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I don’t understand the hate for the way the Hollow Earth was portrayed in GVK.

I don’t understand the hate for the way the Hollow Earth was portrayed in GVK.

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Gojirafan2013

BaragonMember319 XPOct-10-2022 6:42 PMTeam Godzilla

I thought Wingard did a great job at making the Hollow Earth a literal world within our world rather than keeping it a series of interconnected tunnels. It opens the door for some amazing worldbuilding and exploration in future movies. I just find the idea of a primordial world with prehistoric creatures hidden beneath our feet to be fascinating, hence the reason I fell in love with King Kong.

I know some fans have complained about Wingard retconning the nature of the Hollow Earth, but I don’t see it as a retcon. In KOTM, we learn that the Hollow Earth is a series of interconnected tunnels beneath the Earth’s crust. Just because it's different than what was previously set up to be doesn't mean there were any contradictions. Monarch could have been unaware of the real Hollow Earth during KOTM and assumed it was just a series of interconnected tunnels underground.

And for anybody wondering what the Hollow Earth’s light source is, there’s a paragraph on page 82 of the GVK artbook that says this…

“Because gravity goes haywire inside [the] Hollow Earth’s inverted shell, one of the only navigational constants is the pulsating storm overhead that provides the realm’s only source of light. This pseudo-sun shines on misted rainforests and pinnacles of blackened granite, as the landscape cuticles upward in every direction. Sulfur volcanoes in Indonesia helped inspire the look of the lightning-lashed central storm. ‘They give off this strange, ebbing purple glow, and we looked to that as a light source,’ says Hammock.”

I’ve also seen questions regarding the presence of radiation in the Hollow Earth. My take on the matter is that there are some sections of the Hollow Earth that are more radioactive than others, Godzilla’s temple from KOTM being one of them.

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36 Responses to I don’t understand the hate for the way the Hollow Earth was portrayed in GVK.

Xenotaris

GiganMember3859 XPOct-10-2022 9:33 PMTeam Mothra

The Hollow Earth presented in GvK was pretty much how I imagined it with some slight differences

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HinikunaGoji

BaragonMember217 XPOct-10-2022 10:20 PMTeam Ghidorah

I just liked the idea of it, but like seeing it just took the magic away. 

I mean I used to like MV but i think my interest in it died during covid

Xenotaris

GiganMember3859 XPOct-11-2022 12:07 AMTeam Mothra

Oh really?

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SasquaDash

AnguirusMember1232 XPOct-11-2022 10:00 AM

I like that they went for a more out-there fantasy version, it sort of has a Journey to the Center of the Earth vibe.

I've heard some people complaining about it not being realistic enough (which is kind of ironic, considering this is a series about building sized monsters), and sure, it may not be realistic, but it's a lot more interesting, especially when you consider how it was built up in the series as being this lost world ruled by monsters. Imagine if they built up the Hollow Earth for two films, only for it to just be a big cavern, that would be pretty disappointing...  

Plus the idea of the Hollow Earth having a "pseudo-sun" is something that's been part of the Hollow Earth mythology in a lot of other stories, with the idea even being referenced in Godzilla vs Megalon.

"Neither beast nor man. Something monstrous."

nindoyong

Mothra LarvaeMember12 XPOct-11-2022 12:17 PM

That's right, it took all the magic, but  the idea is pretty good

HinikunaGoji

BaragonMember217 XPOct-11-2022 1:45 PMTeam Ghidorah

I think maybe the way it was treated in the film affected the reception tbh. The film doesnt take itself serious which is good mostly, but its tonally unfit with the other movies. I mean in KoTM the titans and their mythology actually was treated with gravitas and reverence. But like in GvK the idea of hollow earth was basically, Get the energy!

Visually it was stunning up but it was underutilized and was not really climactic at all.

Honestly i prefer a lot of the leaks for GvK to the movie itself.

