Thoughts on a "Phase 2" for Monsterverse?

HazelWave

With Toho planning to start their own series of Godzilla films in 2021, and the future of Legendary's Monsterverse widely uncertain after GvK I gotta ask; Do you think there will be a second set of films? What would you want out of them?

Skubyrustis

I see more films coming out if KOTM at least breaks even and GvK does really well.

I want to see characters like Gigan, Biollante, and any of the mecha-kaiju brought into the monsterverse.

I would also like it to remain like a cinematic universe, like have solo gigan, biollante, rodan, and mothra films and stuff like that, and then throw them back into the mix with Godzilla later.

I would also love to see this "Hollow Earth" they keep talking about really explored.

As cool as all this would be, i doubt it'll happen.

Mr. Movie

I think they will make some more solo movies introducing some new character like death gidora and also Mechagodzilla because in King Of Monsters they introduced the topic of monsters coming from alien planets. Although it is a little hard now to make a completely solo film because of all of the new monsters I think they might do a Mothra film and also a Gigan film. Those are both major character that I will love to see.

Gmkgoji

I would love a Rodan solo film

The Realist

Sadly, I think its over after GvK. For whatever reason these giant kaiju movies just don't resonate with the US audience. International #s are obviously important, but without a super successful US draw, I think its over. None of us want to see dramatic budget cuts and half baked movies moving forward.

IMO we have been lucky enough to get 3 really good movies with a 4th hopefully on the way. I will cherish this 4 film monterverse gift that we have been given and not expect more.

Godzillatheking123

Well, Dark Phoenix is absolutely trashed by the critics. Now I have no idea whether the movie is good or not (haven't seen it yet). But since a lot of moviegoers are sheeps that obeys the command of RT, maybe they'll stay away and watch Godzilla instead. Ha, maybe this might unintentionally help Godzilla's box office with longer legs. Or maybe I'm too optimistic....

YeOldFossil

I want just one more movie after GvK, Destroy all monsters. The Ghidorah head can be used to make a mutated biollante type titan and it will hunt down the titans. Godzilla can’t defeat it alone because it has his dna in it to and is resistance to all his attacks. So all the monster are going to have to jump it (including Kong). It will be the last movie because the franchise is obviously not making a lot of money in the US so just end it in a bang over here and show the critics that we don’t give a **** about what they think.

Darkslayer

^ I like that idea (first post!).

KaijuBuildz

Honestly, I would love to see a Rodan or Mothra stand-alone movie especially with KOTM showing how awesome Mothra can be handled in the right hands. I think KOTM had some interesting ideas which could definitely be expanded upon if given the chance.

Off course, Godzilla 3 and Kong 2 would be inevitable. I would be more interested in what direction they would go. Will they bring back older kaiju or make new ones and will we some familiar human faces return.

macumbalove

Thoughts on a phase 2? lol it won't happen, Those are my thoughts. Toho never confirmed they are making more G films in 2021; I have no idea were this came from. They just made a big investment in Hollywood so I think they are on hiatus for now. Godzilla is in a bad state right now; G'14 and kotm were utter disasters, and the animated trilogy and shin godzilla were utter abominations. Godzilla's done for a while after 2020.

G. H. (Gman)

ma***balove,
Toho Plans Godzilla Cinematic Universe After 2020, No Shin Godzilla 2

Also, regardless of your opinion of Shin Godzilla, it made Toho a great deal of money and accolades. As I said elsewhere:

"It was the #1 highest grossing live action Japanese film in three years - The #2 2016 release in Japan and #3 overall. (Your Name. and The Force Awakens [spilling over from 2015] beat it out.) It is the 5th most attended Godzilla film in Japanese history. It won and was nominated for over 20 awards across 7 film awards ceremonies and festivals, won the Japanese Academy Award for Best Picture, has two 4D attractions at Universal Studios, a VR game, 3-4 mobile games, a statue that's replaced the Heisei Godzilla statue and a partridge in a pear tree. Toho is STILL making money off that movie today."

With KotM projected to make Toho more money than Godzilla '14 and Shin Godzilla's massive success, the brand's viability is the strongest it's been in Japan since the early 1990s. It's certainly stronger than it was in the 2000s. Toho knows they can make money off of Godzilla again, because they have been. And they're not about to stop after 2020.

macumbalove

I'm not talking about Shin's financial success or g'14's; I'm aware they made a lot of money. They both suck. The animated trilogy was one of the worst things I have ever seen with Godzilla's name on it.

