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Dman1954 Rebuttal: Why having a “bad guy” among the two monsters wouldn’t work

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BaragonMember458 XPJul-08-2019 7:41 AM

Warning: This is not meant to insult or put down Dman. I’m actually subscribed to him and his news and updates are fun to listen to. This is just me expressing my disagreement with him on a topic he made recently.

Recently Dman has been analyzing the chances of either of the main monsters in GvK becoming the “bad guy” or antagonist of some sort. Now his Kong video was  logical and made sense. Kong has always been a sympathetic character, and being more humanoid than Godzilla he’s more relatable. The film would suck absolute gonads if he was the “bad guy”. This thread mostly covers why I don’t want Godzilla to become a “bad guy” either, despite Dman’s wishes.

1. Defeats the purpose of KOTM.

Now everyone who sees this will probably go to the “good thing he’s one our side” “For now” scene. I really think this is just sequel bait. They did something really similar at the end Gamera: Attack of Legion. While at the start of GIII: Revenge of Iris, Gamera seemed to be becoming less friendly with humanity, being extremely careless in the destruction he causes from fighting the Hyper Gyaos, he still turned out to be on our side by the end of the film. Now I’m open to the idea of something like that in GvsK with Godzilla, but I really don’t want him to actually become hostile towards humanity. It renders the coexistence aspect in KOTM meaningless. The entire point of the film was for humanity to officially become allies with Godzilla. Serizawa’s sacrifice would be in vain and the military teaming up with Godzilla in Boston completely pointless.

2. Fights between Monsters in the Monsterverse have never been about humanity, at least not fully.

Dman wants Godzilla to do something to humans that makes Kong mad and that’s what their fight will be about. This would be kind of a jarring switch from what we’ve seen in the Monsterverse so far. Yes, Godzilla and Kong might partially fight other monsters to protect humans, but they are mainly concerned with all life in their respective territories, Godzilla’s being the Earth and Kong’s being Skull Island. And they don’t care if they squash a few of us if we’re in their way. It has always mainly been about territory, the environment, and/or dominance. Honestly I think a similar reason for their fight would make more sense in the context of the Monsterverse.

3. It’s been done before

Most of us don’t want a rehash of King Kong vs Godzilla even though it was a good film. This is my main reason for not wanting a “bad guy” between the two monsters. I want something new. Godzilla has already been the “bad guy” in their first film together. I get wanting to respect the original, but that doesn’t  mean the new one has to be a copy paste of it.

So those are my reasons why I don’t want either Kong or Godzilla to be a villain.

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BaragonMember159 XPJul-08-2019 9:38 AM

Godzilla could be the villain, the villain to Kong that is. On YouTube, I go by Dog in a baby seat. I posted a good idea on how they could make Godzilla being an antagonist work without making him angry at humanity. If no one wants to look for it, I understand. In short, Godzilla realizes there are titans on skull island that don’t fully submit to his rule. He comes to conquer it and make them all bow because he is on a power trip of sorts after killing Ghidorah. Kong, the king and alpha of the island, stands his ground and fights to keep his territory. Godzilla is not the villain per say but clearly wants to start trouble. I also posted how they could make Kong a sympathetic antagonist. Kong is forcibly removed from the island so he escapes and is causing destruction trying to find his way home, or the skull crawlers escape the island after the call and Kong leaves to hunt them down destroying a couple cities where the crawlers are setting up base.

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BaragonMember458 XPJul-08-2019 10:02 AM

Could you send a link to your channel? I can’t find it.

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BaragonMember159 XPJul-08-2019 10:55 AM

It’s not a really a channel. I don’t post any videos, only comments. But here you go anyway https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCRZriJUfZRi0ruPE9GsVpMg


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BaragonMember458 XPJul-08-2019 11:01 AM

Well thanks for the thought lol.

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BaragonMember159 XPJul-08-2019 11:54 AM

Yeah, if I made a video it would be a mess anyway. Sorry about that. My first comment was pretty much the quick summary of those post anyway. While it’s mot as polished as the original, it’s all there and clear I think. They both seem pretty plausible cases for how both can be the “villains” of the movie. I also don’t want to see both Kong and Godzilla become antagonistic to humanity all for the sake of a fight. I want it to be reasonable and fit the monstersverse. These ideas do that pretty well I think. Might not happen in the movie, but if either does I’m buying a lottery ticket lol!

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BaragonMember458 XPJul-08-2019 1:42 PM

I could definitely see either of your reasons for the fight.*chin stroke.

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TitanosaurusMember729 XPJul-08-2019 3:12 PM

I definitely think these 2 won't be actively malicious against Humanity.

However, a stronger case for Godzilla can be made with regards to antagonistic role. He's a "larger picture" kind of Alpha, and thus doesn't pay as much mind to the smaller and more intimate things.

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BaragonMember458 XPJul-08-2019 3:16 PM

TheGman123: Agreed.

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BaragonMember159 XPJul-08-2019 3:39 PM

Shameless promotion!!! I actually have two topics I made on this site. One is about the role of Kong and skull island in the monsterverse. It’s really interesting if I say so myself. Another is about what kaiju do people want from the old Godzilla and Kong cartoons in the monstersverse and how you would alter them to fit in better. They didn’t get much attention when I posted them before so show some love! Just upvote them if you want, I want to raise my rep on this site.


BaragonMember125 XPJul-13-2019 3:06 PM

Having Godzilla or Kong be a villain is a really dumb idea.

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