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I watched the old 1963 godzilla vs kong, and I have a few thing I want to talk about with the newer film

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gojiman

MemberBaragonNov-07-2022 8:40 AM

I just wanted to start off with: The Godzilla vs Kong movie, In my opinion was EPIC, though they really didn’t declare a winner, unlike the 1962-63 version where toho declared that Kong was the true winner of the battle, They don’t do that in the new ones, SO I really want them to at LEAST put a little hint at who would win, second: The plot I have no opinion, and I'm not trying to come out as a snobby guy, but the plots that they made for the old one just don’t make sense to me, 

 

At least they had a good plot for the old one, but the new one really doesn’t make sense in that they make KONG the main character of the story, and Godzilla seems to only be a recurring side character, whereas the old one has both of them as the main characters, also I have a hunch that there going to do the same with the new movie. Also the ax is what really bugs me, so there's an ax that kong finds in a place for monkeys. 

 

Also, Mechagodzilla being introduced is great and all, But he is mainly A GODZILLA type enemy, and the fact that they seem to make him mainly focus on kong. Which just isn’t right to me. And the last thing is the NEW one coming out. I really hope that they Make Godzilla appear throughout the movie more than what they did in the 2021 one. Also I really hope that they make a better plot than they did in the 2021 version.

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Xenotaris

MemberGiganNov-07-2022 8:57 AM

Overall King Kong vs Godzilla was a better movie than Godzilla vs Kong. But that's not to say GvK wasn't entertaining as far as the kaiju battles went however the human side of things was kind of.... meh. Though I applaud GvK for returning Mechagodzilla back to his evil roots.

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gojiman

MemberBaragonNov-07-2022 9:40 AM

Ya thats true, but I think that they could have made him more focused on Godzilla, but I see your point

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HinikunaGoji

MemberBaragonNov-07-2022 10:22 AM

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SasquaDash

MemberAnguirusNov-07-2022 10:49 AM

To answer some of these questions.

It’s pretty clear that Godzilla won the fight. Even though he didn’t kill Kong (although Kong did come close to dying), Godzilla beat Kong down and asserted his dominance over him (which is what mostly happens with animals in nature). At the end of the movie, Kong drops his axe when confronted with Godzilla, showing that he submits and doesn’t want to fight again (during the confrontation, Godzilla also motions towards the axe, as a way of telling Kong to “drop it”, which indicates that Godzilla has no desire to continue the fight either). 

It makes sense to focus on Kong as the main character as he is more human-like, which inherently makes him more relatable and gives him more personality than Godzilla, especially given Toho’s recent trend of wanting to portray Godzilla with little to no personality/motivation (apparently Legendary really had to push for Godzilla's expressive scenes in GvK). Kong is also much more sympathetic as he's portrayed as the underdog in the fight and continuously goes through hell during the events of the movie, when all he really wants is to have a peaceful life and a new home. The film also emphasizes that because he’s presumably the last of his kind, he’s extremely lonely and wants to be part of a family (which is why he's so caring towards Jia and why he immediately enters the Hollow Earth at the possibility of finding others of his kind there). Because of this, it’s easier to root for Kong in this story, rather than Godzilla. While the film focuses more on Kong as the main character, it doesn’t diminish Godzilla’s role in the film, he still plays a huge part in the story.

The axe was made by the ancient Kongs that lived in the Hollow Earth, using the skeletal remains of other Titans (specifically the Gojira species). It may initially seem odd that a species of giant apes would create axes, however real life species of great apes have been observed using tools, with accounts of chimpanzees and bonobos crafting makeshift spears and using very primitive stone tools and sometimes bones (similar to early human ancestors). So it's not too much of a stretch that a more advanced fictional species of giant ape would create complex tools to help in their daily lives. Plus building weapons would help to give the Kongs an advantage over other Titans, since they lack energy attacks (like Godzilla’s atomic breath) or other supernatural abilities.

As far as Mechagodzilla's plotline goes, there's no indication that it's focused on Kong aside from APEX wanting to use him to guide them to the Hollow Earth energy source. Most of the focus is directed towards Godzilla, with APEX specifically modeling their creation after him so that they can rival his power. APEX feels threatened by the Titans’ existence and they desire to be stronger than them so that humanity can remain the dominant life forms on the planet (which is why they're called "APEX" in the first place), and given that Godzilla is the "Alpha Titan'' and therefore, the dominant life form on Earth, they want to overthrow him in order to claim that title. When Mechagodzilla is later possessed by the consciousness of King Ghidorah, he immediately goes for Godzilla, coming close to killing him until Kong intervenes. Even during the main fight, Mechagodzilla is more focused on Godzilla, aiming most of his attacks at him, while Kong is viewed more as an annoyance that Mechagodzilla initially tries to shake off. It isn’t until Kong starts doing a lot of damage that Mechagodzilla finally turns his attention towards him and actually tries to kill him. 

Lastly, Godzilla being the main focus of a film doesn’t necessarily mean that he’ll have more screen time. Both Godzilla (1954) and Shin Godzilla have him as the sole focus, yet he still has minimal screen time in those films, with a lot of moments where he is either absent or inactive, and the Polygon anime trilogy barely used him despite the fact that he was supposedly the main focus. Godzilla’s screen time in the next Toho film will mostly depend on how they want to use him, so it's possible that he might have more screen time, but it's also possible that he won't (and given how Toho has been portraying him in their recent projects, it's very possible that it might be the latter).

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AdminGodzillaNov-07-2022 11:27 AM

The original 1962 film is one of the franchise's best. A wonderful time capsule for problematic Japanese media issues and the country's difficult transition into capitalism. I find myself going back to it more and more as I get older.

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gojiman

MemberBaragonNov-08-2022 7:52 AM

How old are ya'll, you make REALLY good critics

 

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AdminGodzillaNov-08-2022 8:58 AM
"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

sonictiger

MemberGiganNov-08-2022 9:50 AM

Also, the iconic tree moment.  Genius.

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Xenotaris

MemberGiganNov-08-2022 11:28 AM

I'm as old as Godzilla vs Biollante

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sonictiger

MemberGiganNov-08-2022 7:44 PM

I'm NOT saying what I'm old as.

 

How's THAT for a ratio?

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MemberMothra LarvaeNov-12-2022 5:40 PM

There's been decades of debate (started by Forry Ackerman) as to who "won" in the 1963 film. In the US, you hear Kong's roar over the closing music. However, in the Japanese version, you also hear Kong's roar...and as the screen goes to black, you hear Godzilla's roar. So in this version, it's a draw. And Godzilla returned the next year for "Godzilla vs The Thing." 

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