If Human Charactes Monsterverse are going to improve, then it wasn’t gonna be in GVK

Djdndnejwnwn

I just wanted to bring this up. People after KOTM hoped GVK would have better human characters. I don’t think this hope was founded at all. First of all, Kotm and GVK were written at very close periods in time, so writers would not have had time to react to criticism. Second, they have the same writers. On top of being at almost the same time KoTM and GvK share the same writers, so they wouldn’t be able to improve until later.

Food for thought.

G. H. (Gman)

This isn't entirely accurate.

Godzilla: King of the Monsters wrapped filming in September of 2017 and was written by Micheal Dougherty and Zach Shields who headed a writer's room of 10 people. The treatment took a year before pre-production, so the screenplay was actually being written in 2016--Perhaps even late 2015.

In 2017, Terry Rossio was leading a writer's room of 8 people to come up with a treatment for Godzilla vs. Kong. Eric Pearson then took that treatment and turned it into a full screenplay. Dougherty and Shields only made minor re-writes late in the game--By which point they were already done with Godzilla: King of the Monsters.

So each movie actually had a lot of different writers involved with very little overlap. And even if there was overlap, Godzilla: King of the Monsters was long since in the can.

Djdndnejwnwn

@Gman

I guess that’s true, but my main point really is that the writers for GVK would not be able to react to KOTM criticisms so to expect a better human story doesn’t seem actually based.

G. H. (Gman)

I don't think any writer has to react to criticisms in order to write decent characters though.

Djdndnejwnwn

But the writers think they’re characters are good tho. They don’t just create bad characters on purpose. Or do they?

G. H. (Gman)

No, but obviously it's more difficult for less talented writers. For example, I don't have a lot of faith in Dougherty's or Shields' writing abilities. And to be fair, Rossio is probably past his prime. But Eric Pearson has a very impressive blockbuster resume, with movies that have excellent character work.

Not to mention, we don't really know what is lost in editing. It's not just a matter of what is cut, but what is re-arranged to create something completely different from the screenplay.

Djdndnejwnwn

That is true. Maybe in the unused footage there’s good characters there.

sonictiger

AND MAYBE SOMEWHERE MADISON RUSSELL ACTUALLY HAD A CHARACTER STORY.

She was wasted so badly...

Mebo

I think the actors in KOTM were okay, but their potential was not properly realized.

except for "irony on" the roles of Dr. Stanton & Dr. Coleman as comedians " irony off".

I found the cuts during the fights & characters to be horrible.

what was done really well with the monsters & music, the easter eggs, was messed up on the plot in my opinion.

Djdndnejwnwn

Many people dislike the character Emma Russell, But I think she was the best written.. I think I have a different approach on how I see the character. To me the “Irony on/off” roles brought the story down. Comedy can be good but it was a bit too much. There were too many characters in the background. I didn’t mind the family that much but the rest of the cast were always present and it was just kind of sloppy to me. 

sonictiger

HECK NO.  Emma Russell was poorly written.  If anything, Ishiro was better written in G'14 and KOTM.

Mebo

if you look at the blue ray, there are 2 scenes taken out as a bonus. i still wonder why they were taken out.

Scene 1: Dr. Russel relives this nightmare in his unconsciousness.
the man is traumatized, that is shown very well here.

Scene 2: Madison going wild on the punching bag.
This is a very good depiction of how the conflict with her mother becomes stronger.

from my point of view these are key scenes.

Die-hard Spino Fan

My favorite character so far in the Monsterverse is Ford from Godzilla 2014.

The Zilla Chronicles

sonictiger

Mebo, I do think Emma was a good factor for Madison's arc.  It was great to see her evolve from a willing accomplice of her crazy Titan awakening [REDACTED] and eventually end up saving the world from Ghidorah by luring him over to Godzilla.

Spino Fan, Ford is so dull.  But you can have your own opinion.

Djdndnejwnwn

@Mebo

Yes I’ve seen those too.

@Sonic

I disagree. People tend to approach Emma like she is Insane. It’s harder to prove your sane than insane. I don’t think she is. Every thing she does in the movie is deliberate because she actually believes in what she is doing. The reason she wants to stop Ghidorah is because she realizes she messed up and her plan isn’t working. Not because she had a change of heart. What really drives her redemption is her inability to cope with her feelings. She is still grieving for Andrew the entire time and even though she believes that what’s she’s doing is right, she starts feeling guilt for hurting so many people. Because of this inability to cope she starts feeling bad and second guessing eventually that’s also why she tries to stop Ghidorah. There aren’t many scenes for her to connect to the audience, admittedly. But there are some.

Djdndnejwnwn

@Sonic

I think Ford was bad acting not dull. Sure his character wasn’t as good as his father, but he didn’t ruin the movie

Mebo

the problem with KOTM is the lack of fluid storytelling. I sometimes had the feeling of hiccups in the cinema.

sonictiger

Lack of fluid storytelling was it's biggest problem....

sonictiger

GVK had a coherent story at least.

Mebo

Unfortunately, I cannot judge GVK yet. You described it very nicely in another post. The film music in KOTM is an absolute masterpiece. i actually had tears in my eyes during some scenes because of the music. a lot of what was good with the music, the monsters, was ruined again with the cuts and the narration. so no wonder about the rating at rotten tomatoes.

Djdndnejwnwn

@Sonic 

GVK has a worse story than KOTM

sonictiger

WHAT? NO IT DIDN'T

Give me some good reasons....

Mebo

sonictiger did you mean me?

Because the release of GVK in Europe has been postponed indefinitely.

sonictiger

Oh yeah, I forgot.

Mebo

that's what you mean by international publication ... if it wasn't so sad i could laugh about it all the way ...

Djdndnejwnwn

@Mebo

Lol. No he was talking to me. das ist traurig zu hören. I think Google translate messed it up.

@Sonic

KOTM has more human scenes than GVk

Both movies have grieving characters but the Skarsgards character lost his brother, but the brother is forgotten after being mentioned twice.

The arcs in KOTm were more developed.

And one more thing. They share a lot of the same problems. The reason GvK is more liked is because there is less of it. Not because it was better writing but because it was cut out.

Unlike KOtm, GVK did not really try to have a human story. It just was there to have fun

Djdndnejwnwn

@Mebo

that was a bizarre glitch, ur writing was in German, does Scified translate the languages.

Djdndnejwnwn

Basically I tried using google translate to say German stuff. And I took very long to write the message. 

Are you typing in German? 

sonictiger

The funner, the better.

Less problems, the better.

Mebo

SarcasticGoji your translation was correct. However, I recommend this one:

https://www.deepl.com/translator

it simply has the better AI. simply enter the text, the rest is done automatically and you have the possibility to correct the individual words in the translation.

Djdndnejwnwn

@Sonic

Yes, but ur point was the story was better not less of it.

@Mebo thanks