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GODZILLA: Which King is really King?

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Devianteist

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 6:35 AM

After reading a short conversation between Gman2887 and Kage432, I'd like the raise a broad version, of an old question;

Which version of Godzilla is the most powerful?

Many people believe it is Burning Godzilla. Others believe it is Final Godzilla. Still, some will argue that Megaguirus Godzilla. Some might even say that GMK Godzilla is the most powerful, and still, some are speculating that Godzilla (2014) will be the most powerful yet to grace us. The list goes on.

With evidence at hand, the original script of Godzilla: Final Wars suggested itself to be a sequel to Godzilla VS Destoroyah.

Godzilla Junior was to face off against multiple kaiju, until an epic final showdown with Destoroyah. With the power inherited from his surrogate father, Junior was to battle to greatest threat to the Godzilla species; a manefistation of the Oxygen Destroyer combined with Micro-Oxygen.

As we all know, this was script was scrapped, and left two questions hanging. The one addressed here, and the other addressed here.

What do you all think? Which Godzilla really is the strongest? I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts.

EDIT- THINGS TO AVOID-
After a short conversation with user Kage432, I will address a couple things that are better off avoided-
Certain abilities possessed by Godzilla that are not controlled. An example being Burning Godzilla's meltdown being capable of destroying Earth. He is not willingly controlling his meltdown.
Kage also mentioned PIS (plot induced stupidity) and CIS (character induced stupidity).
An example of PIS, is Godzilla suddenly (as in, immediatly upgraded) being upgraded in power by an outside source, as in Final Wars.
An examle of CIS is Super MechaGodzilla [2] allowing the chance for Fire Rodan to revive Godzilla instead of outright obliterating both kaiju.
Lastly, Kage brought forth the [dreaded] No Limits Fallacy. What this means is that Godzilla has an ability with a misunderstood/misinterpreted amount of power. Kage brought forth the example of Godzilla disrupting a black hole with his Red Spiral Ray. Anyone who's read up on gravitational singularities will know that this is not possible, as matter of any kind cannot disrupt a black hole.
User Durp004 brought forth a point that some of these "rules" are too limiting to the debate, and that they are mostly opinion based. These rules would not be here, had I not analyzed them and their possible limitations on the debate: I found none.
If you feel something falls under these rules, but still need it for your argument, bust a move and tell us why it doesn't. After all, this is a debate.

EDIT- They are no longer rules, but merely things better off avoided.

Deviation is not shameful. Conforming is.
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MilqueChocolate

MemberBaragonApr-25-2014 6:37 AM

You mean my Godzilla vs Gamera discussion? That was a pretty cool debate they had going there. I think the strongest Godzilla is FW.

FrogNation

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 6:39 AM

Godzilla (Final Wars one) was more agile than burning godzilla, and didnt need to ener a state of crisis do use the red radiation breath used to kill Keizer ghidorah.

Final Wars Godzilla- just about

Kage432

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 7:05 AM

@DEVIANTEIST - Honestly I didn't think you would be the one to make this thread. For now I'll wait for more opinions to circulate or for GMAN to arrive so we can do this thing the right way. 

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Devianteist

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 7:09 AM

@Kage432- "Honestly I didn't think you would be the one to make this thread."- Really? Why do you think that?
As for that, I think if Gman2887 drops in here, we'll have an insanely nice debate on our hands.

Deviation is not shameful. Conforming is.

Kage432

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 7:13 AM

@DEVIANTEIST - I didn't think you'd be curious enough to want to engage in debate.

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Kage432

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 7:13 AM

Oops lol

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Devianteist

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 7:16 AM

@Kage432- I'm a very curious person, and it was you and Gman's debate, and our short debate, that inspired me to figure out what everyone thought. Curiousity might kill this cat, though. Plus, it helps me learn how best to interact with other people, in person or digitally.

Deviation is not shameful. Conforming is.

Kage432

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 7:20 AM

@DEVIANTEIST - Well, versus threads always did have a way with bringing all kinds of people together under a single topic. I've met some of the most brilliant people through them and some of the most stubborn.

