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IS GODILLA JR FINAL WARS???

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kaijusaurusrex87

MemberMothra LarvaeJun-20-2014 2:29 AM

Theres alot of convincing evidence that jr from the heisei series might be FW. for example at the beggining of G:FW theres a couple of seconds were we see stock footage in front of the "New Godzilla." it could be interperted two ways: 1. its just stock footage. 2. it might be implying that this "New Godzilla." is junior as an adult. maybe after his father died he might have gone on a rampage and the Gotengo led him away from civilazation and took him out. many G fans doubt this theory because in final wars that godzilla was violent. the reason he was violent was because of his fathers death. if you dont agree, thats perfectly fine, its just a theory. if you do thats great! thanks for your time!

-kristian

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dalek8

MemberMothra LarvaeJun-20-2014 8:30 AM

I'm pretty sure that in am earlier script Godzilla was supposed to be jr. And monster x was supposed to be desotroyah. I think they Changed it so they wouldn't have to worry about continuity errors :/

KManX89

MemberMothra LarvaeJun-20-2014 10:29 AM

@DALEK-why would there be continuity errors? Unless you want to say that FW isn't canon, which makes sense in that regard. Other than that, I don't see what continuity errors there would be by making FW Godzilla Godzilla Jr.

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaJun-20-2014 10:40 AM

Dalek is dead right. Plus, Toho probably decided that the Heisei series is long over and didn't need to be continued.

Kmanx,Dalek8 is referring to worrying about keeping up with all the Heisei series established continuity. So much has been established there that it would've been a pain to acknowledge. So they simply decided it would be its own standalone film. Which works better. Godzilla Final Wars look and style simply doesn't fit that of the Heisei series.

The only reason the stock footage of Godzilla Junior is seen at the end is because Kyle Cooper, who did the opening title montage, thought it looked cool. That's it.

Plus, before the movie was released, the opening scene with the Gotengo was said to take place around the 1960s/70s-- I don't recall where I read that, but if it's true it doesn't add up with the Heisei series timeline.

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MemberMothra LarvaeJun-20-2014 1:10 PM

hey man good Question but i already ask this but from my experance Gman2887 is the man that knows 

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonJun-20-2014 1:28 PM

(quote from godzilla final wars)

The m organization, there mission was to destroy the number one enemy, the king of monsters that apperead in 1954 which still threatens man's very existence it's name is...SSKKRRREEEEEOOOOONNNNNGGGGKKKKK. :)

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaJun-20-2014 1:37 PM

^There you go.

So it almost insinuates a histroy similar to Godzilla x Megaguirus: The idea that Godzilla appeared in 1954, but was never killed by the Oxygen Destroyer. So he's probably been at large since then in Final Wars.

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Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonJun-20-2014 1:39 PM

^ exactly the only reason why i remember that is because my little 6 year old nephew loves godzilla final wars, but of course he says he loves all of them, so in a way he is like his uncle here. :)

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KingKaijuGojira

MemberTitanosaurusJun-20-2014 1:43 PM

1. Welcome to the site.

2. The Millennium series is not connected to the Heisei series in any way. It was just stock footage.

3. They say he's mad at humanity for starting a huge fire and destroying everything in the land, which obviously means he is pissed about the hydrogen bomb testings and perhaps another of his kind being killed by The Oxygen Destroyer.

\"SKREEONGK!\" -Godzilla

Durp004

MemberBaragonJun-20-2014 2:19 PM

@Bigbadben The quote doesn't really clarify anything regarding to the timeframe Final Wars is using, simply says when Godzilla appeared. I don't think Final Wars actually uses any dates, or years, so depending if you believe the opening sequence started in the 60s and the story takes place in current time, or if the opening sequence takes place in 2004 and the main story is in the future, depends if you see it even being possible for the movie to follow heisei.

As for the main topic personally I don't see it was following the the heisei as it shows cuts from every godzilla movie prior to Final wars in that opening scene including scenes from the millenium and showa that have no correlation. The shot with Junior surrounded by smoke roaring just looked cool as a last shot.

Huge-Ben

MemberBaragonJun-20-2014 2:31 PM

@durp004,

why not? the way i understood it was like that godzilla had still been alive since 1954 and was still threathening to destroy us all. :)

And i do believe there is a time frame as the film was made in 2004, maybe they left it that way, but who knows? I really don't care as these are all just movies at the end of the day. :)

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G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaJun-20-2014 3:35 PM

A lot of the history and dates were left ambiguous on purpose no doubt. It keeps the story very open ended. If people want to believe it's Junior, they can I suppose. But, likewise, if people want to assume this is a sequel to another Millennium flick they can believe that as well if they want.

It's an equivocal movie so it doesn't exactly need the backstories of any past series-- linking it to the Heisei era, for example, doesn't make it a better movie. Fans can simply satisfy themselves by linking it to one era or another, but it's largely inconsequential.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

Something Real

MemberGodzillaJun-20-2014 4:27 PM

KAIJUSAURUSREX87 - Welcome to the site! We're always happy to see new faces around here! As for your question: the Godzilla from Final Wars was most likely not Godzilla Jr. from vs. Destroyah. As you've no doubt read in the above comments, the continuity errors that would have arisen due to that choice on Toho's part would have been problematic. Regardless, this was a very fun topic upon which to think! :)

Danzilla93

MemberBaragonJun-20-2014 6:10 PM

Its not Junior.  The Final Wars Godzilla was imprisoned in the Arctic in 1964, slept for 40 years, and was awakened in 2004.  Junior was born in 1994, and was ressurected as a fully grown Godzilla in 1996.  The end.

However, the original script did feature Junior at the 50 meter scale, but the continuity with the Heisei series was dropped before filming, as was the size, as the new Godzilla's height was increased to 100 meters to keep miniature costs down.

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