Djdndnejwnwn

I was thinking about new themes of Godzilla compared to the new ones. Even though KOTM has one of the best soundtracks I’ve noticed a trend in modern music. They rely heavily on loud percussion  to convey size and power it the song. This trait is clearly Lacking in the original themes, but still is able to convey that power, but how does this do it. 

Well me being a person who enjoys classical music can trace it back to one specific piece. Igor Stravinsky’s Rite Of Spring. This piece was very revolutionary int classical music and shares many similarities to the Goji themes. Essentially it used the entire orchestra as percussion to give the power and having rhythm not melody be the driving force. I believe the Goji themes had this same characteristic. And that’s why they still hold up today.

sonictiger

the KOTM theme is just a masterpiece though....

Mebo

@SarcasticGoji & @sonictiger you have 100% full agreement from me. I was a dj in the house & techno area and I know what it means to evoke emotions with music in people!

if the music is right, whether in a club or in a movie, then you have already won almost half the rent!

Djdndnejwnwn

But it has the problem the addressed in the article. It relies too heavily percussion instruments.

Mebo

Igor Stravinsky's Rite Of Spring is not exactly my thing, but of course you're right about the percussion. in my opinion, however, it's also up to the sound engineer to put it in perspective.

but since we are talking about music, listen to it loudly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhpPKIf8d1o

this is from 1991 and no film music but very cool

Djdndnejwnwn

I have suspicions about this link......

Djdndnejwnwn

It says the video is unavailable.

Mebo

how about this link, same piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMNpQ4V0IHs

artist:

Yello - Sweet Thunder

Djdndnejwnwn

It’s so atmospheric. It just moves from thing to thing without any care of continuity and it does have randI’m discordant themes in the beginning and then melodious then this weird spookyish themes its so... interesting.

Mebo

that's what this piece is all about. in the past i liked to use this in the club for the laser shows. i still get goosebumps from listening to it today!

it's exactly what i miss in a lot of movies today.

Djdndnejwnwn

Rather than just relying on commonly used things, Movie Composers should still try to be artists and experiment.

Xenotaris

I don't know about art but I know what I like as they say

Mebo

I completely agree with you.

Djdndnejwnwn

@Xeno

Art is subjective 

G. H. (Gman)

I always wished I had taken more music appreciation classes to understand some of the movements of music. I will say I was stunned when I recognized a lot of Igor Stravinsky’s "Rite Of Spring". Of course much of it was used in Disney's Fantasia, which is an excellent introduction.

It seems many classical composers take cues from the early 20th century Russian sounds. Even the game Metal Gear Solid had a main theme seemingly lifted from Georgy Sviridov.

SarcasticGoji,
Have you listened to much of Ifukube's material prior to being a film composer?

Djdndnejwnwn

No sadly I have not, I don’t know where to find it.

Djdndnejwnwn

Actually I just remembered one of his works being played at a recital, and I saw it in the video, forgot what it was called tho.

Djdndnejwnwn

Also random thing about Rite of Spring the ending chord spells out the word “DEAD”

Mebo

in conclusion, i can only say that a gojira film in particular should have a classical theme. sometimes a "back to the roots" is simply better.

In my opinion, Tom Holkenborg simply didn't create the musical atmosphere that would have been necessary.

G. H. (Gman)

There's plenty on Youtube. Many of his pieces were the basis of his film works you hear in a lot of Godzilla and tokusatsu films.

This one seems up your ally:
Akira Ifukube - Ritmica Ostinata, for piano and orchestra

Djdndnejwnwn

True

G. H. (Gman)

Mebo,
Agreed. Holkenborg's modern, Hollywood attempt at Godzilla felt cheap at best. I'm not sure if it's the worst Godzilla score I've heard, but it's definitely one of them.

Djdndnejwnwn

I maybe would have liked it if there had been a real orchestra and it had lead to something with more rhythmic contrast and stuff.... oh well

Mebo

here the classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDeU42u2s2Y

i hope you can see it

Mebo

@G. H. (Gman) with an estimated budget of 200 million dollars for a blockbuster, there should be a proper orchestra inside ;-)

G. H. (Gman)

Mebo,
Indeed. Especially if Toho can do it with budgets of $10 million and under. Sometimes way under...

Mebo

G. H. (Gman) absolut true ...

Die-hard Spino Fan

@SarcasticGoji Hans Zimmer experimented and created a absolutely wonderful score in the movie interstellar. (If you have watched the movie you will understand this next part) As soon as they landed on Miller’s planet, the score stared because it was 7 years per hour on that planet. This score has a steady beat starting at 44 bpm and going up to 60bpm which is one beat per second. He did this to portray time moving on like you could actually feel the seconds ticking. They needed to get in and out of miller’s planet fast so that they could save the human race. And each second they spent there the human race moved closer to exticntion. It’s a wonderful technique that made the whole film even better. The score is called Mountains.

sonictiger

Hans Zimmer needs to do a MonsterVerse movie score in the future....

Djdndnejwnwn

That’s interesting. That gave me an idea for the score. Did it have different parts at different BPMs. My idea would have these at the same time to show the passing time.

sonictiger

cool..