Also, edge up your OP. A path to one of the discussions isn't working.

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Devianteist

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 7:25 AM

@Kage432- So I've seen. A previous topic of mine, Zilla: Respect or Tolerance, brought in many different minds, and was quite a great topic, till it flash-froze at 54 replies. As did Who Is Godzilla's Ultimate Foe.
I like to stir up the pot. I hope this topic'll do that yet again.

Deviation is not shameful. Conforming is.

Kage432

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 7:27 AM

@DEVIANTEIST - So, will you be participating in today's debate my friend?

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Devianteist

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 7:30 AM

@Kage432- I'll be doing the same as you. Waiting for more opinions before I step in myself with my view.

Deviation is not shameful. Conforming is.

Durp004

MemberBaragonApr-25-2014 7:32 AM

Well I think it's well known by any1 that regularly visits the classic section that my vote goes to Burning Godzilla for a number of reasons, that I've listed on so many threads. I'll look them up and copypaste the answers onto this 1 eventually.

Kage432

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 7:39 AM

@DEVIANTEIST - Sorry, this just occured to me. Are you treating this as an actual versus thread? If so, there a couple of rules you should set in the OP to prevent certain problems in the future of this thread from arising.

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Devianteist

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 7:42 AM

@Kage432- Hm. I'm glad you pointed that out. Please, send me a PM with more details.

@Durp004- I look forward to seeing your posts.

Deviation is not shameful. Conforming is.

KingKaijuGojira

MemberTitanosaurusApr-25-2014 8:37 AM

I say all incarnations of Godzilla are the same. There is only one. Well techniacally three. The one who rampaged in 1954. The one who appeared in the sequel and we followed through the rest of the series (I also assumed he was the son of the 1954 Godzilla) and Minilla aka Godzilla Jr. I believe all the Godzilla's in the movies (except 1998) are the same being and is the one and only King of the Monsters.

\"SKREEONGK!\" -Godzilla

luislock

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 9:09 AM

@KINGKAIJUGOJIRA That's actually not true. In the Millenium series they actually say that the Godzilla from 1954 was different. Then again the millenium series had many different incarnations but it also further proves my point. Especially with GMK since that Godzilla was a mainfestation of world war II soldiers' souls. And in the Heisei series there is Godzilla Jr who is not Minilla since in final wars minilla came up next to Godzilla Jr.

KingKaijuGojira

MemberTitanosaurusApr-25-2014 9:23 AM

In my defense, my argument was just my opinion. I believe that it is they are all the same creature. It may or may not be exactly true, but it is what I think.

\"SKREEONGK!\" -Godzilla

KAIJEW...LOL

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 9:54 AM

Godzilla 2014 looks the most powerful to me, because he has armored skin,and he appears to be stronger than the most previous incarnations of godzilla in the past.

junkerde

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 10:04 AM

smog monster godzilla, he'll just fly away

Devianteist

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 10:13 AM

@Junkerde- I found that funnier than I think I should have. Thanks for making my day!

Deviation is not shameful. Conforming is.

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaApr-25-2014 10:40 AM

Not sure why some of you are waiting on me. I've never been that interested in talking about how powerful different Godzillas are. Technically they're all king of the respective timelines they exist in.

Another thing I want to propose, for those who enjoy the conversation, are changing variables. The Final Wars Godzilla slung Kumunga clear over the horizon, Showa Godzilla had a rougher time. Who's to say the Showa Kumunga isn't stronger? Maybe it would've given the Final Wars Godzilla a tougher fight? What if the Heisei monsters are much stronger than the Final Wars monsters? It might provide a greater challenge.

Some of these Godzillas may be stronger, or maybe the monsters their fighting are weaker? Perhaps it's time to compare monsters in terms of which Godzilla we're comparing? For all we know Showa G has the strength to one hit KO the Final Wars Godzilla.

Just something to propose for those who enjoy the conversation.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Kage432

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 11:22 AM

@GMAN2887 - That is why we use feats in these discussions. And about Kumunga. Not only does Kumonga only fight via shooting web nets that get you all sticky and jumping around like a dumbass thus his showings in the Showa era are perfectly identical to his showings in Final Wars, it wouldn't matter. Their battle was not the issue, it was how much physical strength Godzilla had at his disposal to toss another Kaiju that far to begin with. Have you any idea what monsterous strength that would require to accomplish such a feat?