HinikunaGoji

BaragonMember217 XPOct-11-2022 1:48 PMTeam Ghidorah

Specifically this "leak" was interesting to me. 
This one has stakes.

https://www.godzilla-movies.com/topic/48685

sonictiger

GiganMember2069 XPOct-11-2022 4:46 PMTeam Godzilla

Honestly, the problem was its underusage.  I could honestly give zero cares about the retcons.  They actively dragged the buildup, when they should've focused on the journey itself.  Also, shortening the buildup could've given the Godzilla defenders more screentime.

"Look at us.  We are not heroes."

Xenotaris

GiganMember3859 XPOct-11-2022 9:13 PMTeam Mothra

yeah alot of concepts were rushed in this movie. I feel that every modern movie is now a mix-mash of various sequel ideas forced into a single movie

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sonictiger

GiganMember2069 XPOct-12-2022 2:36 PMTeam Godzilla

Alternate Titles to sum up the rushed concepts in this movie:

Godzilla Vs. Kong: 90% of This Movie Is Kong

The USA Wastes Godzilla Again

Kong's Bad Day (This one was originally created by Gman)

MechaGodzilla Vs. The World (Because all the Hollow Earth stuff was rushed and was forced into the Mecha G plot)

That One Time Some Humans Decided To Destroy A Super-Kaiju Robot With A Beverage (This speaks for itself)

Every Modern Movie That Has A Mix-Mash of Various Sequel Ideas For No Reason: Part Infinity (But it's got kaiju, soo...)

Wasting Excellent Actors: Lizard Vs. Monke Edition

The Movie That Was Miraculously Not Cancelled By Warner Bros. (See what I did there?)

"Look at us.  We are not heroes."

sonictiger

GiganMember2069 XPOct-12-2022 2:38 PMTeam Godzilla

Obviously, this looks like I've turned against this movie.

But no, I still think it's a very fun and entertaining experience.

"Look at us.  We are not heroes."

G. H. (Gman)

GiganAdmin4774 XPOct-12-2022 10:18 PMTeam Ghidorah

sonictiger,
Those are pretty accurate.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

sonictiger

GiganMember2069 XPOct-13-2022 10:15 AMTeam Godzilla

G. H. (Gman), thank you!

And everyone, remember this: GVK is far from the worst thing WB has done.

"Look at us.  We are not heroes."

Xenotaris

GiganMember3859 XPOct-13-2022 1:28 PMTeam Mothra

I feel movies should tackle one or two major plot point at a time, Godzilla 2014 is the best Monsterverse movie so far because it wasn't stuffed to the gills with plot over plot like King of the Monsters and Godzilla vs Kong

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sonictiger

GiganMember2069 XPOct-13-2022 3:28 PMTeam Godzilla

Eh, Kong: Skull Island was definitely a lot more streamlined than Godzilla 2014.  I still find G'14 to be my least favorite anyway.  Or maybe my totally evident Stockholm Syndrome of Millie Bobby Brown is blinding a couple of issues with King of The Monsters.  I think I may need to rewatch the MonsterVerse during my ultimate Kaiju watch-a-thon that may or may not be coming soon.

 

Xenotaris, to truly answer your question...the reason why movies get to be so long now is because of too many plot points.  So maybe we just need longer runtimes?

"Look at us.  We are not heroes."

Xenotaris

GiganMember3859 XPOct-13-2022 3:32 PMTeam Mothra

sorry I forgot to include Kong Skull Island with Godzilla 2014

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HinikunaGoji

BaragonMember217 XPOct-13-2022 5:58 PMTeam Ghidorah

This quickly turned into a MV hate train... to which I contributed, but i feel the point of not understanding the hate behind hollow earth is valid. Its up to opinion and GojiraFan2013 is preety right to ask why. For many GvK was a very fulfilling film that lived up to the hype and maybe the tone i would have liked is not the same tone they would have liked. 

now some positive things said could be Great

 

Xenotaris

GiganMember3859 XPOct-13-2022 9:05 PMTeam Mothra

HinikunaGoji

I don't hate the MonsterVerse, I wish it well but it is falling into some pitfalls that plague most long running franchises. It feels like a lot of modern movies are trying to be MCU movies, we see this MCU influence in Jurassic World's sequels and even the MonsterVerse itself

