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I don’t understand the hate for the way the Hollow Earth was portrayed in GVK.

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I thought Wingard did a great job at making the Hollow Earth a literal world within our world rather than keeping it a series of interconnected tunnels. It opens the door for some amazing worldbuilding and exploration in future movies. I just find the idea of a primordial world with prehistoric creatures hidden beneath our feet to be fascinating, hence the reason I fell in love with King Kong.

I know some fans have complained about Wingard retconning the nature of the Hollow Earth, but I don’t see it as a retcon. In KOTM, we learn that the Hollow Earth is a series of interconnected tunnels beneath the Earth’s crust. Just because it's different than what was previously set up to be doesn't mean there were any contradictions. Monarch could have been unaware of the real Hollow Earth during KOTM and assumed it was just a series of interconnected tunnels underground.

And for anybody wondering what the Hollow Earth’s light source is, there’s a paragraph on page 82 of the GVK artbook that says this…

“Because gravity goes haywire inside [the] Hollow Earth’s inverted shell, one of the only navigational constants is the pulsating storm overhead that provides the realm’s only source of light. This pseudo-sun shines on misted rainforests and pinnacles of blackened granite, as the landscape cuticles upward in every direction. Sulfur volcanoes in Indonesia helped inspire the look of the lightning-lashed central storm. ‘They give off this strange, ebbing purple glow, and we looked to that as a light source,’ says Hammock.”

I’ve also seen questions regarding the presence of radiation in the Hollow Earth. My take on the matter is that there are some sections of the Hollow Earth that are more radioactive than others, Godzilla’s temple from KOTM being one of them.

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The Hollow Earth presented in GvK was pretty much how I imagined it with some slight differences

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I just liked the idea of it, but like seeing it just took the magic away. 

I mean I used to like MV but i think my interest in it died during covid

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Oh really?

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I like that they went for a more out-there fantasy version, it sort of has a Journey to the Center of the Earth vibe.

I've heard some people complaining about it not being realistic enough (which is kind of ironic, considering this is a series about building sized monsters), and sure, it may not be realistic, but it's a lot more interesting, especially when you consider how it was built up in the series as being this lost world ruled by monsters. Imagine if they built up the Hollow Earth for two films, only for it to just be a big cavern, that would be pretty disappointing...  

Plus the idea of the Hollow Earth having a "pseudo-sun" is something that's been part of the Hollow Earth mythology in a lot of other stories, with the idea even being referenced in Godzilla vs Megalon.

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That's right, it took all the magic, but  the idea is pretty good

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I think maybe the way it was treated in the film affected the reception tbh. The film doesnt take itself serious which is good mostly, but its tonally unfit with the other movies. I mean in KoTM the titans and their mythology actually was treated with gravitas and reverence. But like in GvK the idea of hollow earth was basically, Get the energy!

Visually it was stunning up but it was underutilized and was not really climactic at all.

Honestly i prefer a lot of the leaks for GvK to the movie itself.

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Specifically this "leak" was interesting to me. 
This one has stakes.

https://www.godzilla-movies.com/topic/48685

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Honestly, the problem was its underusage.  I could honestly give zero cares about the retcons.  They actively dragged the buildup, when they should've focused on the journey itself.  Also, shortening the buildup could've given the Godzilla defenders more screentime.

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yeah alot of concepts were rushed in this movie. I feel that every modern movie is now a mix-mash of various sequel ideas forced into a single movie

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Alternate Titles to sum up the rushed concepts in this movie:

Godzilla Vs. Kong: 90% of This Movie Is Kong

The USA Wastes Godzilla Again

Kong's Bad Day (This one was originally created by Gman)

MechaGodzilla Vs. The World (Because all the Hollow Earth stuff was rushed and was forced into the Mecha G plot)

That One Time Some Humans Decided To Destroy A Super-Kaiju Robot With A Beverage (This speaks for itself)

Every Modern Movie That Has A Mix-Mash of Various Sequel Ideas For No Reason: Part Infinity (But it's got kaiju, soo...)

Wasting Excellent Actors: Lizard Vs. Monke Edition

The Movie That Was Miraculously Not Cancelled By Warner Bros. (See what I did there?)

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Obviously, this looks like I've turned against this movie.

But no, I still think it's a very fun and entertaining experience.

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sonictiger,
Those are pretty accurate.

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G. H. (Gman), thank you!

And everyone, remember this: GVK is far from the worst thing WB has done.

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I feel movies should tackle one or two major plot point at a time, Godzilla 2014 is the best Monsterverse movie so far because it wasn't stuffed to the gills with plot over plot like King of the Monsters and Godzilla vs Kong

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Eh, Kong: Skull Island was definitely a lot more streamlined than Godzilla 2014.  I still find G'14 to be my least favorite anyway.  Or maybe my totally evident Stockholm Syndrome of Millie Bobby Brown is blinding a couple of issues with King of The Monsters.  I think I may need to rewatch the MonsterVerse during my ultimate Kaiju watch-a-thon that may or may not be coming soon.

 

Xenotaris, to truly answer your question...the reason why movies get to be so long now is because of too many plot points.  So maybe we just need longer runtimes?

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sorry I forgot to include Kong Skull Island with Godzilla 2014

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This quickly turned into a MV hate train... to which I contributed, but i feel the point of not understanding the hate behind hollow earth is valid. Its up to opinion and GojiraFan2013 is preety right to ask why. For many GvK was a very fulfilling film that lived up to the hype and maybe the tone i would have liked is not the same tone they would have liked. 

now some positive things said could be Great

 

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HinikunaGoji

I don't hate the MonsterVerse, I wish it well but it is falling into some pitfalls that plague most long running franchises. It feels like a lot of modern movies are trying to be MCU movies, we see this MCU influence in Jurassic World's sequels and even the MonsterVerse itself

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I dont think the MCU overall is a pitfall or its influence is a bad thing

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I just don't care for the super hero human that now inhabit every movie regardless if its a super hero or not. I miss when the human protagonists in the Jurassic Park movies were very vulnerable and helpless in the face of a dinosaur or when Godzilla was neither a good guy nor a bad guy, he was like a storm, an indiscriminating beast of destruction that only saves the world from a greater threat when it invades his territory.

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