Also. Has Showa Godzilla demonstrated physical power equal to or beyond the force of impact that would result from being smashed on your head top by a kaiju sized meteor that decimated the surrounding environment? If not then THAT is how we know that Showa Godzilla is incapable of one-shoting Final Wars Godzilla. Feats.

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaApr-25-2014 11:52 AM

I simply think "feats" or accomplishments, is a rather narrow way of looking at this. It makes it easy to explain away some things, but it still doesn't write off the Heisei monsters and their obnoxious powers compared to what Godzilla fought in Final Wars. It also doesn't include other variables from universe to universe.

I'm not saying Final Wars Godzilla isn't the strongest, but I don't think it's as finite as you or some others say. Presumptuous still.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Kage432

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 12:19 PM

@GMAN2887 - I understand that the use of feats may rule out certain mechanics as they are indeed accomplishments but that is exactly why to this day we use them in versus threads. It goes like this, if Godzilla has been shown to be capable of something and it doesn't fall under the no limits fallacy it can be used. And it doesn't write off any of the capabilites of the Heisei monsters at all. If they have something they can actually apply in battle that does not hinge upon a plot device or circumstances that cannot be applied out of their universe then you may use them accordingly. For an example, in a popular anime series titled Naruto, there are clan members capable of manipuating your senses, making you experience horrible illusions called Genjutsu. However, to accomplish this the user must manipulate the target's chakra in order to achieve the effect. This poses no problem within the Naruto universe as every ninja has chakra, but outside of Naruto the ocular hypnosis of the sharingan as its called cannot be used against an opponent without chakra. So simply put, sharingan users cannot trap Spider-man in a genjutsu.

As for feats, its a simple concept and the most effective way when added with the basic rules of this versus thread to ensure that these characters can be pitted against each other appropriately.

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Something Real

MemberGodzillaApr-25-2014 12:29 PM
Now this is a compelling debate! Hmmm. In order to get a good beed on this discussion, I'd first have to posit this question: in each film, how swiftly does Godzilla deal with the enemies he has the pleasure of beating down? That's a quantifiable element that can be easily measured. In most of his films, Godzilla must grapple with his nemisis for many tense moments - perhaps coming into conflict with him/her/them over multiple encounters before finally achieving victory. All things have stamina within a fight and require time to rest in order to recover from fatigue and wounds. With that as the case, this girl has to say that Godzilla from the Final Wars film is by far the most potent incarnation to date. He wades through enemy after enemy without much injury or need to rest - he simply powers through them like mini-bosses on Contra! Even after he's done away with the motley crew arrayed against him, he's still in tip-top shape! What a hunk! ;)

Devianteist

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 12:30 PM

@Gman2887- The reason I waited for you to possibly post here, was to get that unique perspective you carry about yourself. It's a refresher, you see. Keeps our minds (er, mine at least) cranking.

@Kage432- You have a valid point in what you say, so why not start comparing the Godzillas themselves?

Deviation is not shameful. Conforming is.

Devianteist

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 12:32 PM

@Something Real- I have no idea why, but whenever I read your posts, I can't help but both feel enlightened and amused. You really do bring up great points.

Deviation is not shameful. Conforming is.

Something Real

MemberGodzillaApr-25-2014 12:35 PM
DEVIANTEIST - My pleasure. This is a fun debate! ;)

Kage432

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 12:43 PM

@DEVIANTEIST - Because when I do that outright people think I'm being a know it all or whatever fits their arguments lol. I want to lay the ground work so that you guys can put the peices together and start debating with feats yourselves, and if I feel that someone's raising strong points against mine I'll step in to defend my arguments :)

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jonsqu

MemberMothra LarvaeApr-25-2014 1:02 PM

In terms of fighting ability, Final War Godzilla.

However, if the Godzillas were to fight one another, G-14 would likely win (or at least be a formidable combatant) due to his size.

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