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HinikunaGoji

BaragonMember217 XPOct-13-2022 10:03 PMTeam Ghidorah

I dont think the MCU overall is a pitfall or its influence is a bad thing

Xenotaris

GiganMember3859 XPOct-14-2022 12:46 AMTeam Mothra

I just don't care for the super hero human that now inhabit every movie regardless if its a super hero or not. I miss when the human protagonists in the Jurassic Park movies were very vulnerable and helpless in the face of a dinosaur or when Godzilla was neither a good guy nor a bad guy, he was like a storm, an indiscriminating beast of destruction that only saves the world from a greater threat when it invades his territory.

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HinikunaGoji

BaragonMember217 XPOct-14-2022 7:14 AMTeam Ghidorah

MV does not have superhuman protags? 

And it could be argued godzilla was a good guy before a neutral force.

I dont think theres some quality being lost in all films now.

Xenotaris

GiganMember3859 XPOct-14-2022 10:59 AMTeam Mothra

"MV does not have superhuman protags? "
Well not in the monsterverse but in I've seen this crop up in Jurassic World's sequel movies, looking at you Fallen Kingdom and Dominion

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sonictiger

GiganMember2069 XPOct-14-2022 11:06 AMTeam Godzilla

HinikunaGoji and Xenotaris, I don't hate the MonsterVerse.  I think Godzilla Vs. Kong gave me what I wanted to see.  I got to see these oversized animals duke it out three times.  The movie was loads of fun.  But there are a lot of problems too.  And I agree that we're starting to get into modern movie pitfalls, those being:

1. New characters are being shoved in for no rhyme or reason and stifling development of existing characters

2. Constant contradictions and poor logic 

3. Style over substance (even though when it comes to GVK that was the better option actually)

 

Any thoughts?

"Look at us.  We are not heroes."

Xenotaris

GiganMember3859 XPOct-14-2022 11:41 AMTeam Mothra

1. the introduction of new characters can make or break a sequel especially if they are thrown in and were supposed to know who they are

2. Ummm can you elaborate on this one

3. I'm sorry I don't understand what Style over substance really means in this context, so I need more detail I'm kind of a dummy when it come to these things

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HinikunaGoji

BaragonMember217 XPOct-14-2022 11:42 AMTeam Ghidorah

Xenotaris

Im really confused what that means about FK and D

HinikunaGoji

BaragonMember217 XPOct-14-2022 11:45 AMTeam Ghidorah

Honestly out of the bunch Kotm is by far my favorite. I love 14' to death but i think the attempt and potiential of Kotm was awesome. imo the first 3 films are pretty solid.

Gvk just like

If i want to watch the movie ill watch the fights on youtube

Xenotaris

GiganMember3859 XPOct-14-2022 11:49 AMTeam Mothra

HinikunaGoji

Human protagonists surviving being inside a volcanic ash cloud, I like Chris Pratt and his character Owen but realistically he should have fried when the ash cloud got him

With Dominion I didn't like the over emphasis on human villians in that movie

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HinikunaGoji

BaragonMember217 XPOct-14-2022 12:00 PMTeam Ghidorah

Thats like typical movie stuff though

sonictiger

GiganMember2069 XPOct-14-2022 3:40 PMTeam Godzilla

Except it's poorly handled, HinikunaGoji.  Human villains are a tricky concept in the particular context of giant...well...things being the main focus of movies.

Xenotaris, I feel like Godzilla 2014 and Skull Island had better logic and didn't retcon previous scenes unlike KOTM and GVK.  Also, style over substance is basically VFX and big set pieces being prioritized over important things like characters and story.

 

As for your thing about human villains, no franchise does it worse than the five Michael Bay Transformers movies.  And what's funny is that in the fourth one the worst written human villain is killed by a character whose characterization got already butchered several times throughout the franchise.

"Look at us.  We are not heroes."

Xenotaris

GiganMember3859 XPOct-14-2022 8:26 PMTeam Mothra

yeah I'm tired of seeing human villains over shadowing the monster antagonists.

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