G. H. (Gman)

You're opinion about whether or not they suck still does not support the comment, "Godzilla's done for awhile after 2020."

macumbalove

kotm is bombing; It'll probably be pulled from theaters soon. Seeing as how it was announced today that WB will not be at SDCC this year, GvsK might go right to Netflix. if you think people don't care about Godzilla now, They really won't care about him a year from now.

G. H. (Gman)

By that logic Wonder Woman 1984 might go to Netflix. WB is pulling out of SDCC because the con's viability has been waning over the last several years and more studios are resorting to their own events to announce movie slates and show of trailers. Additionally it did not confirm whether Legendary would be there.

While Godzilla isn't interesting the domestic or international audience, Japan has confirmed that they are interested in Godzilla again. If Toho can make money domestically, then they will continue making movies. And it's already been proven the Japanese audience is shelling out money for Godzilla again thanks to Shin Godzilla's monstrous success and KotM pulling similar numbers at opening.

macumbalove

No way WW will go to Netflix; That brand actually interests audiences. I don't know what it will take to convince people Godzilla is an utter failure outside of Japan; This the third try the US had and they still screwed it up. Not as much as '98, But they still failed. Come to think of it, A few Heisei movies bombed and a lot of the millenium series bombed too.

Godzillatheking123

ma***balove: Did Godzilla call your mom names or something? What are you doing on a Godzilla forum anyway apart from being a troll? How about this, if WB and Legendary releases G vs K as planned in theaters, you will admit you were wrong about Netflix. How about that?

G. H. (Gman): I won't go so far as to say Godzilla is not appealing to the international audience. It is making decent box office. Not so great as the previous monsterverse movies perhaps, but there is interest in the property. 

G. H. (Gman)

Godzillatheking123,
There's just not a lot of interest. The genre is simply niche. I think Toho taking the reins again would be healthy for its continuation and the fanbase--And it seems to be heading that direction since Japan is, surprisingly, the country most on fire about Godzilla right now.

Godzillatheking123

Godzillatheking123: I agree the interest in the big G might be more limited than say Marvel or Star War movies. But if it was really super niche, I think the international box office take would be very low, like below $100 million for the first week. 

As for Toho taking the reins back, sure, ony issue is that the experience of watching the big G on the big screen everywhere will be missed. There is something about watching Godzilla in cinema that can't be replicated with a home tv.

G. H. (Gman)

I agree with that, but given that Toho pushed Shin Godzilla for an international theatrical release, I think it's very possible we'd see more exports like that. I'm fine with limited releases and was still able to see Shin Godzilla four times in theaters.

Godzillatheking123

G. H. (Gman): You are fortunate, I don't live in a place with a lot of limited theatrical release. :(

Godzilla fan#1

Me neither but I am close to a couple theaters

Skubyrustis

Dark Phoenix was trashed by critics, and so was The Secret Life of Pets 2, and those movies were the biggest competition KOTM had heading into the weekend. This might give the film legs, and help it make more this weekend than it would have (since it is clear RT scores matter to the general audience).

This film made less than any other Monsterverse movie so far because WB decided to release it in a very packed time (I have no idea why, it was stupid of them). This movie had major competition from movies like Aladdin, Rocket Man, Ma, and John Wick 3 in it's opening. And this weekend it is being put against Dark Phoenix and The Secret Life Of Pets 2. I believe if this film was put up against smaller films, or released earier in the year, it would have done a significant number higher at the Box Office than it did.

I read an article that stated Legendary and WB were not sweating after the low-ish opening of KOTM, because the international numbers are what's really important, (especially China, which is started to have a larger market for movies than the U.S.) and it has still not even been a week yet the film has already made its budget back.

Godzilla vs Kong is sure to bring many newcomers in, and its release around no other big movies yet, and the name GvK, is all setting it up to be the biggest film in the Monsterverse.

I believe it is still surely possible for there to be more movies after GvK in the Monsterverse.

and, like G. H. Gman said, TOHO just invested in an L.A. studio, so they are either going to be co-producing with Legendary, or they are trying to get into more markets to show there films to a larger audience.

Godzilla fan#1

But yeah it seems like after shin Gojira he started to take over but I think their could be a Godzilla movie after Godzilla vs kong in maybe 2 or 3 years or just no.

The Realist

Is it possible for Toho and Legendary to cooperate without WB being involved? If Toho is in LA, I see this as a very viable possibility. Similar to how Paramount was cut out of the MCU.

Skubyrustis

The Realist

I could surely see that happening! it would be good for the franchise I think.

G. H. (Gman)

Just a reminder, Toho's investments in LA don't just include Godzilla, but other properties. Your name. is getting a live action, Hollywood remake. Toho also holds all distribution rights for Pokemon films. (Similar to how Fox holds distribution rights for Dragon Ball films.) The list goes on.