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."
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